AutoX April 14, 15

[NevadaSTi]

OK, well I may be jumping the gun here. According to WEATHER.COM, the weather for this upcoming weekend is suppost to be exactly the same as last years' event.

Make sure you bring your heavy jackets!!!


Other than the weather, I can't wait.

[Forgotten]

Sun
Apr 15

Few Showers
65°/33° 30%
65°F
Don't Forget Your Sunblock


I guess bring your sunblock to put on under your jacket.

[100_Percent_Juice]

I will head over there to check it out. I dont think I will be able to race though.

[Joeyy]

I will head over there to check it out. I dont think I will be able to race though.

You should always race.

[MattR]

It will be fine, it's just a school and test on Saturday, Sunday will be clear. Jesus loves Autocross.

[100_Percent_Juice]

You should always race.

I just filed my taxes and needless to say this tax season was evil to me. I will not be spending money on a helmet this month. Maybe later

[MikeK]

Jesus loves Autocross.

[Joeyy]

It will be fine, it's just a school and test on Saturday, Sunday will be clear. Jesus loves Autocross.


Dear little Baby Jesus, please let it be sunny for autocross.

[Joeyy]

I just filed my taxes and needless to say this tax season was evil to me. I will not be spending money on a helmet this month. Maybe later

Dude, you can use a loaner helmet (they only itch a little at first).

[NevadaSTi]

Plus 1 for a loaner helmet. Did my taxes, and they were very evil to me. However, its not like I have the money to give to those RAT BASTARDS anyway.

Humm. This is interesting. Excerpt taken directly from the 2007 Reno Region Supplemental rules.

3.3.2. Novice Class Eligibility
Drivers that have never competed in more than 50%
region or club are eligible for the Novice program.

From my understanding, when I sell my STI to Pete and get another vehicle, I can actually run it in Novice till I get used to it. I only made it to 50% of the events last year. I only made like 4 events the previous year.

[bxracer69]

I'll probably come down and hang out. I still need to get a new windshield, mount up the tires and get an alignment before I saddle up to race. The funds are still looking a little low from my BX race season too. So it will probably be September when I race out here.

[sperry]

Plus 1 for a loaner helmet. Did my taxes, and they were very evil to me. However, its not like I have the money to give to those RAT BASTARDS anyway.

Humm. This is interesting. Excerpt taken directly from the 2007 Reno Region Supplemental rules.

3.3.2. Novice Class Eligibility
Drivers that have never competed in more than 50%
region or club are eligible for the Novice program.

From my understanding, when I sell my STI to Pete and get another vehicle, I can actually run it in Novice till I get used to it. I only made it to 50% of the events last year. I only made like 4 events the previous year.
True, but if you run at all this season in AS (or whatever) and switch to N, you're not eligible for Novice awards.

[100_Percent_Juice]

True, but if you run at all this season in AS (or whatever) and switch to N, you're not eligible for Novice awards.

When I get a helmet he wont be eligible for those anyways.;)

[cody]

What time do we show up on Saturday?

[Kevin M]

NLT 8 AM if you can, especially if you didn't get Annual Tech.

[wrxkidid]

im so mad i cant go to the school!!!!!
god damn debate tournament.
i can go sunday but not saturday and i was really hoping to be able to go to the school cause i have no idea what im doing :(

[MikeK]

i was really hoping to be able to go to the school cause i have no idea what im doing :(

Come to a few events, it won't take long to learn how an event is run.

[NevadaSTi]

If you are smart enough to be in a debate club, you should be able to figure out how an AutoCross event is ran.

Scott, I'm not concerned about taking a novice award. Its pretty obvious that I am not a novice. I am more interested in learning a new car (if Pete gets his loan) then being the top Novice Class driver.

[JonnydaJibba]

Yeah dude, you can just borrow a helmet, then it's only 35 bucks. I'm excited. =D

[Kevin M]

If you are smart enough to be in a debate club, you should be able to figure out how an AutoCross event is ran.

Scott, I'm not concerned about taking a novice award. Its pretty obvious that I am not a novice. I am more interested in learning a new car (if Pete gets his loan) then being the top Novice Class driver.

No reason not to run in ESP for points while you're 'learning' the car, which shouldn't really take you all that long to be honest. Running in class will help you gauge your progress in the car. running Novice doesn't really give you a way to quickly check how fast you are (or aren't).

[dknv]

http://www.seccs.org/forums/showpost.php?p=95043&postcount=7
which one is Jesus?:)
and why do I always forget how to use these dang php controls?

[dknv]

It will be fine, it's just a school and test on Saturday, Sunday will be clear. Jesus loves Autocross.
Do you think we would offend many, if we had a magnetron of this? :lol:

[MattR]

No, not at all, but we don't have a magnet man anymore :(

[wrxkidid]

im planning on going sunday i just was hoping to get some in car instruction on saturday.

[Forgotten]

im planning on going sunday i just was hoping to get some in car instruction on saturday.

I'm sure someone will be around during your run group. Ask them if you can take a ride along with them, or if they mind riding along with you for a lap.

[Kevin M]

Saturday is the school... if you signed up as a student, you are pretty much guaranteed instructor help if you want it.

[NevadaSTi]

So, who is running what classes?

I'm in AS, anyone else?

Also, can we create a sticky thread for Autocross pictures for the whole 2007 season? That way we can all post pictures to the same topic instead of different topics for different events?

[MattR]

BSP para mi. Sticky picture thread sounds good, but I don't take pictures so hopefully someone else will.

[cody]

BSP para mi.
No more Street mod eh? What did you have to take off to become legal?

[MattR]

I was always BSP legal, I ran SM for the challenge, now, I'm running race tires in BSP, and Those crazy F's in SM have too much HP.

[Pat R.]

Have fun y'all. I'll be carving corners in a moving truck all day Saturday & Sunday.
Es muy frio aqui.

[MattR]

Es muy frio aqui.

Donde? En Phoenix? Tu es loco.

[Pat R.]

Estoy en Reno hoy y manana y Viernes.

[Joeyy]

Pictures? I just put the video camera mount in the wagon so I'll have video to post.

[cody]

I was always BSP legal, I ran SM for the challenge, now, I'm running race tires in BSP, and Those crazy F's in SM have too much HP.

Que Grande los juevos. :P

[Joeyy]

Cody, are you happy with my Street Tire explanation?:P

[cody]

Cody, are you happy with my Street Tire explanation?:P

NO! :P

(Derrick just informed me that tread wear ratings can be as low as 140 via PM)

[wrxkidid]

my dads coming with me sunday. i think hes just gonna watch but im excited either way.
i might get my buddy to come down with his super nice camera and take some pictures.

im running novice haha.

[WRX06TR]

Hey, I have to work at 3 on Sunday but I think i am coming out and running in the morning heat. Good idea?

[cody]

i might get my buddy to come down with his super nice camera and take some pictures.


If he can find someone to "spot" him and checks in with the safety steward, he can go on track and take pics all day. We definately need more AutoX pics. My camera is crap.

[Kevin M]

Hey, I have to work at 3 on Sunday but I think i am coming out and running in the morning heat. Good idea?

No problem at all. You should be done in the morning on Sunday by noon or so.

[WRX06TR]

Cool, this should be interesting. Good thing i got the RE92s on yesterday. Its going to be a cone massacre!!! How much is the entrance fee? And can i count on somebody having a pump or should i fill my tires at the Shell station on the way? Anything else i need to bring? My friend in the GTI might come out too.

[Kevin M]

$25/day for members, $35/day for non-members. You would possibly be able to borrow an air pump before you had to work or drive, but it's easier to pump your tires up to about 40psi cold and let the air out as they heat up between runs before you get there. Other than that, just bring your driver's license, cash or check to cover your entry, and don't forget to show up early for tech, since it's the first weekend of the year!

[WRX06TR]

Alright, thank you. See you guys on Sunday. I can't make the meet tomorrow.

[wrxkidid]

what time should we be there at on sunday if we need to get teched? i know saturday was 8 but i figured id rather be safe than sorry. also can you run all day for 35 or do you have to pay to run in the afternoon as well?

ill see if he can come or not. hes semi trying to start a photog business but between school and sports hes not having much luck but he is super good none the less. what do you mean by "spot" him?

btw how much does a loaner helmet without weird fungi cost? :lol:

[MPREZIV]

Those crazy F's in SM have too much HP.

You're tellin' ME! :eek:


Robbie, show up at 8 at the latest, so you can get through reg. and tech in time for the driver's meeting. Really, I suggest to all newbies to do like I did last year and get there as early as you can, i.e. 7am, and help set up the track. It really helps you get a good look at the courses and get familiar with them.

By "spot him", Cody means that you have to have someone along with you at all times on the track while you're taking pics. If you're focused on taking a picture of a car, looking through the view finder of your camera, you might not see the car spinning out coming up behind you, so you MUST have a spotter to watch yo' back!

Loaner helmets are free if I recall correctly, you just have to clip your driver's license to their clipboard as collateral, so they can make sure you bring the helmet back!

[NevadaSTi]

Spoting is a safety issue, if your buddy is concentrating on taking pictures, he isn't exactly looking out for the car he doesn't see. I.E. people get hurt that way.

Plan on being there by 7:30 AM.

[cody]

can you run all day for 35 or do you have to pay to run in the afternoon as well?
I think running in the afternoon costs an extra $10...I know it does for members anyway.
btw how much does a loaner helmet without weird fungi cost? :lol:
Loaner helmets are free. I borrowed helmets all last year. I finally picked one up before the free track day at RFR though. IIRC, it was like $120 from Summit Racing.

[Kevin M]

Running a second session in the afternoon is $10 for all drivers.

[Nick Koan]

What is this snow doing on the ground today? Its two days early.

[Kevin M]

For serious. :lol:

[cody]

Don't fret, 50% chance of "rain" on Saturday.

[wrxkidid]

ha. i figure ill get out there 715 or 730 with 40 psi in my tires like kevin said. just take the stead exit and turn right and follow it till you see the airport right?

[zpeed]

I'm Mad, my cousin is coming up to run from the bay area in his Boxster S and I can't go. My wife is working for the company doing the tax and she have to work this Sat (last week before the Tax due date). I have to watch the kids. Unless they let me run my minivan in the course with my kids in car seats with helmets. :)

I will stop by and see your guys.

Have fun

[cody]

ha. i figure ill get out there 715 or 730 with 40 psi in my tires like kevin said. just take the stead exit and turn right and follow it till you see the airport right?

Yup. Drive slow though please. :)

Found this with a quick search too:

The typical route is pasted below, but here's a shortcut: exit Lemmon Valley Rd., (there is a McDonalds at that exit); go past the light, 1st left turn is Military Rd, take that to the deadend, left on Echo Ave, right on Mt Vida (Stead Blvd turns into Mt Vida), you'll be at step 4 below, and will have missed the traffic lights down Stead Blvd.

Stead Airport -- Stead is located just North of Reno
1: From the Interstate 80 and US 395 junction, take US 395 north from Reno (towards Susanville.)
2: Take the Stead Blvd. exit and turn right (East).
3: Continue on Stead Blvd. all the way into the airport. At the "Y" intersection, remain in the right lane.
4: Once through the airport gates, turn left at Alpha and immediately right on Petriciani.
5: Proceed to the grandstand area to park and register.



Who else is pumped!!? I'm all set except I still need to make my number and badge magnets. What about the Subaru badge on the front grill? Do I have to cut that out of the stock grill and glue it to my aftermarket grill?

[Nick Koan]

Doesn't an aftermarket grill put you in street mod?

[MattR]

Doesn't an aftermarket grill put you in street mod?

Opps! It sure does!:D

[cody]

Oh yah, I was wondering about that...and then forgot.

[cody]

Doh! I guess I'll put the old one back on. :(

[JonnydaJibba]

I'm Mad, my cousin is coming up to run from the bay area in his Boxster S and I can't go. My wife is working for the company doing the tax and she have to work this Sat (last week before the Tax due date). I have to watch the kids. Unless they let me run my minivan in the course with my kids in car seats with helmets. :)

I will stop by and see your guys.

Have fun

Go Sunday?

[Nick Koan]

Doh! I guess I'll put the old one back on. :(

Yeah, I probably wouldn't have protested because I think its kind of a stupid rule. But you never know about that shady Derrick character. He might.

[cody]

:lol: I might just skip the whole badges/grill thing and run ESP despite the rules. Even if by some miracle I actually won and then got challenged...oh well.

[NevadaSTi]

Once I start running ESP, you might have to make sure you are up to spec on the rules. Butt then again, an aftermarket grill bumps you into street mod????? That's about the most stupid thing I have ever heard of in my life.

Well, maybe the ex-wife saying she still loves me, either way, its pretty stupid.

[cody]

You would be in BSP I think. Could you still protest me?

[cody]

IB Cory tells me to man-up and run SM. :P

[Nick Koan]

You would be in BSP I think. Could you still protest me?

Mustangs go into ESP not BSP :p

[cody]

Looks like we might get that snow you guys have been asking for.
Saturday: A 50 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 50. West southwest wind around 16 mph, with gusts as high as 23 mph. New snow accumulation of around an inch possible.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=REV&llon=-120.563747&rlon=-118.698747&tlat=40.292084&blat=38.427084&smap=1&mp=0&map.x=83&map.y=84

[cody]

Mustangs go into ESP not BSP :p

Aw ok.

Mustangs can go to hell! :P

[sperry]

Because of PAX, anyone can protest anyone else regardless of class.

[NevadaSTi]

Aw ok.

Mustangs can go to hell! :P

Good thing you will be following me in with a slower time!!

[MikeK]

I might protest Cory into SM just to have a funny story to tell people.

[JonnydaJibba]

I think it's silly that cosmetic changes that don't affect performance bump you up a class. Maybe because I'm a newbie to autox there is something I don't understand, but it seems pointless.

[Nick Koan]

I think it's silly that cosmetic changes that don't affect performance bump you up a class. Maybe because I'm a newbie to autox there is something I don't understand, but it seems pointless.

A grill can affect performance though. Maybe its not noticeable on Subarus, but on other cars it can be. Increasing air flow, redirecting air flow, weight reduction, etc. These are all things that national level competitors worry about. When races come down to hundredths of a second, every little bit becomes important.

[cody]

Good thing you will be following me in with a slower time!!

Yah, but you'll be driving a Mustang. :P

[NevadaSTi]

That's my point exactly, I'll be driving a Mustang, and you will still be slower. I'll get a sticker that says, "You just got beat by an old school Mustang!"

[Kevin M]

How is a '90 Mustang "old school"? :lol:

[NevadaSTi]

302's have been around since, 1967

So, how is that for old school american muscle.

[Kevin M]

Irrelevant, since your car was made almost 30 years after the model debuted. :p

[cody]

That's my point exactly, I'll be driving a Mustang, and you will still be slower. I'll get a sticker that says, "You just got beat by an old school Mustang!"

:lol:

[cody]

How is a '90 Mustang "old school"? :lol:

It's old in "Ford years". :P

[NevadaSTi]

How so, its still basically the same motor. Except for some minor changes over the years due to smog regulations. In other words, I could take a C7AE block, and build it up to an F0AE spec motor. And vis-versus. So, I don't see how its irrelevant.

A 302 is still a 302, no matter what year car it is in.

[Kevin M]

You still don't have an old school Mustang. You have a Mustang with an old engine. If I put that 302 in a 240Z, is it suddenly an old school Ford?

Jeez dude, haven't you learned not to get into semantic arguments on this forum? :lol:

[NevadaSTi]

Nope, just because YOU say its something, doesn't exactly make it true.

[cody]

Hey the Hella Horns I just installed don't put me in Street Mod too do they? :?:

[sperry]

Hey the Hella Horns I just installed don't put me in Street Mod too do they? :?:
Nope, "comfort and convenience".

[Kevin M]

Nope, just because YOU say its something, doesn't exactly make it true.

Alrighty then. I suggest you take it to a dude who actually does own an old school Mustang and see what he thinks about you calling your '90 Fox "old school." ;)

[100_Percent_Juice]

Jeez dude, haven't you learned not to get into semantic arguments on this forum? :lol:

^I have.

[sperry]

How so, its still basically the same motor. Except for some minor changes over the years due to smog regulations. In other words, I could take a C7AE block, and build it up to an F0AE spec motor. And vis-versus. So, I don't see how its irrelevant.

A 302 is still a 302, no matter what year car it is in.
Here's a sweet 302, is that in ESP?

http://www.gumtree.com/posting_images/55/7266155__1175893498__1__1-bf736f6f3830eea956cfbc8d3c5fa11b.__big__.jpg

What if I took out that 5.0L v12 BMW motor and put it in a Mustang... is the car still the same? :P

Besides, you *can't* take a 1965 mustang motor and put it in a 1990 body and run in ESP. The line in the ESP rules is for '79-'93. So you can update/backdate only within those years, and ESP doesn't allow you to "build up" a motor outside of the factory specs w/ factory parts.

[NevadaSTi]

HAHA, just in case you have forgotten. The car I had before I got my STI was a 1965 Mustang with a 289 V8 4v.

I think I am qualified to have an opinion.

[cody]

Nope, "comfort and convenience".

Thank little Baby Jesus!

[Kevin M]

HAHA, just in case you have forgotten. The car I had before I got my STI was a 1965 Mustang with a 289 V8 4v.

I think I am qualified to have an opinion.

For shame. THAT was an old school Mustang... the one you're getting is not. Your entitlement to an opinion does not come with a guarantee of correctness. :p

[Kevin M]

Thank little Baby Jesus!

Yes, he had mercy on us by not making the SM class encompass basically all Subarus in the club. :lol:

[NevadaSTi]

I am not talking about taking a 67 Ford 302 block, hence the C7AE designation, and making it into a 1990 (F0AE) motor. I was mearly talking about how a 302 Ford V8 is considered an old school power plant.

[Kevin M]

I am not talking about taking a 67 Ford 302 block, hence the C7AE designation, and making it into a 1990 (F0AE) motor. I was mearly talking about how a 302 Ford V8 is considered an old school power plant.

And we are telling you that havign an old school engine does not give you an old school car.

'65 fastback with Triton V8 = old school.

'90 Mustang with C7AE = not old school.

'93 Impreza with '05 STi drivetrain swap = old school Impreza.

'07 WRX with '94 EJ22E = not old school, even though it has an old school motor.

Your CAR is not old school. Neither is your motor technically, but that's really splitting hairs.

[Nick Koan]

Your CAR is not old school. Neither is your motor technically, but that's really splitting hairs.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to be splitting hairs now or anything. That's not what we do.

[JonnydaJibba]

Damn this thread got saucy real fast.


I <3 Seccs. =D
yes, both kinds

[cody]

Yeah, we wouldn't want to be splitting hairs now or anything. That's not what we do.

lmao

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Your CAR is not old school. Neither is your motor technically, but that's really splitting hairs.

Your opinion. Which, like everyone else's, is worth about as much as the turd I just finished flushing down the toilet.

[sperry]

Your opinion. Which, like everyone else's, is worth about as much as the turd I just finished flushing down the toilet.
:lol: surly++

[Kevin M]

Your opinion. Which, like everyone else's, is worth about as much as the turd I just finished flushing down the toilet.

I can't outsurly that. :(

[100_Percent_Juice]

NevadaSTI -> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/newavatar.gif

[Kevin M]

Eh, we've all been there.

[cody]

:lol: shit.

[NevadaSTi]

NevadaSTI -> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/newavatar.gif


Beautifull, good thing I was out to a long lunch. I thought I might have missed something.

[Joeyy]

[QUOTE=100_Percent_Juice;95408]NevadaSTI -> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/newavatar.gif[/QUOTE

Looks like me at work today when the computer (aka pice of shit) I was working on started loading all kinds of automatic bull shit. I just needed to finish some simple task but no the computer wanted to go into some 30 minute long update or something. Glad to be done with that.

Now it's time to go test fit the 235s to see if I should roll the fenders or not. My 615s are ready but it would be a shame to leave the Yokohamas sitting in the garage on Sunday.

[Bob Danger]

I'll be out there on Sunday, to help out wherever I can. Whether it's helping out the noobs with the logistics, or using my services as an expert cone chaser.

[M3n2c3]

I won't be out either day. I've been sick all week.

[bxracer69]

I may come down just to hang out on sunday, shoot the shit.... unless it dumps more snow, which means Alpine will heavily out weigh the first option.

[cody]

How'd everyone do today? I know I had a hoot and a holler.

[Nick Koan]

I did done good I think.

I brought my time down from a 90+ to a 37.2 (plus a few cones, no clean runs so that what you'll have to go by).

I also enjoyed playing instructor when I really am only barely in a position of instructing people.

[cody]

I did done good I think.

I brought my time down from a 90+ to a 37.2 (plus a few cones, no clean runs so that what you'll have to go by).

I also enjoyed playing instructor when I really am only barely in a position of instructing people.
I watched you loop it pretty good in the afternoon. Alex got us going backward in the slalom. I've gone backward much faster though. :oops:

I did a bunch of 37's and a 36.3. :)

[wrxkidid]

i plan on running a 90+37 not a 90 and then decrease it to a 37.2 ROFL. im stoked for tomorrow.

[MikeK]

I did a bunch of 37's and a 36.3. :)

You were leading pax at the end of the first run group

[cody]

:) How'd the 2nd run group go? Did Matt beat the yellow Vette?

Damn it was cold out there. I paid to RNP in the afternoon, but said F that and went home. *shivers*

[wrxkidid]

i ran a 59.46 today +1 cone. my first run was a 66.1 so thats good :)

[Nick Koan]

Nice. Looking out my window at about 2-3ish I got jealous of the track temps.

I bet is was much nicer driving in 50-60 degree weather compared to the 36 degree temps we got in the morning.

[MattR]

No, I came close (If you call 2 seconds close :lol:) I was 3rd in overall PAX when I left at lunch, behind my classmates from Sacto...Overall, I felt great today.

[JonnydaJibba]

It warmed up a bit in the afternoon. The sun even came out a couple times. But it was that damn wind that made it real shitty. It was a cool course I had fun.

[MikeK]

No, I came close (If you call 2 seconds close :lol:) I was 3rd in overall PAX when I left at lunch, behind my classmates from Sacto...Overall, I felt great today.

You ended up 5th in pax, behind the 2 crazy BSP vette guys, a cart and Dave Jansen. The best part though ... if you take out the go-carts, you had the 3rd fastest RAW time of the day :devil: Incredible driving Matt, I can't wait to see what you do in warm weather on those hoosiers!

Scott has the results, he said he would post them tonight.

[cody]

Awesome. Oh, and the most "exciting" part of today was when Tyson lost control at the end of the slalom and "was coming right for us". I saw my life flash before my eyes (as we started running) but he regained control and got back on course. :D

[tysonK]

Awesome. Oh, and the most "exciting" part of today was when Tyson lost control at the end of the slalom and "was coming right for us". I saw my life flash before my eyes (as we started running) but he regained control and got back on course. :D

Yeah It would have took a lot of speed for me to slide all the way out there. I knew you guys must have been a little freaked but I already had my foot on the brake.

[Joeyy]

That was a full day with RNP in the afternoon.

[wrxkidid]

yea RNP in the afternoon kicked my ass. im so tired but thats how i got my best time haha.

last run of the day FTW

[A1337STI]

Yesterday trying to run through the slalom with 4 peeps in my car(at least 800+ lbs of people!) was a blast, and really magnified all the mistakes i was making. the spin out was fun though. think my tires are fine... :)


Today was a blast too. lil warmer weather would have been nice for working, but oh well! less traction and more HP made things very fun and challenging.

[sperry]

Results are up on www.renoscca.org.

Me and Cory took down SM in a 2.5RS. :devil: Also we beat all you ESP punks in RAW time with what's basically a DSP car w/ a carbon fiber hood. :P

[Nick Koan]

Damn, ESP had 9 competitors today :eek:

It was good fun, I just wish I could have gotten at least a little closer to Derrick and Cody.

[JonnydaJibba]

Awesome. Oh, and the most "exciting" part of today was when Tyson lost control at the end of the slalom and "was coming right for us". I saw my life flash before my eyes (as we started running) but he regained control and got back on course. :D

Yeah, that was fun.

[MPREZIV]

Me and Cory took down SM in a 2.5RS. :devil: Also we beat all you ESP punks in RAW time with what's basically a DSP car w/ a carbon fiber hood. :P


That's right Bitches!!!! :lol: That car was F*ing AWESOME out there! As fast as that course was, I didn't think it'd do that good... 3rd gear FTW!!!

That was just too much fun. And top 20 pax in my 1st SM event, not too shabby! :D

[MattR]

Scott, Mike, thanks for getting those results posted up so quickly, you guys Rock.

[cody]

Results are up on www.renoscca.org.

Me and Cory took down SM in a 2.5RS. :devil: Also we beat all you ESP punks in RAW time with what's basically a DSP car w/ a carbon fiber hood. :P

Nice work Fuckers...but I'm used to Cory beating me.

I noticed you guys getting into 3rd out there. I didn't realize that the RS was geared nice and low like that. :cool:

[cody]

Scott, Mike, thanks for getting those results posted up so quickly, you guys Rock.

+1

[sperry]

Nice work Fuckers...but I'm used to Cory beating me.

I noticed you guys getting into 3rd out there. I didn't realize that the RS was geared nice and low like that. :cool:
Dude.. 57.604 < 57.888. Cory beat you in raw time. In an RS. With less mods. How much more beat do you want to be? :P

[cody]

Yes, I realize Cory beat me in raw time. Did you think I meant 3rd place? I was talking about 3rd gear.

[MPREZIV]

3rd gear down the entire back of the course! Just pinned the throttle to the floor and TOSSED the car! :eek: It was almost scary, you couldn't get the car outta shape!

[JonnydaJibba]

On the slalom? I pinned it to the rev limited in second before that little chicane thingy. On my last run I got kinda gnarly. I think Brian and Alex probably saw it. You're car looked freakin hot out there. Even thought it was hella cold.

[MPREZIV]

Yes, I was catching 3rd at the last slalom cone, and hanging it through that chicane... That's where I ended up OWNING some cones on my last run tho... 56.6xx +2 :(

[Nick Koan]

Going flat out on that last chicane is where I got a little loose myself :p

But, I didn't hit any cones and I didn't spin (though I easily lost 1/2 a second).

[JonnydaJibba]

It's hard to judge (for me at least) exactly what is going on while it's happening, but I was just glad that I kept the car under control when the ass end kicked out 3 times and each time it felt progressively more tail happy. And no cones. =D And my quickest run. Even tho I never realized what I was supposed to be doing on the last turn until well after everything was over.

[sperry]

Yes, I realize Cory beat me in raw time. Did you think I meant 3rd place? I was talking about 3rd gear.
:lol: I thought you were stirring the pot and saying "Nice work fuckers (sarcasm)... but I'm used to Cory beating me and this time he didn't". I guess I'm just too used to the shit talking around here!

On a more serious note... Cody, you drove really well on Sunday. We give you ton's of shit around here (I guess simply 'cause you dole it out yourself and are a master of rolling with the punches), but it really is all in fun.

And in general, SECCS made quite the showing at round 1. Check out the PAX results... fully 1/3 of the points paying positions are SECCS members, and that's with 5 ringers from Sac that came up to put the smack down on us.

Oh and Cory, not to suggest that you swap classes but just to gauge our results, you and I would have finished 7th and 10th in overall PAX with the TDSP modifiers. And if your 56.6 had been clean, you would have been in 6th overall PAX, just a 10th behind MattR. :cool:

[MPREZIV]

Oh and Cory, not to suggest that you swap classes but just to gauge our results, you and I would have finished 7th and 10th in overall PAX with the TDSP modifiers. And if your 56.6 had been clean, you would have been in 6th overall PAX, just a 10th behind MattR. :cool:

Yeah, I usually compare my overall results against TDSP, but rules is rules, and frankly, I think it's more fun watching the other SM guys walk around scratching their heads 'cause I'm kickin' their asses! :devil:

[NevadaSTi]

On the slalom? I pinned it to the rev limited in second before that little chicane thingy. On my last run I got kinda gnarly. I think Brian and Alex probably saw it. You're car looked freakin hot out there. Even thought it was hella cold.


We saw you, it was pretty impresive. I remember thinking to myself, of course Alex said it out loud, "Damn, he was lucky he pulled that off!"

[cody]

Ha! No worries. I try to do all my shit talking before events to psych out the competition. Talking shit after is just mean. :P

[NevadaSTi]

BTW, Nice job Alex at kicking my butt!

[cody]

BTW, Nice job Alex at kicking my butt!

Alex kicked ass...9th in PAX. :eek:

[A1337STI]

On my last run i tried to just lift a bit on the throttle to make the chicane into that next right hander. but i got the car unsettled and didn't back off in that corner, was going to plow toward the outside cones so i lifted off the gas and touched the brakes and spun out. (maybe next time brake but stay where i was on the gas?) Then the course workers gave me big time shoulder shrug. (like maybe a Why did you lift / brake when you were on the verge of losing it) :lol: Highly entertaining! Felt like it was going to be a fast run, doh!

57.X with what? 90 HP and a few gerbils powering your car? That's just crazy talk! Very Very nice driving you two.

and on a side note it only took me 1 year to try out Auto on the DCCD. :oops:

[NevadaSTi]

RT615's and DCCD in Auto FTW!!!

Now all you need is a 32mm FSB

[JonnydaJibba]

We saw you, it was pretty impresive. I remember thinking to myself, of course Alex said it out loud, "Damn, he was lucky he pulled that off!"

I give full credit to my cars autopilot.

[zpeed]

Who took some pictures of my cousin Boxster sliding on Sat? He would like a copy.

[wrxkidid]

hey if you look at the raw times for RNP i got first!!!!!!! :LOL: hah no scott ran that 57.we just kept forgetting to switch the number on my car haha. so scott you won PAX for RNP and i got 3rd??
nice.

[sperry]

Just something I was thinking about while looking at the autox pictures from Sunday:

Cody, you didn't go back to your stock grill for round 1 did you? Which means that technically, with a 1st in class and 11th place PAX finish, you took a lot of points from people below you in a car that doesn't actually conform to your classes rules.

Now I know that the grill has no real performance benefit, but there are potentially people out there that won't see it that way. Plus, it's just not cool to knowingly run illegally. You probably should go back to your stock grill for ESP, or come play with us in SM.

Sorry to be a rule nazi, but if you're going to be running top-10 in PAX this season, you should be concerned with being legit... even if the rules are dumb.

[Nick Koan]

Don't forget the badging too.

Seriously though, when you start showing up in the top spots like that, the rule book gets a better chance of proverbially being thrown into your face. There were also a lot of ESP competitors and also now PAX competitors that might not be as forgiving.

Personally, if I were you, I'd err on the safe side and either go back to a stock grille and badging or into SM.

[NevadaSTi]

I was gonna say, don't forget about badging also. But I think it should be said that all the people around here who are running badge-less should get their bagdes put back on. Whether you have them or not.

[JonnydaJibba]

Pssh, eff badges.


(let's see me eat my words when I can't run novice anymore)

[cody]

What happens if sombody protests me? How does that work?

[Kevin M]

If the protest is upheld, you will be disqualified and not appear in the results.

[MPREZIV]

Yeah, some of those rules seem a bit "mis-directed" to say the least, but it's one of them things we gotta live with. Trust me, I know...

[cody]

Well honestly I wasn't too worried about getting protested...as long as I'm still able to compete. Like I told Brian when he got a ride on Sunday, if sombody feels they need to win by protesting an aesthetic mod that does nothing for performance, let 'em.

But I think swapping grills should be pretty easy. The stock one has a broken tab, but I don't think it's an important tab and even if it is, that's why god made zip ties. And I have the badges so I think I'll just glue them to a strip of magnet sheet.

It's funny but I'm less concerned with getting protested than I am with just not being a dick. It sounds like you guys are saying it's kind of a dick move to compete while knowingly breaking the rules. I can see that I guess.

[sperry]

It's funny but I'm less concerned with getting protested than I am with just not being a dick. It sounds like you guys are saying it's kind of a dick move to compete while knowingly breaking the rules. I can see that I guess.

To be honest, that's really what it boils down to. For example, does Cory's C/F hood really make that much of a difference? Sure it's a bunch lighter, but if you're cool to run with your grill overlooked, then why not overlook the hood too? ...next thing you know, I'm running for the CSP championship. :lol: Everyone knows it wouldn't go down like that, but we also know "the rules are the rules". When I was in STX, I too had to take the STi grill off and put back on the OEM one. :(

[Nick Koan]

And I remember you do that every event too Scott :lol:

What a pain, swap a grille for the weekend, swap the STi one back. Not like it takes a whole lot of time, but its still annoying.

[JonnydaJibba]

The main gripe I have with those rules is that it's not like a car debadged like mine or Cory's competes with the cars in class that the debadging puts us in. I mean there should be a kind of progession in bumping up classes for that kinda thing. Like if I'm in a stock class and I have a CF hood, I should go up one class, not to SM... But maybe I'm just noob babbling.

[cody]

I'm pretty sure that would add to the complexity and nobody wants that. The fact is that anybody can obtain the proper badges and body panels and compete along with everyone else. If this sport didn't encorporate so much homogenous requirements, it would get way more complex to the point that nobody could figure anything out...not that I can figure things out by RTFRB anyway. :lol:

[JonnydaJibba]

That make sense. But stupid sense. That would create extra boloney.

[sperry]

The main gripe I have with those rules is that it's not like a car debadged like mine or Cory's competes with the cars in class that the debadging puts us in. I mean there should be a kind of progession in bumping up classes for that kinda thing. Like if I'm in a stock class and I have a CF hood, I should go up one class, not to SM... But maybe I'm just noob babbling.
NASA time trials rules work this way. Each mod is assigned a point value. Add up all the points and figure out what class you're in. It's a cool idea, but nearly impossible to police, and just about as hard to figure out what class you're in without having an online form.

[Dean]

I am going to run SM this year due to my VF43. I have not been able to document that the engine is the same in 2007 vs. 2004, so technically, my Stock Turbo swap is not covered under update backdate. I probably made a mistake when I decided on the VF43, but to late now.

[soap box]
IMHO Rules are just that, Rules. No matter how stupid you believe one to be, they are what they are.

There really are no shades of gray with most of them.

If you knowingly run with something that does not comply with the rules, you are cheating, no matter how you justify it even if nobody protests.

I almost put on a full ALK for the track instead of the offset bushing and was going to resign myself to FP. I also thought about just running RNP all year.

If you just want to drive, you can, RNP twice a day and compare your times in any way you want.

If you want to compete, you need to follow the rules. That is what competition is all about. People agreeing to compete against one another based on a given set of rules.

Nobody is forcing you to autocross, or pick a class to run in, in fact we specifically give you the option not to worry about rules except for those related to safety called RNP.

Complaining on this forum will not change National rules or regional ones for that matter. Want to change either, get involved, and propose changes. New people getting involved is what spawned the creation of SM and ST classes after countless years of minimal changes to the "classic" classes.
[/soap box]

I pulled off a top 10 season PAX in a bone stock Miata. No $1000 shocks, extreme alignment, and not even the "Right" model/option package.

Stop bitching...

Shut up and drive.

And if you are willing to listen, I will certainly try and help you drive better.

[tysonK]

Here's the way I look at mickey mouse rules like the de-badging rule:

I look at it as buffer to help all the other rules. If you are simply told to go look the rule book b/c your car has an illegal grill or re-badging you are more likely to read *all* the rules associated with your class and others. We talk about the self policing, well we wouldn't have "police" if some us didn't read the rule book. Like others have said when you step up to a more intense auto-x arena you'll be better off to know the rules, and the only reason you know the rules is b/c you were told about your de-badging or wanted to find out for yourself?

[MikeK]

I am going to run SM this year due to my VF43. I have not been able to document that the engine is the same in 2007 vs. 2004, so technically, my Stock Turbo swap is not covered under update backdate. I probably made a mistake when I decided on the VF43, but to late now.


Oh snap! You definately picked the wrong turbo in that case. Is it too late to try and sell it used and buy something else?

[Joeyy]

I won't be out either day. I've been sick all week.

Check up. Are you feeling better?

[Joeyy]

Yeah, some of those rules seem a bit "mis-directed" to say the least, but it's one of them things we gotta live with. Trust me, I know...

Sometimes you even have to put up with people sticking things on your car.:cool:

[MPREZIV]

Yeah, but the Token magnet is AWESOME!!!! :lol:

[Nick Koan]

Yeah, but the Token magnet is AWESOME!!!! :lol:

Speaking of which, I forgot to make a post I've been waiting to make ever since the Australian GP this year.


Results are up on www.renoscca.org.

Me and Cory took down SM in a 2.5RS. Also we beat all you ESP punks in RAW time with what's basically a DSP car w/ a carbon fiber hood.

[David Hobbs]That's the darkest face we've ever seen on an SM podium[/David Hobbs]

[MPREZIV]

Very nice Nick! :lol:

[dknv]

Oh snap! You definately picked the wrong turbo in that case. Is it too late to try and sell it used and buy something else?Why, to run AS or BSP? I figure you SM guys would be welcoming Dean to the fast side ....

[dknv]

..If you want to compete, you need to follow the rules. That is what competition is all about. People agreeing to compete against one another based on a given set of rules.

Nobody is forcing you to autocross, or pick a class to run in, in fact we specifically give you the option not to worry about rules except for those related to safety called RNP.

Complaining on this forum will not change National rules or regional ones for that matter. Want to change either, get involved, and propose changes. New people getting involved is what spawned the creation of SM and ST classes after countless years of minimal changes to the "classic" classes.+1
Especially important to be squeaky clean on the rules if you are planning to compete at Hawthorne this year. I've never seen so much moaning & bitching & whining at an event about this or that being unfair, than I've seen at the N-S Challenge. :lol:

[sperry]

Why, to run AS or BSP? I figure you SM guys would be welcoming Dean to the fast side ....
I think Mike thinks Dean's turbo will be too small for SM competition. I actually think it will be just fine, as no one in SM seems able to really get deep into the boost on larger turbos at autocross. I don't expect the SM cars to be faster than Matt in BSP.

[dknv]

Oh and speaking of N-S Challenge - MikeK: please tell me your car will be sporting a sticker for your sponsor? :lol:

[Dean]

Why, to run AS or BSP? I figure you SM guys would be welcoming Dean to the fast side ....I think the question will be spool vs. HP... Scott and Mike will own the HP, but I will have the spool.

And this is likely the beginning of the smack talk...

[MPREZIV]

What's this "spool" stuff you guys keep talking about :?:




Handling>Horsepower :devil:

[cody]

Early spool is heavenly...trust me. :)

[Dean]

Handling>Horsepower :devil:Handling + Horsepower is even better... ;)

[dknv]

Handling + Horsepower is even better... ;)
Driver skill+handling+horsepower FTW

[sperry]

Driver skill+handling+horsepower FTW
Gobs of money + driver skill + handling + horsepower = unbeatable

[MikeK]

Spooling below 5000 RPM is for chumps

[MikeK]

Oh and speaking of N-S Challenge - MikeK: please tell me your car will be sporting a sticker for your sponsor? :lol:

If Pat was still around I would say yes :)

[Pat R.]

Who's your new sponsor?

[NevadaSTi]

Visa??

[Joeyy]

Who's your new sponsor?