Here's a thread on the street racing board regarding the accident...
http://nolimitimports.com/phpBB2/vie...=asc&start=135

rememebr guys, no need for a forum war or anything, I just thought you'd be interested to see what went on.

Yeah, the week after that they had cops everywhere keeping an eye on the kids. Even a chopper :eek:

I met him a couple years ago and I see his car from time to time. He is a good guy.

So, other Reno-ites, this may be slightly off-topic, but has anyone noticed the amount of streetracer asshat action that takes place on McCarran between Plumas and Kietzke and on around counter-clockwise? It is absolutely insane, crotch-rockets, ricers (yes, I've seen 'New Era' vinegar-bags blasting around, too), all sorts of craziness. I am so surprised that there is not a crackdown happening, they would generate some revenue and get some unsafe idiots off of a busy street. It is staggering and scary. I was pushed around and cut off by a group of four bikers on friday night, and an saturday night at only 8:30, a line of ghetto-fabulous hondas and such ran the red in the left turn lane and almost took out some folks. What the shit is this crap and where is RPD???? Don't they want more Charger and Magnum police cruisers? Get these fuckers, fine them, auction their cars, do something....I am definitely going to make a call to 334-COPS, and register a complaint or report, but I have trouble believing that they don't know this already. Anyone else, or am I just plum crazy?

It sounds like the guy in the SRT-4 is the same old guy we met a long ime ago at 4th Turn with the Silver SRT-4?

From that thread:

That's like saying, "well he shouldn't have stood in front of those guys shooting their guns into the crowd." :roll:

Wow. That entire forum is scary, and I'm willing to bet that many of the asshats that I referred to in post #54 are members of that forum. Truly, truly scary that there are that many 'avid' street racers in this area who think that it is not only OK, but cool.
*sigh* At least they are stupid enough to identify themselves with their photos there. I saw a couple idiot cars that I've seen around town. Hopefully the cops monitor that site.
I'm glad our Subys crash alot better than CRX's do, in case of projectile douchebags hurtling down the road, we have better (although only slightly) chances of survival.

Don't be ignorant, no one there posts their picture. Most of the people there are responsible people who set up races away from people and spectators. I have already said my stance on street racing and if people go about it the proper way then they dont endanger anyone but themselves which I have no problem with. It is their life and they can choose what they want to do with it as long as its not effecting others. Read more of the posts on the site. 1/5 of the members tell people to NOT streetrace and take it to the track often using the moto "You pay for it either way" so please dont group people together esspecially such a diverse group. I am a member of the forum and I post fairly often but it doesn't mean I go zipping through the town being an asshat. A lot of them respect you so maybe you should return it. Having a stance on street racing is one thing but generalizing is another. You might as well say "lololol american cars can only go in a straight line lolzzzz my toyota corolla type S could go in circles around youzzz hahhahehh"

If you think that there arent people who irresponsable on tracks then you have a very scewed view. There are idiots no matter where you go and that will never change. Yes, there are more idiots who call themselves streetracers and go down to circuit city being dumb asses but believe me when I say its not for everyone. And not all "streetracers" go about it in idiotic ways. As long as the person acknowledges they are doing something illegal and they must accept the consequences for it then whats wrong with it. There are plenty of illegal actions people doing everyday that we accept and dont tell cops about, the most prominent being drug use. Don't tell me you dont know ONE person who does drugs...its statistically impossible yet you have never turned them to the cops have you? Please consider all of these things before making statements about the "streetracing crowd"

The Fuzz need an informant on the inside, to track down these guys, and crush their cars... with them still in it.

Agreed. I'm not ashamed to admit that I go down to Circuit City on the weekends and hang out with some friends. Doesn't make me a douchebag streetracer for doing so.

We must infiltrate their ranks, breed with their women, and in time our differences will be forgotten..

Hold on, easy now. First off, and disgaree if you must, but racing on the street has no proper way. it simply does not belong. Nobody has complete control over what goes on around them, it has the very real and extremely high potential to endanger and injure/kill others no matter how 'smart' they think they are being and how they 'go about it'. It is always a crapshoot. Streetracing is idiotic, the odds are similar to that of roulette, the worst in the house. And as for the drug user analogy, yeah, I know many, and if they were endangering me or others through their habits (the main difference being that their choices mostly affect only themselves), you bet your ass I would take action whether it was police action or what have you. Simply put racing on the street is flagrant disregard for other people, no matter the location or manner of how its gone about. The consequences of a mishap have much probability to include people that had nothing to do with it. So if that's generalizing too much, I'll live with the fact that I generalize. I've seen too many trauma cases at work due to all manners of auto wrecks to not generalize.

So your friends wait 3 hours after smoking to drive? They dont do crack, meth, heroine, lsd, or shrooms all of which can very easily effect other people? I am not mad at you or your beliefs but merly trying to educate you. Do you download illegal music and or programs which makes artists and record companies less money? Have you ever broken the speed limit, not turned on your blinker, answered a cell phone call? All of these have about the same probabilty of causing a life ending accident, actually they are even more probable than a SMART streetrace causing an accident. Since you have never been part of this scene I guess you don't realize that many of the high stake races with cars that are actually fast are done on PRIVATE roads where someone is not going to be killed who is innocent. I don't condone what goes down on fridays and saturdays at all and I wish it would stop but that doesn't mean street racing should stop IMO. Not to mention it will never stop even if there were free tracks, so why not support the people who take as many precautions as possible?

Nope. Those that I know don't wait three hours, and I think they are stupid and tell them so. Crack, meth....no, I won't befriend any folks of that sort, and driving while on a hallucinogen? Not even the dumbest of hippies that I know would do that. Illegal music? Not e-smart enough for that. Cell phone while driving? No, I'm anal about that one.
As far as backroads racing, I've done it, with a wicked fast rotary car I used to own when I was much younger and much dumber. I was part of 'this scene' though in a different area. Then I grew up, albeit after thirteen speeding tickets one year and many close calls of all sorts. A highschool friend destroyed his 68 Camaro and landed himself in the hospital after hitting a goat, yes a goat, on private road streetrace. I, too wish it would stop, and my previous posts still stand. They addressed the asshattery of the crowd that jams around the part of McCarran that I listed, the 'friday and saturday nighters'.
I'm never going to like any form of street racing, and that is that. You don't have to convert me or change my opinion...its like arguing politics or religion. People are different. We do what we do and don't what we don't. I just don't want to have to intubate or code you or any of your crew one day in the hospital.

I don't have a crew nor am I down at CC. I have been there twice in 3 years. Just because I argue for them doesn't mean I am one of them. On that note, who wants some waffles? (#) (#) (#)

The illegal part. And the risking someone else's life part. I'm sure the guys in the affore mentioned accident FULLY believed that they were being "smart" about street racing, and that they were on a "deserted" street... until someone pulled out in front of them.

Well as long as your aren't tearing around Kietzke and Virgina at 100 miles an hour when you leave it's cool. There is nothin wrong with hanging out in a parking lot and talking cars...we do it every Thursday. But when we are done we don't go tearin ass all over the place (well not usually, there's a thread round here somewheres).

There are a few irresponsible people who get out on tracks, but they typically aren't tolerated for very long. There are also no innocent drivers & bystanders to hit on racetracks.

Or farm animals...

This is right on, everyone thinks they are being safe until it's too late. There are too many uncontrolled variables in street racing for it to be safe. No matter what precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen all the time.

There were horses on the track at reno-fernley raceway on saturday :)

See, if they can't keep farm animals off the racetracks, how can you keep them off of public streets?

Let the street racers run them over, and the Darwinian process will result in both fewer farm animals dumb enough to wander onto pavement, and fewer street rcers dumb enough to...

well, fewer dumb farm animals anyway.

When was the last time a "well planned" street race had emergency workers on standby?

Saturday at the track a WRX wagon went off course due to a brake failure. Kid plowed through 100 feet of runnoff and ended up in the weeds, which caught fire due to the hot headers under the car. The course worker was at the car in seconds with a fire extinguisher, and the fire truck was at the scene in about a minute or two and prevented the car from buring to the ground. And since the driver was wearing a helmet, he was awake when the car caught fire and able to get out quickly.

If that brake failure had happened at a street race, you'd be reading another post about someone burning to death.

Tell me again how well planned street races are. :roll:

Whoa. Props to the fast rescue. That would have been a scary sight to see.

Yeah, I was on track... they red flagged the session and as soon as the cars on course were stopped they were out to the guy.

And since the track only has an old school wrecker instead of a flat-bed, I ended up driving my truck up to the top of the hill to pick up the car on my trailer so he didn't ruin the center diff towing it on 2 wheels. The poor car knocked the oil filter off on the rocks so there was a mess of oil under the car, plus the burned plastic bits, some scorching on the passenger door, smoke in the cabin, a blown tire, and the radiator support looks like there was a minor downward bend from the bumper's impact w/ the ground. Not a pretty sight, but I don't think the car's anywhere near totaled.

Thanks guys. I knew I wasn't the only one to feel this way. I'm an asshole, but not because I don't like street racing or generalize too much. There is no safe way to partake in street racing. Period.

Agreed. "Smart street-racing" is an oxymoron.

Half these retards don't think about what they're doing. I have seen in person more than my share of asshats racing without regard to their safety or anyone else's.

I swear I'm not contradicting myself:

How often have you guys raced up the onramp as fast as you could? Or raced a friend at a stoplight? Or did some canyon carving up a moutain road? I know I've done it. It's unfair to condemn anyone who drives fast on a public road.

People get hurt and die on monitored race tracks and no one cries out for them to stop racing. Granted that's a bit different but my point remains valid. Think about it.

There are a lot of threads on this. it's been covered.

meh.

Explain to me what my (supposed) actions have to do with anyone elses? If I do, or if I don't, doesn't legitimize street racing in any way, shape or form. If I take off from a street light quickly, it doesn't magically make street racing okay. Even if I accelerate quickly up an on ramp, it still doesn't make a street race safe or legal.

So, please tell me exactly how anyone's actions on the street make asshat street racers less asshat-ey?

It's not about legality, it is about risk to yourself, and more importantly others.

Weaving through traffic at 20+ MPH over the flow of traffic, or racing down a public road with uncontrolled intersections and unprotected spectators and little or no safety equipment in the car, is infinitely more risky than any minor traffic infraction you mentioned.

It is the people who don't understand that risk or believe they are in control of it that are a danger to themselves, and more importantly, others...

That is why street racing is bad, the people who believe it isn't...

That is all.

What Dean said. Anyone who thinks street racing can be "safe" simply hasn't ever gone fast enough and had a "moment" to learn to respect the risk you're taking at speed. It happens in an instant... one second you're in full control, and before you realize it you're suddenly wondering "how am I going to get out of this?"

On the track, the consequences of these moments are mitigated as much as possible... saftey equiptment in the car, rescue workers, run-off space, and nothing out there to surprise you like a CRX crossing the street. And *still*, people die at the racetrack. I can't for the life of me why people think the street can be at all worth the risk. Boneheads.

street racing, banging chicks without rubbers......

If you condone or defend street racing in any sort of way, you do not belong on this site.

get your ducks in a row!

Hey now, that’s not really fair. This forum is for Subaru Enthusiasts, not Anti Street Racing Enthusiasts. Just because someone has a different opinion than you, or most of us, in an off topic thread is reason to say they don't belong here; he is Subaru enthusiasts after all. Street racing has been around for along time, and its not going anywhere, there is nothing we can do about it other than destroying every car in the world. Sure the kids have gotten dumber, but in time they will either give up racing or discover the wonderful world of track racing, So instead of trying to stop street racing in the present, we should stop it in the future by educating the youth of tomorrow.

Just because I defend street racing (in a very limited form) doesn't mean I am who you may think I am. Just because someone is a supporter of communism doesnt mean he is a communist. Just because...errr you get the idea. I like subarus, mainly on curvy tracks...i don't really even care about straight line-ness but that is neither here nor there. Don't judge me for what I believe in, judge me for my character and my actions. <3 seccs.

Actually Bob, this is very much an "anti-street racing enthusiasts" site. Read Scott's message on the front page; part of Seccs' "mission statement" is to encourage people to take it to the track or autocross course. And the "education" to help prevent future street racers will not be well supported if we are preaching against it on the one hand and condoning it (through assention of others' participation) on the other. Street racing has no business on the streets and even less here on this forum.

You guys shouldn't even argue about it: to each his own. Yay, one person *finally* died in what what, 5 years that we've been arguing about it? People do die at the track too. Let it go, remorse for the kid, or you will be nothing more than that bitch who sued everyone for her husband dieing at the tack.. Whenever you involve high speeds, racing, and motor vehicles accidents are bound to happen. And all people dont think the same way, no matter what you guys say, and how much you guys bitch, it wont stop people from street racing if they want to street race, and me from meeting up with Mike and pounding his evo a couple of times!! :D

Hate to break it to you duck, but street racing *is* an action to judge you on :p You can't claim to be above criticism just by saying "You don't know me" when you do act on impulses like street racing (or even just defending it, and not competitng).

Maybe one person locally, I'm sure street racers all over have done their share of killing people in the last 5 years.

As far as I know, no one has died at Reno-Fernley. So, that still makes Street Racing -1, Track Racing 0. Unless of course, you want to move to a broader scale and start including parts of California.

Yeah, I'll agree that all motorsports has its share of danger and high potential for accidents, but just cause some guy died at a track 10 hours away from here, doesn't make street racing any safer. His dead body doesn't magically prevent accidential cross traffic from crossing a street race.

Sure, I don't expect people to stop completely due to my bitching, but that doesn't stop them from being idiots and/or morons.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1K1:1347...fid=ency_botnm

+3 street racing deaths

http://www.fradical.com/Need_for_Speed_death1.htm

+1 street racing death

http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=15779

+1 street racing death

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new..._dies_in_.html

+2 street racing deaths

+1 street racing death for the link to the forum Matt posted.

That's 8 so far in 2006, and that's only 3/4 of the first page of a google search.

I'm in no way exempting myself from driving fast occasionally, but driving fast and racing somebody on the street are 2 different things. I mean shit, we are car enthusiasts! It's a given that our cars get driven fast sometimes, esp since a lot of us (not me) have turbo'd cars.

I dunno, I guess there isn't much that we can do besides bitch, but at least it makes me feel better. :)

Sorry, but we have discussed this at length, and the people that started this site have always been vocal about the negative impact street racing has on a community. It is wrong, illegal and results in many innocent deaths every year. It is the sole reason that California is having a statewide "crackdown" on street racing and pulling over modded cars. Nevada will not be far behind if it continues to be a problem.

My apologies for being such a Nazi about it - you should see me in front of my house when my kids are playing and some moron drives by at 50mph in a 25 mph zone.

A car enthusiast to me is someone who enjoys their vehicles in venues that are safe...........and even involve a turn or two. I personally do believe that if you defend, condone or partake in street racing you do not belong in this club. All that does is taint the image of our group.

While Kevin's right about the "official" stance of this board, I certainly don't want to imply that the discussion is off limits. I'd like people to feel free to support what they believe in. Just expect to take some serious heat from most of the members here, as most of us are extremely anti-street racing.

What I don't want to see on this board is discussion about specific upcoming street races. This site is not a resource for illegal activity. Nor do I want to see personal attacks and unconstructive bickering.

But like religion and politics... street racing is not one of those topics that you can change someone else's opinion on very easily. Let's not let the conversation degenerate too far.

That said... I just can't understand the attraction to street racing. 1st, most street racing is straight line racing, no? So that's part of it, since I don't care about dragging to begin with. But second, I don't understand why doing it illegally adds anything to the thrill. If you're gonna spend $1000's on moding the car to street race it, don't you have a few bucks to take it to the strip? It's not like drag racing at the track is expensive. IVM runs grudge races once a month at RFR for $30 for a full night. Autocross (which actually compares driver skill in a meaningful way) is $25/day, and there's 16 events in a season. Time trials and track days are of course more expensive, but when compared to the amount of money people spend on their cars, it's still cheap... and honestly, track time is the most effective "mod" for making a driver faster.

Please tell me that gambling on the races isn't the only reason people street race. :roll:

I dont street race anymore(for about 1 1/2 years now[this was when I had my Cobra])...but when I did it, I did it because:
1.I dont feel like wasting gas driving to Fernley and maybe only getting 1 or 2 runs in.
2.I wanted to see if my new mods made any difference.
3.The track wasnt open in the first place.

I dont agree with street racing anymore, and I wont street race anymore either, so dont think I am arguing for it. I am just stating what I heard from my friends at the time. The closest I come now to street racing I will admit is having a little fun going up Mt.Rose,V.city,Monitor pass etc.

It doesn't. But it is hypocritical to partake in that kind of driving and then bitch when someone else does it "safely".

Negative. It's hypocritical for a street racer to complain about street racing. What you're saying is the same as suggesting that someone who stares at a hot woman shouldn't complain about someone else raping her.

Sure, thats my point. It might make me a hyprocrite, but it doesn't make me wrong. Anyway, it is a moot point, anyway since I don't partake in what you'd like to believe I do. I just wanted to point out that no one is perfect, and the hyprocracy of the speaker doesn't negate the truth of their statements. Hence, even if I did partake, I would still be correct in stating that its stupid.