Good point in part. I certainly would never recommend AGAINST good behind the wheel car control triaining, but I'd rather see someone with no formal training and some common sense behind the wheel of an STi, than a loose nut who thinks he's invincible because he doesn't hit cones at autocross. Proper training is an asset to a responsible driver, and quite potentially a liability in someone with poor judgement and a fast car.

:P

boys will be boys and it will not stop no mater how much coaching they get..................


................thats why my kids will get a 75hp street car :D

VW bug baby. That was my first car.1969 1500 single port with 61hp. Car was too slow to do anything stupid.
It is not my place to say that he shouldn't have got the STi as his first car. However, I will agree with Austin that because his actions on the road effect many motorist, we are entitled to are opinions on the subject.

W00t for VWs!

My mother, father, and sister all had Bugs for their first car. My first Bug was actually my second car. I got a hand-me-down Cavalier which my mother totaled. Then I got my 71 Standard. I learned how to drive in the snow with that car, and I it was the first of my cars that I worked on.

I got an '87 ford bronco for my first car...

My first car was a PURPLE 1988 Mazda RX-7 it was so awesome.

my first care was an IROC Z .. lol i was 14..lol

I loved my first car! Paid $400 for an '84 ford LTD. It was an old detectives car. The performance motor V8. It was a land yacht. It was fast, and big, and a whole lotta fun until I cracked the block. I didn't know any better.

My 1982 Audi 4000 5-spd had a whopping 74hp when it rolled out of the factory. I remember the number distinctly from the owner's manual. :lol:

and look how we all turned out. I'm telling yah if you want your kids to think of other things to do then street race you can't give them a fast car to start with....................nature of the beast

Not exactly. If you raise your kid right, he should behave himself regardless of the car he's driving. Failing to do so can't be corrected by giving him a POS to learn in. Look at how many kids have street racing incidents in 1.5 liter civics and the like.

Based on my behavior (I wasn't really misbehaved, but I did drive beyond my distance and #of passengers boundaries) I will probably want to equip the car my kids will drive with a gps or some kind of tracking mechanism. :lol: As well as lots of safety features.

Theoretically.

ok you got me there :roll:

what you need to know is its not how you raise your kids, it's more about who your kids friends are when it comes to racing 1.5 liter's illegaly. Besides the 1.5's your talking about are not stock and thier still idiots!!! :lol: I'm saying my kids first car/truck will be the furthest thing from anything that could or would be raced in any condition. Then I will teach them in the family race car, where is the safest place to race. Hell I might even tell thier friends to come along so they can still get "mad street cred" for being a racer!

Either way you cant teach your kids not to do dumb shit (its bound to happen they have thier perents to think for that), you just hope they learn from the little shit and never find themselves in the deep shit. :wink:

I think its how you raise your kids, which eventually turns out to include YOU telling them(kids) what types of friends to watch out for(ie. bad peers)

:)

Mike, that's a bunch of shit! :lol:

All this talk about shit reminds me of a memo I once got:
In order to assure the highest levels of quality work and productivity from employees, it will be our policy to keep all employees well trained through our program of Special High Intensity Training (SHIT).
We are trying to give our employees more SHIT than anyone else. If you feel that you do not receive your share of SHIT on the job, please see your manager. You will be immediately placed at the top of the SHIT list. Our managers are especially skilled at seeing that you get all the SHIT you can handle.
Employees who don't take their SHIT will be placed in the Departmental Employee Evaluation Program (DEEP SHIT). Those who fail to take DEEP SHIT seriously will have to go to Employee Attitude Training (EAT SHIT). Since our managers took SHIT before they were promoted, they don't have to do SHIT anymore, as they are full of SHIT already.
If you are full of SHIT, you may be interested in a job training others. We can add your name to our Basic Understanding Lecture List (BULLSHIT). Those who are full of BULLSHIT will get the SHIT jobs and can apply for promotion to Director of Intensity Programming (DIP SHIT).
If you have further questions, please direct them to our Head Of Training, Special High Intensity Training (HOT SHIT).
Thank you,
Boss In General, Special High Intensity Training (BIG SHIT)

Wouldn't that be "DIT SHIT"?

oops, fixed it.

my point is that Sam was raised right.....................so what happened???? It can not be as easy as how you raise your kids. If you think you can raise your kid (s) not to street race, then by all means tell us your secret as I'm sure a lot of parents would like to know how to do that?

IMO I think children who drive lead 2 lives. The parents see a child who was raised right and respects the rules of the road. However when said child is behind the wheel in front of his peers, common sense can fly out the window.

Well, the 1st thing to note, is that not all kids are into cars as they grow up. I really wasn't that into 'em until college... I was a computer nerd before then (and some would argue, since then as well). So if your kids aren't motorheads, I don't think there's much to worry about.

Now then, if I had a kid that *was* into cars, I'd do everything I could to help them persue that interest. I'd have no problem helping them to buy and mod their car. I'd support any racing series they're interested in... even if it's drifting or drag racing :lol:. But I'd make it very clear... if you get caught screwing around on the street... it's all over. No car, no racing, no nothing. Your ass is bus bait.

The hope is that since I'd try to involve them in the sport early, not only would they have good driving ability, they'd also have respect for the danger as well. (Sorta like raising kids around guns... they know how to handle 'em, and they respect the danger, without being scared little panzies about it.) Coupled w/ the threat of losing their driving/racing privledges, I'd hope they'd have enough sense to keep it legal on the street, even if/when their idiot friends goad them on.

'Course, I've got no kids, so I'm just speculating.

That's EXACTLY how I plan to handle kids when they're learning to drive. It's understandable for young people to simply not believe there's actual danger in driving too carelessly or too fast. But giving them a hard, concrete case of what will happen to them, immediately, if they screw up goes a lot farther towards regulating behavior.

I don't know about that... most of the guys in the band in HS weren't car guys at all, and we still ended up playing "car tag" racing WOT around the local neighborhood streets at 1am on a Saturday night. :shock: