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dknv 2006-03-26 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
He's driving Mike Khamis' car. :eek:

:eek: Lucky Dave!

I wish I could stop being wistful about not having bought an STi!@

doubleurx 2006-03-27 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv
:lol: ... Until you get to the age (or lapse of reason) that there was a question to begin with, and you are just left with the idea that you had a question and you wish you could remember what it was ... like me!

And that my dear is why every time I step over a puddle, I think red!...............................no blue!

dknv 2006-03-27 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
And that my dear is why every time I step over a puddle, I think red!...............................no blue!

what's this about, arteries & veins? Oprah?

Forgotten 2006-03-27 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Pete's going back to ESP isn't he?

I'm going to be in SM, I have a few things that put me in there that would be too much trouble to take off( Hoodscoop, Blowoff Valve). So that is 9 in SM and counting.

sperry 2006-03-27 10:27 AM

Damn, SM is going to be retarded this season! :lol: I thought I'd have a pretty good shot, but there's way too much competition now. Can I run EM? ;)

Kevin M 2006-03-27 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
And that my dear is why every time I step over a puddle, I think red!...............................no blue!

I only think that when I'm defusing bombs.

MattR 2006-03-27 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
Damn, SM is going to be retarded this season! :lol: I thought I'd have a pretty good shot, but there's way too much competition now. Can I run EM? ;)

Don't be a sissy, you're car "on paper" should clean up. You're my pre-season pick as class winner. Although it will be a very competitive class.

sperry 2006-03-27 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR
Don't be a sissy, you're car "on paper" should clean up. You're my pre-season pick as class winner. Although it will be a very competitive class.

Dude, Dave Deborde's running in Khamis' car. Dave's got more experience than the rest of us combined, and I've seen Mike's dyno chart... it looks like mine, 'cept he's making *more* torque than I am! :lol: There's my pick for SM winner. :lol:

Then there's you and Mike who I know can drive as well as me, and the rest of the grid that I can't guarentee aren't as fast as me (if that makes sense, read it carefully). So basically, my car on paper might seem like the class winner, but that's just the car on paper. Reality is going to be far more interesting.

MattR 2006-03-27 01:26 PM

[QUOTE= Reality is going to be far more interesting.[/QUOTE]


It is all very exciting, and you're right, we can specualte all we want, but we won't know until the first event.

NevadaSTi 2006-03-27 03:17 PM

Yeah, something could break. OOPS, I said it. Knock on wood, no a big tree!

MikeK 2006-03-27 03:28 PM

I vote for Jim K and Victor. They have a year's worth of SM experience.

Kevin M 2006-03-27 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR
It is all very exciting, and you're right, we can specualte all we want, but we won't know until the last event.

Fixed, more than likely.

ivanko 2006-03-27 03:51 PM

Most likely TESP or TEM depending on where tech puts me. Hope to have the truck sorted out better this year compared to last year and run more than just one event as I did in '05.

sperry 2006-03-27 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanko
Most likely TESP or TEM depending on where tech puts me. Hope to have the truck sorted out better this year compared to last year and run more than just one event as I did in '05.

Good to see you'll be back this year, I can't wait to see what that Syclone can do!

Kevin M 2006-03-27 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanko
Most likely TESP or TEM depending on where tech puts me. Hope to have the truck sorted out better this year compared to last year and run more than just one event as I did in '05.

Well, tech isn't responsible for classing, but we'll help you out as much as we can if you ask. If you can make it to the meet at 6 pm this week I will go over your mods and try to sort it out with you. I would be surprised if you got bumped all the way up to EM though. (no street tire in Modified. :( )

sperry 2006-03-27 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Well, tech isn't responsible for classing, but we'll help you out as much as we can if you ask. If you can make it to the meet at 6 pm this week I will go over your mods and try to sort it out with you. I would be surprised if you got bumped all the way up to EM though. (no street tire in Modified. :( )

If I remember correctly, the Syclone's got a turbo on it doesn't it? That'll kick you out of ESP. However, I think it's legal in SM... so there's no need to jump all the way to Modified.

Kevin M 2006-03-27 05:57 PM

Didn't know about the replaced turbo, I had thought it was just exhaust/boost controller mainly. SM legality will depend on what exactly was done to the suspension.

ivanko 2006-03-27 09:02 PM

Chrome moly tubular 3 link suspension front and rear with coil overs. No more chuck wagon rear suspension!

Brakes have been upgraded to corvette C5 Z06 calipers and Baer 2 piece rotors. I have a brake bias issue still which hampered me last year. Working out the bugs.

Chassis has been stiffened.

Some problems with the engine stalling. Should figure out soon.

Joeyy 2006-03-27 11:18 PM

Should be in TESP, well I think so anyway.

Kevin M 2006-03-27 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanko
Chrome moly tubular 3 link suspension front and rear with coil overs. No more chuck wagon rear suspension!

Brakes have been upgraded to corvette C5 Z06 calipers and Baer 2 piece rotors. I have a brake bias issue still which hampered me last year. Working out the bugs.

Chassis has been stiffened.

Some problems with the engine stalling. Should figure out soon.

Yep, Modified. Sucks. :(

Kevin M 2006-03-27 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyy
Should be in TESP, well I think so anyway.

What are your mods again? With a stock turbo and brakes, it's unlikely you're out of ESP, but there are little things that can bite you. STi hood scoop, bypass valve, etc.

MikeK 2006-03-28 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ivanko
Some problems with the engine stalling.

That puts you into modified for sure :P

doubleurx 2006-03-28 09:07 AM

Quick question for you tech inspection folks. I am going to try to come out this weekend pending my work schedule. I remember somewhere someone discussing coolant overflow reservoirs. Well I don't have one. It was never flagged at past track days. Do you think this will be a problem?

Or is the shenanigans group allowed these sort of shenanigans in their engine compartment. I am also waiting on my tires which will really make my decision for this weekend. I only have snow tires and what little tread I have left on them, I need for the rest of our season up here.

Thanks

sperry 2006-03-28 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
Quick question for you tech inspection folks. I am going to try to come out this weekend pending my work schedule. I remember somewhere someone discussing coolant overflow reservoirs. Well I don't have one. It was never flagged at past track days. Do you think this will be a problem?

Or is the shenanigans group allowed these sort of shenanigans in their engine compartment. I am also waiting on my tires which will really make my decision for this weekend. I only have snow tires and what little tread I have left on them, I need for the rest of our season up here.

Thanks

You need a 1 quart coolant overflow catch can, at least for trials, I'm not sure what Solo requires, but it's probably similar.

The Perrin FMIC should have come w/ a replacment catchcan that mounts behind the driver's side headlight. Technically, that can's not large enough, but may get you past tech. If you're missing your Perrin can, I've got mine off the car you can borrow for tech/buy off me if you want. It's a pretty quick install.

Since I've relocated my battery, I'm looking into a larger can that will hold some extra coolant w/ a cap like the OEM one to go in the area where my battery was. For now, here's my solution, which is something you could probably rig up as well for next to zero $:




doubleurx 2006-03-28 10:29 AM

I do not have my perrin one. That is pretty classic Scott. I will see what I can find around the garage. Is this something I would need to do before AC school this weekend?

sperry 2006-03-28 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
I do not have my perrin one. That is pretty classic Scott. I will see what I can find around the garage. Is this something I would need to do before AC school this weekend?

It's a good idea... in fact, as it is, I don't know how you're not spraying coolant all over the place as the car heats up!

On my car, I'll go from an empty catchcan to about 0.5" to 1" of coolant in it after romping around. As the car cools down, the reserve is sucked back into the system as the pressure drops. How's your car plumbed right now that it doesn't leak? Is your overflow just capped off? :eek:

doubleurx 2006-03-28 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
It's a good idea... in fact, as it is, I don't know how you're not spraying coolant all over the place as the car heats up!

On my car, I'll go from an empty catchcan to about 0.5" to 1" of coolant in it after romping around. As the car cools down, the reserve is sucked back into the system as the pressure drops. How's your car plumbed right now that it doesn't leak? Is your overflow just capped off? :eek:

Wait, these things aren't air cooled?!









It's not capped off, but it doesn't appear to overflow? Maybe I'm just low on coolant? The only time I ever noticed the temp guage go above normal was at RFR when it was over 100 (even then, I don't remember seeing any coolant on the ground). I just attributed the higher temp do to the temp outside and the FMIC blocking airflow. I am installing some new crucial items that should help, but it does make me wonder about how much coolant is in the system.

Kevin M 2006-03-28 12:21 PM

3.3.3.B.7 has your answer I think Nick. It says Prepared and Modified cars need a 1 quart tank, but they probably expect only those cars to have the OE one removed. :p So, you have to have something, but even the old Windex bottle will pass as long as there's little chance of leaks before it gets there. And definitely check your coolant level, I'm sure you're low now.

Also, if the tube to your catch tank doesn't go all the way to the bottom, then your system won't syphon the overflow back into the system when it cools down. But that just means that next time you reach that temp, it won't overflow again. ;) That's why you never noticed any overflow spillage- it only happened once and you missed it then. ;) On the dyno maybe?

doubleurx 2006-03-28 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
3.3.3.B.7 has your answer I think Nick. It says Prepared and Modified cars need a 1 quart tank, but they probably expect only those cars to have the OE one removed. :p So, you have to have something, but even the old Windex bottle will pass as long as there's little chance of leaks before it gets there. And definitely check your coolant level, I'm sure you're low now.

Also, if the tube to your catch tank doesn't go all the way to the bottom, then your system won't syphon the overflow back into the system when it cools down. But that just means that next time you reach that temp, it won't overflow again. ;) That's why you never noticed any overflow spillage- it only happened once and you missed it then. ;) On the dyno maybe?


Looks down at green stain on shirt...........oh?


Thanks for the info. I will try to rig something up this week. Should be good for a laugh at least.

A1337STI 2006-03-28 03:39 PM

After reading over the stock/ street touring/ street prepared sections of the rule book i'm a bit more confused then before ever reading it .

Stock Class : Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Touring, Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate.

Street Touring : 14.4 WHEELS
A. Any wheels up to 7.5" in width that fit over stock brakes.

So is a Stock STI in Street prepared ? if i have RE070's and that's stock will i still get a "T" designation in front (of SP ) so TSP ? (sounds like all the 1st timers are in novice no matter what) but i certainly would like to know what my classing would be if i was not automatically novice designation (and i fully belive i belong in novice just wondering):
Again i have a 2005 STI , Minus my K&N short ram air intake its Bone Stock . what class would i be in with out the k&N (sp becuase of equipment ? the rims are 8" from the factory"

NevadaSTi 2006-03-28 03:48 PM

I looked at the weather for the rest of the week, looks like ran / snow through the weekend. So, the coolant on the ground shouldn't be an issue if its raining. LOL.

sperry 2006-03-28 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by A1337STI
After reading over the stock/ street touring/ street prepared sections of the rule book i'm a bit more confused then before ever reading it .

Stock Class : Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Touring, Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate.

Street Touring : 14.4 WHEELS
A. Any wheels up to 7.5" in width that fit over stock brakes.

So is a Stock STI in Street prepared ? if i have RE070's and that's stock will i still get a "T" designation in front (of SP ) so TSP ? (sounds like all the 1st timers are in novice no matter what) but i certainly would like to know what my classing would be if i was not automatically novice designation (and i fully belive i belong in novice just wondering):
Again i have a 2005 STI , Minus my K&N short ram air intake its Bone Stock . what class would i be in with out the k&N (sp becuase of equipment ? the rims are 8" from the factory"

Try reading the rules again. Your stock wheels are of course allowed in stock. So there's no reason to try to apply the ST wheel rules to your car, unless you've got other mods that bump you into ST or SP.

Second, STI's are not legal in STS, which has the 7.5" wheel width limitation. Because of the STI's displacement, it's a STU car, which can run 8" width wheels (if not larger, I don't remember the rules for STU).

Third, "SP" isn't a class. The STI is in BSP, or "B Street Prepared". There are multiple classes for each level: ASP, BSP, CSP, etc. Just like there are multiple stock classes: AS, BS, CS, etc. Just like there are multiple Street Touring classes: STS, STX, STU, etc.

And yes, the rules are confusing. One thing that may help is to realise that it used to be basically 4 levels: Stock, Street Prepared, Prepared, Modified. Then they added Street Touring and Street Modified to try and get participation from the street tuner type cars. So you used to simply travel up the line as you moded the car, Stock -> Street Prepared -> Prepared -> Modified. Today you have more choices: Stock -> Street Prepared or Street Touring -> Prepared or Street Modified -> Modified. There is overlap between the different levels.

In general terms, here are the classes the STI is legal in, depending on mods:

Stock: AS or TAS
Street Prepared: BSP or TBSP
Street Touring: STU
Street Modified: SM or TSM

I'm not sure what class it ended up in for Prepared or Modified, but my car isn't even to that level yet, so you won't have to worry.

Kevin M 2006-03-28 04:14 PM

+1 on confusing rules. No wheel width limitations in STU, but AWD cars are limited to 245 width tires.

Dean 2006-03-29 12:01 PM

I think I should co-drive Scotts car in SM and kick all your butts... ;)

cody 2006-03-29 12:02 PM

Uh oh, he's back.

tysonK 2006-03-29 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean
I think I should co-drive Scotts car in SM and kick all your butts... ;)

If you were a real man you'd up your boost and run your car in SM!

sperry 2006-03-29 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean
I think I should co-drive Scotts car in SM and kick all your butts... ;)

Dude, I'm scared to drive my own car... I don't think I've got the nerves to let someone else drive it. I have nightmares that it blows up the 1st time I race it like last season.

MattR 2006-03-29 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
Dude, I'm scared to drive my own car... I don't think I've got the nerves to let someone else drive it. I have nightmares that it blows up the 1st time I race it like last season.

" I get that feelin' too man..."
- Lance

Forgotten 2006-03-29 05:18 PM

So who is going to step up and throw some 315s on?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...II/stompy2.jpg

A1337STI 2006-03-29 08:51 PM

Wow!!! those are slicks too huh?

bxracer69 2006-03-29 10:53 PM

ill be running sm this year, when i get some cash flow

Pat R. 2006-04-06 05:35 PM

The TSM class is bigger by two: a Mustang and a WS6 Fireturkey.

XActive 2006-04-06 05:58 PM

Looks like I am going to try Novice and Stock (not sure the class of stock yet). I will have to get the class or my engine displacement.

SlickNick112 2006-04-06 08:23 PM

Stock 06 STi is AS, with a displacement of 2.5L

Kevin M 2006-04-06 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R.
The TSM class is bigger by two: a Mustang and a WS6 Fireturkey.

Were they out this past weekend? I recall overhearing a little rivalry between a WS6 driver and someone in a mustang.

A1337STI 2006-04-06 10:15 PM

I recall one of the mustang drivers saying he had a 67 on the forward course (stands out in my mind cuase it was one of the few times slower then mine) :D probably different mustangs though

Pat R. 2006-04-07 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Were they out this past weekend? I recall overhearing a little rivalry between a WS6 driver and someone in a mustang.

Yes they were. They both work at Adams Custom Engines on Glendale.

MattR 2006-04-07 06:53 AM

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Mustang vs. WS6???? Sounds like a cripple fight to me.....
I kid, I kid...:lol:

A1337STI 2006-04-07 10:42 AM

i love a good cripple fight


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