The DMV Ownzored Me!

[sperry]

Here's how the appraser evaluated the SVX:

"Is that a 6 cyilinder?" - Yes
"What's the mileage?" - 190,750 miles
*walked around car once, goes inside*
Door opens: "Is that All Wheel Drive?" - Yes
*goes back inside*
20 seconds later
"Here ya go." Slip says the car's worth $4100. :shock:

Me: "Um, this doesn't take into account that the car needs a $2500 transmission, does it?"

Him (already walking off to the next car): "You got a quote for that?"

Me: "Not on me. How does this apprasial process work, anyhow? Do you use some sort of formula?"

Him: "I decide what the car's worth. I walked around it, and it you barely have any dents."

:x

So apparently, this guy has the value of every car at every mileage in his head, and the only thing that reduces that value are dents or repair quotes. :roll: Never mind the fact that the base value is actually determined by a formula in the computer, not by him. And what's with the deal of not even caring about how the car runs? If I purchased smoking heap of an STi that had a blown tranny and motor, then I guess that car's worth $28,000, never mind that it can barely run. Fuck the DMV. Fuck Mr. appraiser that's too full of himself to give me a straight answer about the process w/o lip. You know sir, if you had less of an attitude problem, you wouldn't have to be a dick-hole appraser at the Reno DMV.

So, the short version of the story: because of asshole appraiser I paid $302 in "sales tax" on a $2000 sale... yes that's 15% sales tax. :roll: Now, pile on registration fees for the SVX, plus the renewal for my WRX, and I ended up dropping $625 at the DMV today. :x Maybe with all that money, the state can get around to paying someone to adjust the sprinklers on every street in S. Meadows so they water the lawn and not the road and my car. :roll:

[MattR]

Chicken Fucker

[MikeK]

You know sir, if you had less of an attitude problem, you wouldn't be allowed to be a dick-hole appraser at the Reno DMV.

I fixed it for you.

I hate the DMV. It is my least favourite place in America. When I registered my WRX there for the first time I waited 4 hours. The whole time the place was packed with billions of screaming kids, and when I finally got to see someone about my registration she spent the whole time bitching that she got an 8 minute break instead of 10 minutes that day.

I want to start a business where you can hire people to go to the DMV for you. I would pay big $$ for that service.

[sperry]

The thing that really rubbed me the wrong way was that the guy acted like I was wasting his time.

Nevermind that when I pulled up, there was no one there getting appraised, and I still had to wait 10 minutes for Mr. A-Hole to get off his ass and come look at my car. Then, not a mention of "how does it run, or do you have any quotes for repairs". And of course, the huge attitude in he response when I questioned the procedure.

Just because you have the ability to ruin my day doesn't mean your job, and your life have any meaningful value. You're fourty-something, and you peaked at making me pay an extra $150 by being an asshole at your crappy DMV job. I'll beat you at life.

[MikeK]

How come they don't just go off the blue book value for the car? I thought just about everyone who wanted to know how much a car was worth used that price.

[sperry]

You know sir, if you had less of an attitude problem, you wouldn't be allowed to be a dick-hole appraser at the Reno DMV.

I fixed it for you.

I hate the DMV. It is my least favourite place in America. When I registered my WRX there for the first time I waited 4 hours. The whole time the place was packed with billions of screaming kids, and when I finally got to see someone about my registration she spent the whole time bitching that she got an 8 minute break instead of 10 minutes that day.

I want to start a business where you can hire people to go to the DMV for you. I would pay big $$ for that service.

I was there from 1:30 to 4pm. The woman that helped me at the counter just seemed exasperated. I tried to be nice, and it seemed to help. It was the apprasial Nazi that pissed me off.

By the way: you can't get SECCSVX as a license plate (apparently "sex" and anything that sounds remotely like it is a "bad" word... now I see why people get their panties in a bunch over 10 seconds of nipple during the Super Bowl), and REDSLED is already taken somewhere in NV.

[MattR]

I'll beat you at life.

That's another one of my trademark lines, but you can use it in this application...

"I'll beat you at life...chicken fucker..." :monkey:

[Nick Koan]

F the DMV.

[ScottyS]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

[MattR]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....


[guiness guys] BRILLIANT! [/guiness guys]

[sperry]

How come they don't just go off the blue book value for the car? I thought just about everyone who wanted to know how much a car was worth used that price.

The DMV is somehow more knowledgable than Kelly or Edmunds. :roll: They have their own list and formulas.

The Edmunds [i]Dealer Retail[i] price for the car, in "good" condition is $4016. So I guess the DMV assumes the car is in good condition and I purchased it from a dealer. A bill of sale from the *actual* price paid has nothing to do with it if it's from a private party sale.

For reference:

Private Party value in "good" condition: $1183, in "average" condition: $1291. This car was somewhere inbetween "good" and "average", but you wouldn't know that unless you check it out mechanically, and drove it. Two things that are totally ignored in the DMV appraisal process. :roll:

[ArthurS]

How come they don't just go off the blue book value for the car? I thought just about everyone who wanted to know how much a car was worth used that price.

From the DMV website:

Sales Taxes are paid to DMV, based on either depreciated MSRP or a DMV appraisal.

[MattR]

I swear too much....


Oh, the DMV process seems totally backwards...They make it so hard to buy a used fricking car.

[sperry]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

I had planned on getting it registered before cleaning it out, and getting any work done on it. (Not that it mattered, since mechanical condition has apparently zero bearing on the value of the car.) I should have just dropped the 3" thick folder of service records for the car in the guy's hand and said "this car has a long history of problems, feel free to read up on it yourself, it only takes about 90 minutes to get through... or you can just take my word that the car's worth $2000".

[ScottyS]

Oh, the DMV process seems totally backwards...They make it so hard to buy a used fricking car.


I swear those greedy little monkeys have quotas to follow --- charging me more "sales tax" than what it would have been based on the actual sale amount happens almost every time. I say we dress up like ricer hoodlums and toss all the new license plates into Boston Harbor!

[ScottyS]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

I had planned on getting it registered before cleaning it out, and getting any work done on it. (Not that it mattered, since mechanical condition has apparently zero bearing on the value of the car.) I should have just dropped the 3" thick folder of service records for the car in the guy's hand and said "this car has a long history of problems, feel free to read up on it yourself, it only takes about 90 minutes to get through... or you can just take my word that the car's worth $2000".

Or, better yet, ask him if he would pay $4100 for it as-is.

[sperry]

How come they don't just go off the blue book value for the car? I thought just about everyone who wanted to know how much a car was worth used that price.

From the DMV website:

Sales Taxes are paid to DMV, based on either depreciated MSRP or a DMV appraisal.

Is it just me, or is "sales tax" intended to be paid based on a percentage of the sale price of an item. Hell, I purchased this car in Danville, CA, shouldn't the seller of the car be required to pay the state of CA sales tax?

At least I didn't get as screwed as my friend Jason's GF. She had a car gifted to her in CA. When she brought it here, even though it was legally registered to her in CA, because there was no record of sales tax on the CA registration, she had to pay sales tax to get it registered here in NV. :x The car was already registered to her, in her name, in CA... what the fuck does "sales tax" have to do with anything a year later in NV!?!? They said she could just have the person that gifted it to her sign a new affidavit... nevermind that he gave her the car because he was moving back to Turkey. :roll:

[sperry]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

I had planned on getting it registered before cleaning it out, and getting any work done on it. (Not that it mattered, since mechanical condition has apparently zero bearing on the value of the car.) I should have just dropped the 3" thick folder of service records for the car in the guy's hand and said "this car has a long history of problems, feel free to read up on it yourself, it only takes about 90 minutes to get through... or you can just take my word that the car's worth $2000".

Or, better yet, ask him if he would pay $4100 for it as-is.

Oooh... that's a good line. I could have hammered him with that one. :lol:

[murphy]

WTF is this something new? when I bought a californa car (private sale) the guy only had to check that the vin matched the title..no apprasial was done and I paid tax on what I paid for the car...WTF?

[AtomicLabMonkey]

So, the short version of the story: because of asshole appraiser I paid $302 in "sales tax" on a $2000 sale... yes that's 15% sales tax. :roll: Now, pile on registration fees for the SVX, plus the renewal for my WRX, and I ended up dropping $625 at the DMV today. :x

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Just because you have the ability to ruin my day doesn't mean your job, and your life have any meaningful value. You're fourty-something, and you peaked at making me pay an extra $150 by being an asshole at your crappy DMV job.

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[Kevin M]

Yikes... good thing I didn't get around to fixing the frotn of my RS yet. I have to register it sometime this month, since my CA plates expire in like 4 days. :( Anybody have some steelies that fit 4 pots?

[doubleurx]

Scott that sucks. In California you pay sales tax based on the sale not some conceived appraisal value. I am not sold on NV being more tax friendly. Yes you have no state income tax, but property tax can be reappraised each year! That alone could wipe out any of the other tax benefits of the state.

Nonetheless he's not a chicken fucker he's a rooster fucker!

[Kostamojen]

That sucks. I guess Nevada isnt that great.

When I registered the '78, I told them It was a gift and not worth anything. They didnt care. I just registered the new 95, and I could have put anything I wanted for the value, they didnt care. I put something reasonable (half of what I paid), but I shouldnt have even been that reasonable... Now I have to fork up more money.

[dknv]

I hate the DMV. It is my least favourite place in America. When I registered my WRX there for the first time I waited 4 hours. The whole time the place was packed with billions of screaming kids, and when I finally got to see someone about my registration she spent the whole time bitching that she got an 8 minute break instead of 10 minutes that day.
I hate some of the DMV's workers. They are a big part of the reason why it takes 4 friggen hours.
When I was there in May, I waited in a section where I could watch some of the workers at the windows. One lady literally pushed papers around her workstation multiple times. She would gather up a bunch of papers, paperclip them together, put that set in a file sorter, get some more papers, spread them out at her workstation, then take the stack from the file sorter, unclip them, take out some papers, put those with some of the papers now laying on the desk, paperclip a different set together, and put those in the sorter. Repeat. She never looked up at the people waiting. She finally got up, and went on a break. I saw her come back more than 20 minutes later, and start sifting thru her papers again. It was unbelievable.
Then, there are a few others, like the lady who helped me, who seem to be incredibly efficient. They would constantly be turning over new transactions, you could see it by the ticket numbers that show up on their reader boards.

[dknv]

And you know what really sucks? If you had to get an insurance claim on it, you'd never recover $4,100. :x

[Dean]

Auto appraisal is a lot like figure skating, or gymnastics judjing...

When I took the Stealth in they wanted me to pay depreciated value which was way more than what I paid, so I went out to the appraiser dudes...

Talked nice while he looked at the car, told him what I paid for it, and general BS... He looked it up in KBB. Somebody else came in looking for a flashlight, that worked... made a joke about bringing them batteries next time I was in since I had a Costco brick of them at home...

He said "blue book was blah..., what did I pay for it again?" I answered sevencough, I mean five thousand...

"5K it is...", and off I went back inside... WITH A BIG OLD SMILE...

Smile, be polite, funny, or in Scott's case, show some leg, stick your landings, and you get a better appraisal...

I know it shouldn't be that way, but it is...

Oh, and the trick withthe DMV is to go in, get your number, and then go get lunch and bring it back and eat while you are waiting... Tues-Thurs 10-11am is usually slowest

[MikeSTI]

when I took my used car to the DMV I brought my bill of sell showing I only paid 2200 for the old car and that it wasnt worth any more or else the seller would have sold it for that :?

[THAWA]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

I dunno about htat, svx windshields aren't common. And finding one in a yard, well i've never seen one, but you've got the right idea. :)

That sucks sperry, though he could've appraised it for 5000-6000. I totally agree though you can't judge a car just by how it looks.

[sperry]

This sounds like the discussions between my wife & I every time we go near the DMV, less the expletives.

You have to drive it through the dirt, then put rusty steelies on it w/o hubcaps, smack the windshield with a big rock, and swap a couple body panels from PickNPull to get the appraisal down to $2100. Then you go get a brand new windshield and keep the panels as spares with the money you saved....

I dunno about htat, svx windshields aren't common. And finding one in a yard, well i've never seen one, but you've got the right idea. :)

That sucks sperry, though he could've appraised it for 5000-6000. I totally agree though you can't judge a car just by how it looks.

I think the price is primarily determined by the DMV's equivalent of a Blue Book, with a mileage modifier. Then, if the car looks beat to hell, it's the inspector's discression to lower it further. What's shady, is that the DMV doesn't seem to have their base values published. I've heard that it's the MSRP - 15% for the 1st year, and -5% for each additional year, but that's just hearsay. Also, I don't know how much they take off for mileage.

The DMV needs to publish all that info, have it available at the inspection station, and they should post that things like repair quotes and estimates are usful in getting the vehicle appraised correctly. Not having that information public basically makes the DMV look like they're intentionally bumping the appraisal value of cars in order to collect additional taxes... which is pretty much what I'm sure they're doing. :x

[ArthurS]

This is all directly from DMV's website:

How are vehicle sales taxes calculated?

The Nevada Sales and Use tax is actually several separate taxes which fund state and local government, schools and special purposes. See the Nevada Department of Taxation Tax Map for rates and other details. Taxes on vehicle sales vary by the type of sale and the tax rate of the county in which the vehicle is based.

Nevada Dealer Sales - Taxes are paid to the dealer based on the actual purchase price.

Out-of-State Dealer Sales - DMV will verify whatever taxes were paid and charge any difference between that amount and what would have been due in Nevada.

Private Party Sales - Taxes are paid to DMV based either on the depreciated Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) or a vehicle appraisal (NRS 374.112). Appraisals can be completed at the VIN Inspection Station at larger DMV offices.

If the MSRP is used, the original retail price is depreciated 15% after the first year and 5% per year thereafter. The minimum valuation for sales tax purposes is 10% of MSRP or $100, whichever is greater. The amount of depreciation must be rounded to the nearest whole multiple of $20.

Private party (or "occasional") vehicle sales are exempt from the 2% state sales tax, but are subject to all other relief, support and special taxes. See the Nevada Department of Taxation for the current rate in your county and subtract 2%.

Sample Sales Tax Calculation (Private Party Vehicle Sale)

Vehicle 2 years old with an original Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price of $12,500.

Registered in Clark County.

$12,500.00
x .80

Vehicle MSRP depreciated 20% after two years
$10,000.00
x .055

Clark County tax rate of 7.5% minus 2%

$550 Sales Tax


Reference:
Nevada Revised Statutes Chapter 374 Sections 112 and 113

[sperry]

Thanks Art.

Unfortunately, they don't tell you where the appraised value comes from. That whole 15% + 5% for each year deal is crap. A new car depreciated 20% the instant you drive it off the lot! And a flat rate depreciation is totally un-realistic.... hence the reason for the appraisal inspections.

For example: the SVX

MSPR in 1994: $34,000
- (15 + (5 * 9))%
= $13,600

I'm pretty sure my SVX isn't worth $13,600!! So I got it appraised... and even then they appraised it for twice what the market value of the car is! Where's the formula that the DMV used to get that $4100 value?

Anyway... enough ranting I guess. It's registered and paid for now... no use in getting my panties all wadded up.

[zpeed]

My Brother got lucky paid said tax on his STI as WRX price. :D

[Nick Koan]

Bump.

God, the DMV in Reno sucks. I got to experience the suckiness firsthand today.

[sti deede]

Bump.

God, the DMV in Reno sucks. I got to experience the suckiness firsthand today.

What was your trip to the DMV for?

[Nick Koan]

I (almost) got one of them licenses to drive.

[sti deede]

I (almost) got one of them licenses to drive.
:lol: :lol:

[ArthurS]

I (almost) got one of them licenses to drive.

What went wrong?

[Nick Koan]

Didn't know I needed other forms of ID, like SSN card and passport/birth certificate.

It really wasn't a bad experience, its just didn't realize how freaking packed that place can be. Its huge, and it was still crammed with people.

[sperry]

Didn't know I needed other forms of ID, like SSN card and passport/birth certificate.

It really wasn't a bad experience, its just didn't realize how freaking packed that place can be. Its huge, and it was still crammed with people.

It's 'cause there's really only one office for the whole of Reno. True there are the little mini offices, but they can't really help you with anything other than license renewals.

[ArthurS]

I went to the mini-office at the old town mall to get a DL printout....the waiting line was 40 min. :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Theo]

For what it's worth I sold my old car to my step dad. He refused to pay sales tax on it to the DMV and we did the 'Gift form' that was noterized. No tax.

I also disagreeded with an appraisal they did on an old VW bug. They had it valued at $3000 and it did not have a motor. I went to a car lot and got an appraisal done for something like $900. DMV accepted that price.

As far as I know the real scam is re-taxing cars in Nevada that are brought into the state from another state. This can add up big time on newer cars.

Theo

[MattR]

I went to the mini-office at the old town mall to get a DL printout....the waiting line was 40 min. :shock: :shock: :shock:

You can download this off the web site for $7.

[Kevin M]

For what it's worth I sold my old car to my step dad. He refused to pay sales tax on it to the DMV and we did the 'Gift form' that was noterized. No tax.

I also disagreeded with an appraisal they did on an old VW bug. They had it valued at $3000 and it did not have a motor. I went to a car lot and got an appraisal done for something like $900. DMV accepted that price.

As far as I know the real scam is re-taxing cars in Nevada that are brought into the state from another state. This can add up big time on newer cars.

Theo

I think I'm going to buy my next car in CA and just pay the tax there. NV will only collect the difference (if any) over that amount.

[Kevin M]

Didn't know I needed other forms of ID, like SSN card and passport/birth certificate.

It really wasn't a bad experience, its just didn't realize how freaking packed that place can be. Its huge, and it was still crammed with people.

I plan to use my discharge certificate for secondary ID, since they won't accept CA licenses as ID. Whatever. :rolleyes: Gotta do it soon, too...