Political quiz

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I thought this had come up on the board before, but I searched and couldn't find anything.

Are you a hardcore populist libertarian with moderate conservative leanings? A moderately liberal authoritarian? Find out for sure... :lol:

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/XPolitics/start.asp

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I ended up a Moderate Libertarian Conservative

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_070.gif

[MikeSTI]

it says Im a "Centrist" whatever the hell that is

[sperry]

I'm a "Moderate Libertarian Liberal"...

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_050.gif

We should use something like this instead of voting. Just do a census every 4 years where everyone answers a bunch of questions about how they want the country run, then all the candidate's scores are matched against the US average, and the closest candidate wins. :lol:

[AtomicLabMonkey]

We should use something like this instead of voting. Just do a census every 4 years where everyone answers a bunch of questions about how they want the country run, then all the candidate's scores are matched against the US average, and the closest candidate wins. :lol:

Make it a large pool of candidates for each possible "demographic", or whatever you want to call it, with the winner being selected randomly from among that particular selected pool, and I'd be all for that. That's the only method that could eliminate business & special interest lobbying, simply because they couldn't know who would win by polling beforehand. :cool:

[sperry]

Make it a large pool of candidates for each possible "demographic", or whatever you want to call it, with the winner being selected randomly from among that particular selected pool, and I'd be all for that. That's the only method that could eliminate business & special interest lobbying, simply because they couldn't know who would win by polling beforehand. :cool:
As stupid as it sounds, I think we'd probably come out ahead if we just randomly picked our leaders rather than our current process. :lol:

[Nick Koan]

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_040.gif

Though, I've always thought of myself as slightly more libertarian then this suggests.

[JC]

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s080_020.gif

[sybir]

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_040.gif

[tysonK]

Although it looks like they have a pretty straightforward graph. From what I was reading in the explaination I think this graph reflects my personal score more than my Economic score, but whever. I give more thought to free trade than abortion.


http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s070_050.gif

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Interesting.. so far JC is the only one completely out of the Moderate box. :)

[sperry]

Interesting.. so far JC is the only one completely out of the Moderate box. :)
Yeah, I remember the days when I was young and still in school... you know, before the real world beat the idealism out of me.

;) :lol:

[tysonK]

Yeah, I remember the days when I was young and still in school... you know, before the real world beat the idealism out of me.

;) :lol:

JC's in the real world wern't you there when he cut the college hair?

[sperry]

JC's in the real world wern't you there when he cut the college hair?
Um, he's in Atlanta going to school for some crazy-ass degree in rocket science of some sort!

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I think I've been the opposite of most people in the progression of my political leanings. I used to be ridiculously conservative when I was younger, say in high school.. now I've loosened up a lot and am pretty much in the middle in my old age. I guess that's the real world effect too, ideals from either the right or left get beaten out of you. :)

[sperry]

I think I've been the opposite of most people in the progression of my political leanings. I used to be ridiculously conservative when I was younger, say in high school.. now I've loosened up a lot and am pretty much in the middle in my old age. I guess that's the real world effect too, ideals from either the right or left get beaten out of you. :)
To be honest, I think people's political views are directly influenced by the amount of money and/or power they have. If you're doing well, you're conservative... after all why change what's not broken, whereas if you're broke or powerless, well something has to change.

Apparently Austin, you're not making as much money as you thought you would! :lol:

[AtomicLabMonkey]

:lol: I think you nailed it...

Not much money: Check

Not much power: Check

No wonder I've gotten more liberal...

[ScottyS]

I ended up a Moderate Libertarian Conservative



I predict that's where I'll be.....

[MattR]

Cool, that's an interesting survey, with some good assumptions that make sense...here's my graph, good to see I'm a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party!

I scored as a "Moderate Libertarian"

[sperry]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what a "populist" would be.

[ScottyS]

Hmmm, a Moderate Populist Conservative?

Actually, I found that quiz to be pretty biased towards Liberal-Libertarian. The wording and types of questions, along with the analysis style and undertones suggest that they weren't looking for answers to open questions. They use hot-button issues, but fail to include options on important details. Some of the giveaways were:

"Abortion is a Woman's Right" vs. taking both sides in the question, such as "Abortion: Woman's Right or Premeditated Murder?"
"Reduce use of coal, oil, & nuclear energy" --- apples and oranges, I say. Oil and coal have nothing in common with nucs except hot water!
"Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It" --- What about legal immigration + assimilation vs. illegal/subversive activity?


Not fooled.

[MattR]

Actually, I found that quiz to be pretty biased towards Liberal-Libertarian. The wording and types of questions, along with the analysis style and undertones suggest that they weren't looking for answers to open questions. They use hot-button issues, but fail to include options on important details. Some of the giveaways were:

"Abortion is a Woman's Right" vs. taking both sides in the question, such as "Abortion: Woman's Right or Premeditated Murder?"
"Reduce use of coal, oil, & nuclear energy" --- apples and oranges, I say. Oil and coal have nothing in common with nucs except hot water!
"Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It" --- What about legal immigration + assimilation vs. illegal/subversive activity?


Not fooled.

Good Points, I noticed a few of the questions glazed over issues, like the immigration one, it leaves out options. I think it does lean a little bit to one side, but...

[sperry]

Hmmm, a Moderate Populist Conservative?

Actually, I found that quiz to be pretty biased towards Liberal-Libertarian. The wording and types of questions, along with the analysis style and undertones suggest that they weren't looking for answers to open questions. They use hot-button issues, but fail to include options on important details. Some of the giveaways were:

"Abortion is a Woman's Right" vs. taking both sides in the question, such as "Abortion: Woman's Right or Premeditated Murder?"
"Reduce use of coal, oil, & nuclear energy" --- apples and oranges, I say. Oil and coal have nothing in common with nucs except hot water!
"Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It" --- What about legal immigration + assimilation vs. illegal/subversive activity?


Not fooled.
No one said it's scientific... however all the questions were the same for all of us, and I'd say the results are pretty much matching up to what I know about everyone's political views.

[M3n2c3]

Hmm.

Moderate Liberal Populist

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s050_030.gif


I'm still trying to wrap my head around what a "populist" would be.
I don't fully get the concept of a populist myself, since this is the first time I can recall ever encountering the term, but the good ol' dictionary sez, "supporter of ordinary people: an advocate of the rights and interests of ordinary people, for example, in politics or the arts."

[JC]

Um, he's in Atlanta going to school for some crazy-ass degree in rocket science of some sort!

Ya but it's grad school. Besides bitch, which one of us owns our own home? I've been a member of the Green Party since I could vote. It'll probably never change. I'm liberal socially and don't care economically because I believe I can make myself rich regardless. ;)

[khail19]

Me too...

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[dknv]

Centrist.
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[dmentdwrx]

Heres where I stand!
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[tysonK]

Heres where I stand!
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and
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pics no worky!

[dmentdwrx]

Ok 1 more try!!
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and

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[Nick Koan]

Let me help you

use [ img ] (w/o space) instead of <img>. HTML tags are disabled on this board, so you'll have to use the vb tags.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/renorat/BushVaca.jpg

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[ScottyS]

No one said it's scientific... however all the questions were the same for all of us, and I'd say the results are pretty much matching up to what I know about everyone's political views.


Yeah, since it's just a stupid intarweb poll, what should I expect, right? I just figure I'm really a Conservative Libertarian in modern terms.

[sperry]

Let's throw some fuel on this fire!

Religion Quiz: http://beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (98%)
3. Liberal Quakers (94%)
4. Secular Humanism (85%)
5. Nontheist (74%)
6. Taoism (71%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (70%)
8. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (67%)
9. Neo-Pagan (67%)
10. New Age (65%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (63%)
12. Bah�'� Faith (61%)
13. New Thought (54%)
14. Reform Judaism (48%)
15. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (48%)
16. Scientology (47%)
17. Orthodox Quaker (46%)
18. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (44%)
19. Jainism (40%)
20. Sikhism (39%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (30%)
22. Hinduism (26%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (21%)
24. Islam (20%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (20%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (8%)
27. Roman Catholic (8%)

I find it hilarious that Roman Catholic is the lowest on my list, since that's how I was raised... :lol:

[Nick Koan]

I find it hilarious that Roman Catholic is the lowest on my list, since that's how I was raised... :lol:

No, actually that makes perfect sense :lol:

[sperry]

No, actually that makes perfect sense :lol:
I'm gonna go re-take the quiz to get a Neo-Pagan score... afterall, I've already got the goat pants.

[khail19]

This is amusing, I was raised Christian, and most of my mother's side is Muslim. Both are way down the list. The one I don't get is Liberal Quaker 91%??? How can there be liberal Quakers?



1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Theravada Buddhism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (91%)
4. Neo-Pagan (88%)
5. Secular Humanism (85%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (85%)
7. New Age (79%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (76%)
9. Taoism (64%)
10. Jainism (61%)
11. New Thought (58%)
12. Orthodox Quaker (57%)
13. Reform Judaism (55%)
14. Sikhism (53%)
15. Hinduism (52%)
16. Scientology (51%)
17. Nontheist (48%)
18. Bah�'� Faith (45%)
19. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (45%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (33%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (27%)
22. Seventh Day Adventist (23%)
23. Orthodox Judaism (22%)
24. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (22%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (12%)
26. Islam (12%)
27. Roman Catholic (12%)

[MikeK]

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Nontheist (97%)
3. Secular Humanism (97%)
4. Liberal Quakers (69%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (67%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (64%)
7. Bah?'? Faith (42%)
8. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (42%)
9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (42%)
10. Jehovah's Witness (42%)
11. Neo-Pagan (30%)
12. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (28%)
13. Taoism (17%)
14. New Thought (14%)
15. New Age (7%)
16. Eastern Orthodox (0%)
17. Hinduism (0%)
18. Islam (0%)
19. Jainism (0%)
20. Mahayana Buddhism (0%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (0%)
22. Orthodox Quaker (0%)
23. Reform Judaism (0%)
24. Roman Catholic (0%)
25. Scientology (0%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (0%)
27. Sikhism (0%)

This should be more fun to watch than the political quiz :)

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I wouldn't do well as a Catholic either... :D


1. Unitarian Universalism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8041_1.html) (100%) 2. Secular Humanism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8040_1.html) (85%) 3. Liberal Quakers (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8038_1.html) (83%) 4. Theravada Buddhism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8042_1.html) (82%) 5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8028_1.html) (80%) 6. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8039_1.html) (72%) 7. Neo-Pagan (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8058_1.html) (66%) 8. New Age (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8055_1.html) (64%) 9. New Thought (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8056_1.html) (62%) 10. Nontheist (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8027_1.html) (59%) 11. Scientology (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8057_1.html) (55%) 12. Mahayana Buddhism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8045_1.html) (53%) 13. Bah�'� Faith (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8051_1.html) (52%) 14. Reform Judaism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8054_1.html) (47%) 15. Taoism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8059_1.html) (44%) 16. Jehovah's Witness (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8034_1.html) (42%) 17. Orthodox Quaker (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8037_1.html) (41%) 18. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8035_1.html) (39%) 19. Jainism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8048_1.html) (36%) 20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8029_1.html) (36%) 21. Hinduism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8047_1.html) (32%) 22. Sikhism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8049_1.html) (30%) 23. Orthodox Judaism (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8053_1.html) (22%) 24. Islam (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8052_1.html) (19%) 25. Seventh Day Adventist (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8036_1.html) (11%) 26. Eastern Orthodox (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8033_1.html) (9%) 27. Roman Catholic (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8030_1.html) (9%)

[Kevin M]

1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Sikhism (99%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (95%)
4. Liberal Quakers (89%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%)
6. Neo-Pagan (83%)
7. Mahayana Buddhism (82%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (79%)
9. Theravada Buddhism (77%)
10. New Age (75%)
11. Orthodox Judaism (75%)
12. Islam (72%)
13. New Thought (71%)
14. Scientology (71%)
15. Jainism (70%)
16. Secular Humanism (69%)
17. Hinduism (61%)
18. Taoism (59%)
19. Orthodox Quaker (58%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (53%)
21. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (52%)
22. Nontheist (52%)
23. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (49%)
24. Eastern Orthodox (47%)
25. Roman Catholic (47%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (33%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (25%)


I too am curious... what's a Liberal Quaker? :lol: Otherwise I'm not too surprised at the results. Although apparently, I accept Roman Catholicism more easily than they would like to think I do.

[M3n2c3]

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (98%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%)
4. Liberal Quakers (87%)
5. Nontheist (72%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (67%)
7. Neo-Pagan (64%)
8. New Age (54%)
9. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (51%)
10. Reform Judaism (51%)
11. Bahá'í Faith (47%)
12. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (47%)
13. New Thought (45%)
14. Taoism (43%)
15. Scientology (39%)
16. Mahayana Buddhism (38%)
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (33%)
18. Orthodox Quaker (33%)
19. Sikhism (33%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (29%)
21. Eastern Orthodox (14%)
22. Islam (14%)
23. Jainism (14%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (14%)
25. Roman Catholic (14%)
26. Hinduism (12%)
27. Seventh Day Adventist (12%)


A mix of the the first two seems about right. Where the hell did they get #3, though? Straight from Humanism to Christian Protestant? :~:
Simply put, I'm agnostic - too lazy to come up with some real beliefs :P

[JC]

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (98%)
3. Liberal Quakers (84%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
5. Nontheist (80%)
6. Theravada Buddhism (78%)
7. Neo-Pagan (71%)
8. Bah�'� Faith (61%)
9. Taoism (58%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (52%)
11. New Age (48%)
12. Reform Judaism (47%)
13. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (46%)
14. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (39%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (38%)
16. Mahayana Buddhism (37%)
17. New Thought (36%)
18. Sikhism (34%)
19. Scientology (30%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (23%)
21. Jainism (23%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
23. Islam (19%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (19%)
25. Roman Catholic (19%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (15%)
27. Hinduism (9%)

I don't even know what half that shit is.

[tysonK]

Quakers all teh way bitches.

1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (96%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (90%)
4. Bah�'� Faith (88%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (84%)
6. Jainism (81%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (81%)
8. Orthodox Quaker (78%)
9. Seventh Day Adventist (78%)
10. Reform Judaism (77%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (74%)
12. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (74%)
13. Sikhism (74%)
14. Islam (72%)
15. Hinduism (69%)
16. Neo-Pagan (66%)
17. Taoism (64%)
18. New Age (61%)
19. Eastern Orthodox (60%)
20. Roman Catholic (60%)
21. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (56%)
22. Jehovah's Witness (53%)
23. Secular Humanism (52%)
24. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (42%)
25. Nontheist (40%)
26. New Thought (38%)
27. Scientology (33%)

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Hahaha.. 2 years later I end up a Moderate Liberal Populist.

I guess I've gotten more and more jaded against right-wing causes.

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_030.gif

[sperry]

I just got less moderate. :lol:

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s070_050.gif

[Kevin M]

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[Pat R.]

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[100_Percent_Juice]

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[knucklesplitter]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9366/matttheliberalpopulistao8.gif

Funny how the oldest guy on the board (besides maybe Dean by a year or two) is the most "liberal". :rolleyes: I think my time working for a French company and spending time in France pulled me to the left/populist. And my 10 years in South Carolina and 2 years in Oklahoma revolted away from the right. And now the Mayberrry Mackiavellis have pushed me farther left. I am definitely much more "left" than when I was 20yo.

But... I didn't like how the questions were phrased in many cases either. My answer for most difficult questions of weight is in general, "It depends". And it does depend... usually.

edit: Whoops, looks like JC might be more "liberal". He certainly is liberal in his EVO wheel selection...

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Ok, this little quiz ranks the presidential candidates according to your views on certain hot-button issues. :lol:

http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php

My results:

Kucinich 58
Gravel 48
Richardson 35
Obama 35
Biden 34
Edwards 34
Clinton 34
Dodd 31
Paul 24

McCain -6
Thompson -18
Brownback -25
Cox -25
Huckabee -28
Giuliani -32
Hunter -51
Tancredo -52
Romney -55

:eek: I feel a little dirty since Kucinich came up as my highest score. The guy is a frothing socialist, and I don't like a lot of his views on the role of government. I do like Bill Richardson though, even though he has no chance of winning.

[Kevin M]

Apparently, I should give up and go to another country. :lol: My scores were low because I was 'meh' on most of the issues.

Gravel 22

Kucinich 20

Richardson 15

Edwards 9

Dodd 8

Clinton 8

Obama 7

Biden 7

Paul 1


McCain -1
Thompson -4
Giuliani -8
Huckabee -15
Cox -15
Brownback -19
Hunter -21
Tancredo -22
Romney -26

[M3n2c3]

Kucinich 62
Gravel 56
Obama 38
Edwards 36
Clinton 34
Biden 29
Dodd 29
Richardson 25
Paul 1

Giuliani -16
Thompson -22
Cox -33
McCain -39
Brownback -40
Huckabee -50
Romney -51
Tancredo -51
Hunter -57

I took the other one again. . .

http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s050_040.gif

I moved from 50-30 to 50-40. :lol:

[sperry]

Kucinich 50
Gravel 49
Richardson 34
Obama 32
Edwards 30
Clinton 30
Dodd 29
Biden 27
Paul 16

McCain -14
Thompson -14
Giuliani -21
Brownback -24
Cox -30
Tancredo -37
Huckabee -40
Hunter -49
Romney -54


I'm lost at these results. What do the topics listed per candidate even mean, are those supposed to be the things the candidate and I agree upon? That doesn't seem right, since Paul scored 16, but has the longest list of matching topics. I guess he only agrees with my "meh" topics?

[sperry]

I went over to the http://www.2decide.com/table.htm site that the quiz pulls its data from. I'm astonished at the number of candidates that oppose gay marriage.

Without getting into an argument on the subject, I assume it's because supporting gay rights is political suicide. Which to me is a pretty sad state of affairs... that supporting equality between citizens is somehow a bad thing. I guess it's because most of America is straight and doesn't really care one way or the other since it doesn't effect them much, but the really vocal people are either gay or rabid homophobes (who are also probably gay and in denial <snicker>) and it seems the homophobes outnumber the gays.

Am I the only one that sees the gay rights movement to be the same thing as women's rights, or racial equality, etc? Don't people realize that in the future this sort of discrimination will seem as silly as segregation?

[Jesubi11]

I went over to the http://www.2decide.com/table.htm site that the quiz pulls its data from. I'm astonished at the number of candidates that oppose gay marriage.

Without getting into an argument on the subject, I assume it's because supporting gay rights is political suicide. Which to me is a pretty sad state of affairs... that supporting equality between citizens is somehow a bad thing. I guess it's because most of America is straight and doesn't really care one way or the other since it doesn't effect them much, but the really vocal people are either gay or rabid homophobes (who are also probably gay and in denial <snicker>) and it seems the homophobes outnumber the gays.

Am I the only one that sees the gay rights movement to be the same thing as women's rights, or racial equality, etc? Don't people realize that in the future this sort of discrimination will seem as silly as segregation?

well said sir... here is my libral ass chart

Oh yah I’m a godless heathen to.

[sperry]

well said sir... here is my libral ass chart

Oh yah I’m a godless heathen to.
Actually the "godless" comment is probably the biggest piece of the gay marriage issue. Lots of people oppose gay marriage because their religion opposes it.

IMO, that's perfectly acceptable. Religion is supposed to be separate from government. As far as religions are concerned, there's nothing stopping a church from setting their own rules for marriage. My issue is when those religious rules are enacted in law regarding the civil aspect of marriage.

Marriage is not just a religious ceremony, it's also a civil union, and I have an issue with placing restrictions on a government program (as it were) based on sexual preference. That's plain old discrimination, IMO. So, it's fine if a church wants to say "we won't marry gay couples, and we won't recognize gay marriages", but any two people should always be allowed to get married at the courthouse and receive all the rights and benefits of being a legally married couple, regardless of sex, creed, color, etc.

IBwhataboutpolygamy

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I went over to the http://www.2decide.com/table.htm site that the quiz pulls its data from. I'm astonished at the number of candidates that oppose gay marriage.

Forget gay rights, I'm astonished that pretty much the entire republican slate has been all for wiretapping without warrants, detention without due process of law, torturing captives... pretty much ignoring the bill of rights whenever the federal government deems it "necessary". All in the name of Fighting The Terrorists! What. The. Fuck? A War On Terror is by definition a war without end, and war is the quickest way possible to consolidate the power of the state and take away individual liberties.

This mentality will be the death of our republic. Mark my words. It won't all come crashing down tomorrow, or next week, or even 10 years from now, but it will happen eventually. The pieces are being set in place.

[M3n2c3]

well said sir... here is my libral ass chart

Oh yah I’m a godless heathen to.

http://www.seccs.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4444&stc=1&d=1189188431

Yeah, I remember the days when I was young and still in school... you know, before the real world beat the idealism out of me.

;) :lol:

:devil:

[MPREZIV]

Forget gay rights, I'm astonished that pretty much the entire republican slate has been all for wiretapping without warrants, detention without due process of law, torturing captives... pretty much ignoring the bill of rights whenever the federal government deems it "necessary". All in the name of Fighting The Terrorists! What. The. Fuck? A War On Terror is by definition a war without end, and war is the quickest way possible to consolidate the power of the state and take away individual liberties.

This mentality will be the death of our republic. Mark my words. It won't all come crashing down tomorrow, or next week, or even 10 years from now, but it will happen eventually. The pieces are being set in place.

Not to just polish the apple, but it astounds me, often, how alike you and I think friend.

[MikeK]

Actually the "godless" comment is probably the biggest piece of the gay marriage issue. Lots of people oppose gay marriage because their religion opposes it.

Gays make baby jebus cry (I think it's the whistles, they keep him up at night)

[sperry]

Forget gay rights, I'm astonished that pretty much the entire republican slate has been all for wiretapping without warrants, detention without due process of law, torturing captives... pretty much ignoring the bill of rights whenever the federal government deems it "necessary". All in the name of Fighting The Terrorists! What. The. Fuck? A War On Terror is by definition a war without end, and war is the quickest way possible to consolidate the power of the state and take away individual liberties.

This mentality will be the death of our republic. Mark my words. It won't all come crashing down tomorrow, or next week, or even 10 years from now, but it will happen eventually. The pieces are being set in place.
And no one seems to notice that less government control/involvement is supposed to be the backbone of Republican policies. :roll:

It's scary when the Democrats are the voices of reason when it comes to government respect of individual rights.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

And no one seems to notice that less government control/involvement is supposed to be the backbone of Republican policies. :roll:

It's scary when the Democrats are the voices of reason when it comes to government respect of individual rights.

Yeah. When exactly did we land in Bizzaro world? I haven't watched Star Trek lately, does Spock have a goatee here too?

[Jesubi11]

The worst part about it is whoever the dems throw into the race is going to get a free pass in (flinch) hilary. I would love to see Edwards but I'm afraid thats just not going to happen.

[sperry]

Well then.

The failure of the economy sure has swung me to the left.

2005:
http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s060_050.gif

2007:
http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s070_050.gif

2009:
http://www.ontheissues.org/quizeng/map/s080_030.gif

[ScottyS]

Heh, I still say the questions are very sappy and not well thought out. But, nobody said the average American likes to think things through anyways......

[sperry]

Heh, I still say the questions are very sappy and not well thought out. But, nobody said the average American likes to think things through anyways......
This one's a little better IMO:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

But they both gave me the same result:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.12&soc=-3.90

[BOO]

This one's a little better IMO:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

But they both gave me the same result:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.12&soc=-3.90



I too, took that and it said I was in the Purple square, right winged Libertarian. Which I was kind of by me self.. lol

[MattR]

Wow, I'm surprised, I think this is a fairly accurate test. It calls me a Fiscally-minded conservative with liberal social views...Which is pretty accurate considering I'm a filthy card-carrying Libertarian. Basically, I can sum up my views... "Legalize Marijauna, but don't dare tax me or I'll shoot ya!" :lol:

[AtomicLabMonkey]

My leftward slide continues.. I wonder if I qualify as a dirty liberal yet.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.50&soc=-5.44

[sperry]

My leftward slide continues.. I wonder if I qualify as a dirty liberal yet.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.50&soc=-5.44
Wow look at you go! Your wife must be so proud of you! :P :lol:

What I find interesting is that nearly all the well known politicians are on the authoritarian half of the board. I guess there's some truth to people that are in power are for having a system where there are people in power. :lol:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.gif

[MPREZIV]

I landed almost exactly where the Dalai Lama is on that chart.

[Nick Koan]

Yeah

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.38&soc=-5.74

[cody]

I'm more of a Nelson Mandela.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.88&soc=-3.23

[k-dogg39]

I am in that area as well.

[Kevin M]

I guess I thought the questions were a little too general and/or leading.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Quizeng/map/s050_050.gif

I'd have predicted I landed in liberal/libertarian land like most of you. Socially I'm pretty liberal, fiscally I'm not opposed to most government programs, I just wish they were managed better.

[Kevin M]

More where I would class myself.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.50&soc=-3.18

I'm all for individual freedoms in most cases, but I'm really not bothered by government involvement in most aspects of life that we're currently implementing government programs.

[van]

More where I would class myself.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.50&soc=-3.18

I'm all for individual freedoms in most cases, but I'm really not bothered by government involvement in most aspects of life that we're currently implementing government programs.

Thats about where I landed

[Kevin M]

Since we don't have a religious discussion thread (and probably don't need one) I figured I'd drop this here.