Local Company Offering Possible New Product!

[WRCsubeRS]

Introducing: Carson Valley Custom Auto Electrical. As a local company we wish to check the interest level on a new product we are thinking about offering:

A Warranty-Safe Push Button Start for your Subaru Vehicles. This Push Button start unit will not require any slicing of the stock wiring harness and will be able to be removed without a trace. Many options will be available in terms of button choice, button placement and configuration. Numerous configuratoins will be available which includes an option for complete keyless start.

We ask for your feedback on this product. Please post any questions you have

Thank You,

Cameron Woods

[M3n2c3]

I've been volunteered. I should be able to have this done next month sometime.

Now where can I find a button that says, "eject?" :D

[WRCsubeRS]

Then I guess you'll get a 'Volunteer Deal'. :D

You'll Love it...I Promise!

btw - Fresh out of the "Eject" buttons, but i have a whole box of "Self Destruct" buttons :D

[M3n2c3]

That's even better :lol:

Jeremy was making button pushing motions and startup noises at me most of the evening. How can I resist? :P

[WRCsubeRS]

The One I put in my car turned out great...So stealthy

[M3n2c3]

I'm stoked, because now I won't lock my keys in the car at meets anymore.

[MPREZIV]

Now where can I find a button that says, "eject?" :D

On my dash... it turns on the rear window defogger tho...



Now, how much would we be looking to spend for this modification?

[JonnydaJibba]

Now, how much would we be looking to spend for this modification?

Yeah sounds neat.

[WRCsubeRS]

Thanks for the Response!

We are looking at a baseline price of $59, the price of course depends on the configuration you choose. The cheapest package will include everything to make the car push button start only. Upgraded packages would include such options as different buttons (eg. The 'Start Engine' button found in the S2000) and different configurations (eg. Complete keyless start).

[JonnydaJibba]

Wow that is way less than I was expecting. Now I don't want to be totally noobish, but this will be in addition to the normal key ignition?

Oh yeah, would you happen to have any pictures of your work?

[Jesubi11]

The system can be configured in a number of different ways:

My personal setup is set so you turn the key to the 'On' position, then press the button to start. If you turn the key to the start position the car will not start.

The system can also be setup for complete keyless start, however the key is still required to bypass the ignition interlock.

Aditionally the system can be configured for both key and push button start, however this takes away from the entire point of push button start.

I will see if I can get some pictures posted today of the system in my car

Thanks Again

[WRCsubeRS]

Here are some pics of the system I have installed in my WRX:

The switch to the right engages/disengages the start button, located to the left of the steering wheel.
http://68.190.178.178/pics/car/100_0514.jpg

The Small button here is the Start button, located in center console:
http://68.190.178.178/pics/car/100_0515.jpg

The switch is wired so it can disable the start button so the starter is not engaged while the engine is running.

[MikeK]

The system can also be setup for complete keyless start, however the key is still required to bypass the ignition interlock.

It's keyless but you need the key?

[WRCsubeRS]

Yes the system can be configured keyless. You can literaly get into the car and start it, even if the keys are inside the house on the kitchen table. You can also drive the car without the key in the ignition, at least until the steering wheel locks. The requirement of the key is simply to disengage the steering lock, it acts as both a safety and security feature.

[MikeK]

OK I understand, I thought you were talking about the RFID in STi keys.

Speaking of which, how do you get around the RFID in STi keys?

[MPREZIV]

Speaking of which, how do you get around the RFID in STi keys?

Most remote start units will need a key with the correct chip, or sometimes just a programmed chip, that they attach near the receiver in the ignition switch, so it's always there. I would assume it's likely the same with this...

[WRCsubeRS]

While I am not entirely familiar with the STI's specific RFID system, I would imagine the system would be able to be bypassed somehow. Either by what MPREZIV suggests, simply putting the RFID chip in the car so it is always there, or by some other means. I will look further into this to see what can be done.

[MikeK]

simply putting the RFID chip in the car so it is always there, or by some other means.

Hmm ... that system is there for a good reason (anti theft) ... I guess remote start is not for me!

[WRCsubeRS]

This system is not a Remote Start system, simply a Push Button start. The system is more or less for the "Coolness/Wow Factor". It is not meant to be a security system (although some features could be looked at like security system).

[M3n2c3]

Here's how I'm looking at it: it's a winter evening at Bully's, and I want to warm my car up while chatting with the guys. With the keyless start, I can open the door and flip the switches to start the car without worrying about locking my keys in (done it once already).

It'll be nice at work, because I'll be able to warm up my car while I help take the trash around the corner without worrying about someone driving off with it. At home as well, because my house key and car key are on the same ring and I won't have to turn the car off if I realize that I left something in the house.

So that's why I'm getting one. Partially for fun (and I plan on installing a Kartboy short shifter while we have the center console out, so two birds/one stone) and partially to make warming my car up easier and more secure.

[WRCsubeRS]

That is a wonderful use for the system! :D

[JonnydaJibba]

I locked my keys in the car like 2 weeks ago. Started car, popped trunk to rummage around for something, door closed and somehow during all this the doors locked. Maybe this can keep me from climbing through my trunk to open my car. :lol:


With the keyless start, I can open the door and flip the switches to start the car without worrying about locking my keys in (done it once already).


This made me think, the point of the keyless start is to be able to do exactly that right? So I could keep my keys in my pocket and start the car? If that's the case, how then do I prevent other people from doing the same thing and stealing my car? Just keep my doors locked? Can't lock my windows from breaking...

[Kevin M]

Here's how I'm looking at it: it's a winter evening at Bully's, and I want to warm my car up while chatting with the guys. With the keyless start, I can open the door and flip the switches to start the car without worrying about locking my keys in (done it once already).

http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0714/2331081_200X150.jpg

;)

(not that I want to discourage anyone from getting this- I just wanted to poke Jeremiah with an e-stick! :lol: )

[sperry]

I locked my keys in the car like 2 weeks ago. Started car, popped trunk to rummage around for something, door closed and somehow during all this the doors locked. Maybe this can keep me from climbing through my trunk to open my car. :lol:




This made me think, the point of the keyless start is to be able to do exactly that right? So I could keep my keys in my pocket and start the car? If that's the case, how then do I prevent other people from doing the same thing and stealing my car? Just keep my doors locked? Can't lock my windows from breaking...
I did that in my truck at the coin-op car wash... I opened the door and started the truck to run the A/C and the windshield wipers after I just finished rinsing it off. Then I forgot that the remote start system automatically locks the doors 3 seconds after the motor starts. So when the door closed, I was locked out, truck's running, and my damn cell phone is inside on the center console.

I had to borrow a cell phone from the guy next to me, and use 411 to get the number for the only friend of mine that's listed, have him call my roommate, and get my roommate to bring the spare keys over. :oops:

That reminds me, I still need to turn off the auto-lock feature on the remote start... I'm gonna do that tonight!

</hijack>

The "real" reason to get a push button start is for your race car. Many series require you to remove the steering lock mechanism, so if the car's off it can still be rolled and steered by emergency workers. So you install a pair of ignition kill switches that cut the battery (one inside the car, and one on the hood for emergency workers), and a starter button to operate the starter motor, and remove the key mechanism from the car entirely.

If you do a starter button, you should have a latching relay or something that prevents the starter button from working while the car's running and while the ignition is off, or at least use a switch w/ a guard instead of a button that's easy to bump. You really don't want the starter to kick over while the motor's running... mucho grinding noises! :eek:

[WRCsubeRS]

Ya I've done that a time or two. lol

Well someone could technically could drive off with your car, however as soon as they try to take a turn, the steering lock will engage.

I learned this the hard way in my old legacy I put this system in. Driving through my neighborhood and I go to turn down one of the streets. I get half way through the turn and the steering lock engages. By the time I figured out that the steering lock had engaged, I was half way in someone's front yard.

So yes they could easily steal the car, but they're not going to get very far.

[WRCsubeRS]

If you look at the pictures I posted above, you can see I have done exactly that. I have a switch that engages/disengages the start button.

My thought was such that if I have some numb-nut in my car and we're driving down the road, and they say "what does this button do?" <idiot pushes button> **Horrible Grinding Noise** :mad:

Also the start button will not work unless the ignition is in the 'On' position.

[sperry]

If you look at the pictures I posted above, you can see I have done exactly that. I have a switch that engages/disengages the start button.

My thought was such that if I have some numb-nut in my car and we're driving down the road, and they say "what does this button do?" <idiot pushes button> **Horrible Grinding Noise** :mad:

Also the start button will not work unless the ignition is in the 'On' position.
Instead of that switch, you should be able to use a latching relay: basically a relay that kicks on after the starter is engaged and keeps the starter button from working until you cycle the IGN line off and back on, resetting the relay. It would take some research to find the exact relay and wiring needed to make it work, but it would be an idiot proof, zero step, solution.

That's basically how remote start systems prevent the user from engaging the starter with the key while the car is running after a remote start.

[WRCsubeRS]

That is also a very viable option which would be worth looking into. I will look into something like that and determine the cost involved. While it is a terrific idea, I would like to keep this as cost effective for everyone as possible.

Thanks for the sugestion!

[tysonK]

Can you get the cool red engine start buttons like the S2000? Cause that would pretty much rule.

[WRCsubeRS]

Absolutely! Any button can be worked into the system.

[M3n2c3]

http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0714/2331081_200X150.jpg

;)

(not that I want to discourage anyone from getting this- I just wanted to poke Jeremiah with an e-stick! :lol: )
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/corbis/DGT269/EMI0056.jpg

:P

[AtomicLabMonkey]

I learned this the hard way in my old legacy I put this system in. Driving through my neighborhood and I go to turn down one of the streets. I get half way through the turn and the steering lock engages. By the time I figured out that the steering lock had engaged, I was half way in someone's front yard.

So yes they could easily steal the car, but they're not going to get very far.

Awesome. So someone who tries to steal the car will be virtually guaranteed to wreck it! It's the perfect solution to vehicle theft.

[dknv]

Awesome. So someone who tries to steal the car will be virtually guaranteed to wreck it! It's the perfect solution to vehicle theft.Then when they wreck, you could engineer some red-hot pokers to come out of the steering wheel airbag and brand them. (Sounds like sperry...:lol: .)

[Jesubi11]

The main idea of this system is not for antitheft. It is for the "coolness" factor and for convenience. Remember that you can make the system keyless start is only an option and not requierd when using our system.

Thanks again for all the input and please keep any questions and coments coming. :)

[Nick Koan]

Does the clutch have to be in for this to work? Or does it bypass that?

[WRCsubeRS]

Yes, the clutch must be engaged for the car to start.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Much better price than I anticipated. Free bump!

[peartree]

tom discussed this in the unmoderated topic forum yesterday... ] hehe

[peartree]

tom discussed this in the unmoderated topic forum yesterday... hehe

[MattR]

See you dipshit

[Kevin M]

Check IPs... gotta be the same guy from yesterday.

[JonnydaJibba]

HA, banned already. Who the hell is Tom?

[Kevin M]

Click his smilies to find out.

[JonnydaJibba]

Oh I didn't know he hid them. Whatta a bastard.

[renoguy20]

One idea is to make a latch using relays so that once the car is started and the button is pressed, you can turn the key off and take it out. Now to open the latch, the - brake wire signal is used (with a diode) so that when the brake pedal is depressed the latch opens and the car turns off. This provides the warm up feature, without just anyone being able to jump in your car and start it and it also provides some security because when the brake pedal is pressed the car dies unless the keys are in the ignition (one could also use the clutch - wire for the same effect). I Have done this allready on my chevy, but was hesitatnt to cut into my suby wires. If someone were to make harnesses and connectors it would be awesome.

[sperry]

One idea is to make a latch using relays so that once the car is started and the button is pressed, you can turn the key off and take it out. Now to open the latch, the - brake wire signal is used (with a diode) so that when the brake pedal is depressed the latch opens and the car turns off. This provides the warm up feature, without just anyone being able to jump in your car and start it and it also provides some security because when the brake pedal is pressed the car dies unless the keys are in the ignition (one could also use the clutch - wire for the same effect). I Have done this allready on my chevy, but was hesitatnt to cut into my suby wires. If someone were to make harnesses and connectors it would be awesome.
Just buy a remote start system. Same functionality, plus you can start the car from inside the house on a cold day.

[JonnydaJibba]

I have locked my keys in my car once again since this thread was posted. Easy enough to get back in but still teh gay.

[M3n2c3]

I have locked my keys in my car once again since this thread was posted. Easy enough to get back in but still teh gay.
:lol:

[JonnydaJibba]

It's happened again. What's worse is that I almost never forget to lock my doors, yet I still leave my keys in the ignition... ugh...

[MPREZIV]

SUCKER!!! :lol: no really, that does suck. Did you get in the car?

[JonnydaJibba]

Nope. I'm hoping my roommate will call me back. I have keys at home. Man I'm dumb!

[MPREZIV]

If you don't get into it, and are still there about the time I get off, (4-4:30) give me a call and I can slim-jim it! I've got a lock-out kit here at work.

[JonnydaJibba]

Cory, you're way too cool. I'll give ya a ring if I need help.

[100_Percent_Juice]

...one ring to rule them all??

[MPREZIV]

Cory, you're way too cool. I'll give ya a ring if I need help.

No prob! Just be sure to give me a holler about 4 so I can grab my kit, and I'll just swing by on the way home, since it's on the way anyway!


I'll bring my tool... :D http://www.brunsonbrick.com/images/brick.jpg

[Kevin M]

He needs a slim-jim, not your tool dude. Or so the rest of us would like to believe!

[MPREZIV]

Gone in 60 Seconds FTL...