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A1337STI 2009-05-07 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey (Post 133728)
I hate the marketing language everyone uses. Guys, your cars come with "coil-over" struts from the factory. That is what the standard MacPherson strut design consists of. "Coil-over" is a general term, simply meaning the spring is located co-axially with the strut/shock.

What everyone sells as a "coil-over" kit is just a strut/shock with a threaded body, and springs/perches/etc, so that ride-height is easily adjustable.

+1 to that.

K-sports makes a tarmac version of their coilovers (same housing stiffer springs, different damper rates i believe) $1200 ish ? My pillow ball mounts are just now starting to make noise, and i've driven on them soo hard. Car has been jumped at least a dozen times.

Cory's and Kevin's coil overs are awesome, btw maybe look into them?

If i can find a good enough deal i may be buying SPT-pink STI coil overs (only using the dampers) I'll have some STI pink springs and top hats you could buy off me :D maybe mate those with the tokico Dspecs ? (not sure if they would have enough dampening for those) :?:

WRX06TR 2009-05-07 01:01 PM

What do Cory and Kevin run?

The D-specs should be able to handle pinks. RCE designed the yellow springs after the pinks but with a firmer spring rate. I haven't heard anything wrong about the D-specs, yet, but it does seem like a lot of work for a rigged up suspension, plus it is close to KW price.

cody 2009-05-07 01:04 PM

Cory and Kevin Run Tein Flex coilovers, as does Nick H on his LGT.

k-dogg39 2009-05-07 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 133761)
We'll have to wait until after the fender rolling meet I'm thinking of having with Aaron's roller this Summer, but that would be awesome if I could test fit yours. Are they on 17X8's?

Yup. 17x8 +45 RPF1's. I have pretty minimal roll on my fenders as well with no rubbing issues...

And yes I am on Flex's, very happy with them!

cody 2009-05-07 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by k-dogg39 (Post 133770)
Yup. 17x8 +45 RPF1's. I have pretty minimal roll on my fenders as well with no rubbing issues...

And yes I am on Flex's, very happy with them!

Nice, that's exactly the size/offset wheel I hope to run with 245/40/17's some day. Let me know if you ever want to sell them. I would definitely like to test fit them after I roll my fenders.

Kevin M 2009-05-07 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 133765)
Cory and Kevin Run Tein Flex coilovers, as does Nick H on his LGT.

Other Kevin is running RaceComp Tarmac IIs on his RS, and ran them on his wagon before that.

Kevin M 2009-05-07 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 133773)
Nice, that's exactly the size/offset wheel I hope to run with 245/40/17's some day. Let me know if you ever want to sell them. I would definitely like to test fit them after I roll my fenders.

If you want, you can stop by and try on the Volks as a "worst case" scenario. 245/40 RE-01Rs on 17x8.5 +52. I have tons of spacers, so you could use them to figure out exactly what your maximum offset would be to fit a similar setup.

cody 2009-05-07 03:57 PM

Yah, I bet 3-10mm of spacers would be necessary given that width and offset. :eek:

And don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person. It's creepy. :P

Kevin M 2009-05-07 10:44 PM

But it's funny when he blames Jesus for his blown motor, right?

cody 2009-05-08 10:19 AM

Wat?

Kevin M 2009-05-08 11:46 AM

Old Chris Rock reference, sort of.

sperry 2009-05-11 08:44 AM

Hey, would you look at this: http://www.seccs.org/forums/showthre...952#post133952

cody 2009-05-11 09:25 AM

What's the difference between Super Street and Flex?

MPREZIV 2009-05-11 11:18 AM

If I recall correctly, SS doesn't come with top-mounts, (I.E. no pillowball mounts, no camber plates. You just re-use your stockers, or find some others.) and doesn't have as much fine tuning available for the dampeners, (16 way vs. 32 or something on the Flex's). I also think the SS kit does not have separate ride height and spring pre-load adjustment. Flex does.

WRX06TR 2009-05-12 08:59 PM

Hey, so what do you think of these?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1759601

ZEAL B6 coilovers with 20k on them...Coming off Dan Avon's badass black GT35R bugeye. For $950?

Dean 2009-05-12 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR (Post 134079)
Hey, so what do you think of these?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1759601

ZEAL B6 coilovers with 20k on them...Coming off Dan Avon's badass black GT35R bugeye. For $950?

Would not be high on my list.

WRX06TR 2009-05-12 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean (Post 134080)
Would not be high on my list.

Why not? I thought ZEAL was pretty respectable...

Dean 2009-05-12 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR (Post 134083)
Why not? I thought ZEAL was pretty respectable...

There are more mature, better respected companies and better engineered products IMHO. And that price is a tad high.

Kevin M 2009-05-12 10:15 PM

First I've heard of Zeal Function products being "underengineered." Anything specific you can cite Dean?

WRX06TR 2009-05-12 10:30 PM

Huh...I've been browsing NASIOC and haven't heard anything bad about ZEAL...I don't think the price is too bad. 950 doesn't seem too unfair plus I was going to offer him 850 and drive to Cali and go pick them up. And 20K; does that mean they will need to be rebuilt?

sperry 2009-05-12 10:43 PM

Zeal makes decent stuff, but it's overpriced for what you get because it's so "mad tight JDM" like Cusco, Gready, HKS, etc. Personally, I'd rather have those used Tein Super Streets for a fair price (like $600 IMO) than Zeals. It's not like you're going to be racing in a JCTC grand prix any time soon in your WRX.

WRX06TR 2009-05-12 11:06 PM

Yeah...but Sedona has those Tein SS for sale for 900 :lol: IDK guess prices are hit and miss..

sperry 2009-05-13 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR (Post 134090)
Yeah...but Sedona has those Tein SS for sale for 900 :lol: IDK guess prices are hit and miss..

So offer $600, and wait until he realizes he's asking to get Tein Flex prices for Super Streets.

Or wait 'till a set comes up on NASIOC at a lower price. Either way, buying Zeals when you've already stated you don't really need the adjustability is a waste of money. Plus, they'll probably clunk on you due to the pillowball top mounts.

Dean 2009-05-13 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M (Post 134085)
First I've heard of Zeal Function products being "underengineered." Anything specific you can cite Dean?

Didn't say they were ""underengineered"", just basically that there is better stuff out there and they would not be on my preference list.

I am about bang or your buck, and don't think they are great in that respect.

WRX06TR 2009-05-13 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 134092)
So offer $600, and wait until he realizes he's asking to get Tein Flex prices for Super Streets.

Or wait 'till a set comes up on NASIOC at a lower price. Either way, buying Zeals when you've already stated you don't really need the adjustability is a waste of money. Plus, they'll probably clunk on you due to the pillowball top mounts.

True, I guess I was just looking at prices. Figuring I was going to spend close to 1k so why not pick up what I find in that price range...thanks though. How bad is clunking? I can't recall riding in a car with camber plates and hearing it..


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