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Nick Koan 2009-01-13 07:08 AM

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Ferrari have released their 2009 challenger, called the F60.

http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/v.../F2009/Launch/
http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...2012009&news=n

The new spec cars do look better in Ferrari red.

sperry 2009-01-13 10:04 AM

Well, the tiny rear wing is so silly looking... but I really love the cleaned up lines of the car without all the winglets. I wish the spec limited the surface area of the rear wing, instead of the width so it could be wider... other than that, I like the new look! Let's hope it helps make the races more interesting!

skimonkey30 2009-01-13 05:01 PM

that rear wing looks ridiculous

Nick Koan 2009-01-15 08:05 AM

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Toyota's is out. With its own website and cheesy movie starting Jarno and Timo.

http://www.tf109-premiere.com/

Link directly to pictures
http://www.tf109-premiere.com/pictures.html

sperry 2009-01-15 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 127149)
Toyota's is out. With its own website and cheesy movie starting Jarno and Timo.

http://www.tf109-premiere.com/

Link directly to pictures
http://www.tf109-premiere.com/pictures.html

There are more pictures of Jarno and Timo gaying it up than there are of the car. :unamused:

Nick Koan 2009-01-15 09:56 AM

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And their test driver too.

"Okay, try to look natural"

Nick Koan 2009-01-15 10:12 AM

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Crash.net has some more pictures, but you have to log in to see them at a higher res. I'll attach them here.

http://www.crash.net/gallery.asp?cid...5012009&news=n

Nick Koan 2009-01-16 08:21 AM

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McClaren's MP4-24

Nick Koan 2009-01-20 10:13 AM

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Williams-Toyota FW31

Nick Koan 2009-01-20 10:16 AM

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Renault R29

Bye-bye-blue

Nick Koan 2009-01-20 10:18 AM

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BMW Sauber F1.09

sperry 2009-01-20 10:22 AM

Looking at those pictures of the Toyota motor... it blows me away how much power they get out of such a tiny package. Especially considering that the motor is a structural part of the car that attaches the back half of the car to the front half! A ton of that motor's bulk has to be just to keep it from flexing during cornering.

I wonder if you could get your hands on one of those motors and drop it into a Hachi, or a 1st generation Celica/Supra, or a 1st generation MR2. :devil: I'd love to see the look on someone's face if you fired up your mid-80's Toyota and it started doing an F1 style warmup rev program. :lol:

MattR 2009-01-20 04:10 PM

Is it just me or are these wings looking Extremely vulnerable to first turn contact??? Those things just stick way out there like curb feelers... yikes.

MattR 2009-01-20 04:10 PM

Oh, and the proper Slicks are dead-sexy

sperry 2009-01-20 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR (Post 127297)
Is it just me or are these wings looking Extremely vulnerable to first turn contact??? Those things just stick way out there like curb feelers... yikes.

I think a lot of the drivers have already said they're really concerned about turn 1 retirements in the up coming season for just that reason.

Hopefully everyone will be really cautious because of the wing and we'll actually see less lap 1 retirements?

Nick Koan 2009-01-20 04:55 PM

What I find interesting is how different each of the attachments between the front wing and the nose cone looks. Renault and Toyota's are kinda different (Toyota's kinda looking like the BMW Williams tusks from ... 05?) and Renault's being kinda ugly. Williams, BMW and McClaren are looking a bit more standard.

sperry 2009-01-20 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 127305)
What I find interesting is how different each of the attachments between the front wing and the nose cone looks. Renault and Toyota's are kinda different (Toyota's kinda looking like the BMW Williams tusks from ... 05?) and Renault's being kinda ugly. Williams, BMW and McClaren are looking a bit more standard.

The Renault just has a really wide nose in general. Weird looking.

Is is cool though that all the cars are unique again.

AtomicLabMonkey 2009-01-22 10:40 AM

What. the fuck. is wrong with F1? The aero on these cars looks retarded. I mean seriously bad.

There are other ways to manipulate lift production of a wing than reducing its span.

sperry 2009-01-22 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey (Post 127379)
What. the fuck. is wrong with F1? The aero on these cars looks retarded. I mean seriously bad.

There are other ways to manipulate lift production of a wing than reducing its span.

My guess is that they were looking to compromise between lower downforce and still having enough pitch & surface area on the wing for a large sponsor sticker... as the rear wing is really the biggest/best location for the primary sponsor's sticker.

Plus, I think they wanted an air path over the center of the car to give the following car more air... which is why the rear wing is so high, and the front wing has no pitch in the center of the car.

As ugly as the new rear wing is, it's still *way* better than the original proposal which was two small wings behind each rear tire and nothing in the middle.

http://www.formula1.com/photos/597x4...-wing_full.jpg

Joeyy 2009-01-23 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR (Post 127298)
Oh, and the proper Slicks are dead-sexy

+1!..:)

Nick Koan 2009-01-26 11:03 AM

Ecclestone says bigger teams could field a third car as soon as ... immediately.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26082508.shtml

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He explained to DPA: "If the manufacturers supply engines to other people, they can run three cars themselves."

Ecclestone hinted that the third car provision could be triggered immediately, such as if a buyer is not found for Honda's Brackley-based team.

"It is better to have 20 cars on the grid, whether they are in the hands of manufacturers or in private hands, that doesn't make any difference," he said.
Well, I guess that's one way to do it...

Why don't we just have Ferrari just supply all 20 cars.

zpeed 2009-01-26 08:16 PM

F1 = Formula 1 or Ferrari 1 :)

skimonkey30 2009-02-06 01:48 PM

Bourdais confirmed at Toro Rosso:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06091328.shtml

Nick Koan 2009-02-27 09:38 AM

Some are reporting that the ex-Honda team has been saved, others are saying that they are close to being saved. After all the speculation, looks like Brawn and Fry will take the company, with severance money from Honda, some money from Ecclestone (who reportedly needs 20 cars on the grid or be forced to lower his fees at many of the circuits), other sponsors and an engine deal with McLaren/Mercedes.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...k-on-the-grid/

skimonkey30 2009-02-27 01:31 PM

what a cluster fuck

Guess it'll be called the Ecclestone/Brawn/Fry/MclarenMercedes :lol:

sperry 2009-02-27 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skimonkey30 (Post 129071)
what a cluster fuck

Guess it'll be called the Ecclestone/Brawn/Fry/MclarenMercedes :lol:

AKA: 2-Douches/1-CoolGuy Racing

sybir 2009-03-05 06:51 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7927488.stm

Even better, Brawn F1 :lol:

Nick Koan 2009-03-05 06:56 PM

Domain name's been registered :D

http://www.brawngp.com/

(and its Brawn GP, cause Brawn F1 would cause Bernie to have a fit)

sybir 2009-03-05 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 129407)
Domain name's been registered :D

http://www.brawngp.com/

(and its Brawn GP, cause Brawn F1 would cause Bernie to have a fit)

truth :lol::lol:

Nick Koan 2009-03-05 06:59 PM

And according to the press release, they'll be keeping Button and Barrichello

http://www.brawngp.com/pr.php

They are the B Team!

MattR 2009-03-05 08:41 PM

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They are the B Team!


Yes, as in "B"ackmarker! :lol:

sperry 2009-03-05 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR (Post 129414)
Yes, as in "B"ackmarker! :lol:

Then what's Force India?

sybir 2009-03-05 09:32 PM

F2?
























F5?
*ducks*

Nick Koan 2009-03-06 07:27 AM

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And here is the car, sans sponsors

http://www.brawngp.com/gallery.php

MattR 2009-03-06 07:59 AM

Since they have no sponsors or talent, they should paint the car in some creative livery, like the planet earth or something....

sperry 2009-03-06 10:06 AM

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Since they have no sponsors or talent, they should paint the car in some creative livery, like the planet earth or something....

Paint it like the planet Mars.

MattR 2009-03-06 12:22 PM

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Paint it like the planet Mars.

Paint it like Uranus! :)

Nick Koan 2009-03-09 08:51 AM

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STR4 debut

sperry 2009-03-09 10:21 AM

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STR4 debut

Um, that's the RB5, not the STR4?

Edit: wait... holy crap, that is the STR4. It looks way too much like the RedBull car! WTF?

Nick Koan 2009-03-09 10:27 AM

Yeah I know. I had to rub my eyes multiple times.

Now that they've splashed the Red Bull logo all over it, it looks almost identical.

But yeah, the Red Bull car has the yellow nose and engine cover, while the STR has gold and no color on the engine cover.

http://jalopnik.com/5150879/red-bull...rez-gets-wings

skimonkey30 2009-03-10 03:13 PM

god damn

I'm actually going to need a program or something to figure out all these driver/team/rule changes this year

they should have varsha, hobbs, and machett do a one hour special

sperry 2009-03-10 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skimonkey30 (Post 129614)
god damn

I'm actually going to need a program or something to figure out all these driver/team/rule changes this year

they should have varsha, hobbs, and machett do a one hour special

One hour won't be long enough. Remember when they first added knock-out qualifying? It took them through Q2 to finally finishing explaining the new qually rules every round! :lol:

Nick Koan 2009-03-11 10:05 AM

Button is looking good in the Brawn GP car!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73674

If they can get half as many points as Honda did last year, I'll be impressed (for the record, that means they need 1.5 points to impress me).

sperry 2009-03-11 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 129662)
Button is looking good in the Brawn GP car!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73674

If they can get half as many points as Honda did last year, I'll be impressed (for the record, that means they need 1.5 points to impress me).

It's that half a point to earn your love that's gonna be a bitch!

Nick Koan 2009-03-11 10:47 AM

That's the reason I'll be impressed!

skimonkey30 2009-03-11 03:28 PM

I really do hope that all the changes make the racing somewhat better with more challengers for the championship

Only 15 more days till Melbourne! :D

sperry 2009-03-11 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skimonkey30 (Post 129691)
I really do hope that all the changes make the racing somewhat better with more challengers for the championship

Only 15 more days till Melbourne! :D

I would love to see Brawn GP win the 1st round. Then Honda come in as their engine supplier and primary sponsor because they realize they totally screwed up spending half of last season developing this season's car then dropping the program before the season started.

sperry 2009-03-12 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 129695)
I would love to see Brawn GP win the 1st round. Then Honda come in as their engine supplier and primary sponsor because they realize they totally screwed up spending half of last season developing this season's car then dropping the program before the season started.

Holy crap! My joke is more likely than I thought! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Brawn stuns F1 by smashing pole record
Even the cynics were astonished when Jenson Button cut the timing beam on the Circuit de Catalunya pit straight on Wednesday.

Low fuel run to impress potential sponsors or not, the Brawn GP had circulated the Barcelona layout in an unofficial 1:19.1.

Last April for the Spanish Grand Prix at the same venue, Robert Kubica's BMW was the fastest car in the low-fuel Q2 phase - a 1min20.5.

"If it stays like this, Brawn GP will be all by themselves at the front in Melbourne," Sebastian Vettel marvelled to Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

Likewise, Fernando Alonso on Wednesday admitted that the BGP001 currently seems faster than his Renault. "Brawn is not such a surprise for me because they have been preparing their car for a long time."

"They have done great work with the aerodynamics," the Spaniard added.

After a similarly impressive Monday and Tuesday in Spain, Button's Mercedes-powered car, fundamentally designed under Honda ownership last year, was a full second and more quicker than the chasing Ferrari, BMW and Toyotas.


At the other end of the spectrum, McLaren's woeful winter continued on Wednesday, Lewis Hamilton slowest of the ten runners and at one point in the barriers at turn two.

Compounding the 2008 world champion's misery, when he returned to the pits from his crash, the ardent Spanish fans made clear their derision with a shower of boos and whistles.

Referring to the Mercedes-powered MP4-24, Ron Dennis told Reuters Television in London on Wednesday: "It is certainly not as fast as we would like it to be."

"But it's early days and we've still got quite a bit of testing to do and quite a bit of development to reflect through into our pace."

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...12084418.shtml

Nick Koan 2009-03-12 09:24 AM

Yes, I would love that to happen!

Finally, my Honda F1 Racing Gear will be worth a damn :lol: (kinda).

Looks like Barrichello is keeping things going as well

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...12173446.shtml

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The final day of the group test at Circuit de Catalunya was briefly delayed this morning due to the foggy conditions. The ten runners were however soon out on the 4.655km Spanish Grand Prix circuit, and once again it was a Brawn Mercedes that ended the day at the top of the timesheets.

Rubens Barrichello took over testing duties of the new BGP001 today from Jenson Button, the Brazilian veteran proving every bit as effective as his British team-mate. Barrichello completed 110 laps, his best time of 1:18.926s coming on his 102nd tour.

...

skimonkey30 2009-03-12 03:34 PM

damn.....looks like they arent going to be back markers for long.

I'll bet fernando is kicking himself in the shorts for not signing that mega deal with them last year


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