Like I said before, I think this is a very thoughtful idea and my hat is off to you guys. The main issue (I think) is that 98% of SECCS members don't care to get the SECCS name out in the community. I can understand both sides of the coin. On one side you guys want to get your club out there in a positive way, which is great. Then the other sid that libila mentioned, doing it just to do it. Without emphasis on an organization. Either way I hope some good can come from it.

Not at all. A little publicity would probably be good for us actually. We just would rather avoid the negative attention that comes from an association with street racing. The toy drive idea is excellent, and we all really hope it works out. Most of us are even willing to contribute in some way. We just don't want our club associated with the one thing we have worked hard for years to prevent.

There will be no association with any street racing just all the car clubs mostly imports getting together for one cause.. Flat4 will be heading this up i would love just for the two clubs to hook up but all are invited...

Like I had told one of the guys on the Flat4 site, its all about the SubiLuv, not the club love.

Bottom line: Worry about the kids first, drama later.

You guys are missing the point. We like the cause, and there's no club "beef" or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

Straight up, SECCS can and will not be associated in name with any club that condones or advocates street racing. It goes against everything this club stands for. It's not who we associate with, it's who associates *behavior* with us based on past incidents.....like law enforcement. We're (for the most part) a bunch of old farts who don't want SECCS synonymous with the "tooner" scene and keep a low profile for that reason.

The more attention the toy drive gets, the stronger the association is with the clubs involved, so we're at cross-purposes; we don't want the clubs to be interchangeable, as they each have their own identities and should stay that way. I'm sure people here will donate, they're just not wanting to be an official part of the publicity or drives/rallies around it. Make sense?

so are you saying NO ONE from seccs does street racing or has

It's not street racing if its in a slow car. Right?

No. We're saying that no person in the club will admit to it, advocate it publicly, or get caught at it. The people who do street race usually end up drifting away from SECCS relatively quickly. In fact, I can't think of anybody getting "kicked out" for street racing. But street racers don't like us any more than we like them.

Literally?

Exactly Joel. The Saturn doesn't count. So you're safe! :lol:

Sometimes. :lol: