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Nick Koan 2011-02-09 04:37 PM

Yeah, I think Ford has a good case, even though the car will never be sold to the public.

But, combine that with Ferrari's hardheadedness, this could turn out to be spectacular.

sybir 2011-02-09 04:41 PM

I do, however love that Ferrari naming their racing car F150 is somehow going to damage Ford's truck brand image. Huge crossover market there that's going to be all confused. :lol::lol:

sperry 2011-02-09 06:47 PM

Ford won't win that.

There's no way an Italian court (last time I checked Scuderia Ferrari doesn't do any business in the US) is going to rule in favor of Ford over Ferrari for a name that has virtually no marketing crossover.

Not to mention Ferrari and Ford are probably the two best known monikers in the world... their product lines are well known even to the layperson. I'm pretty sure no one is going to get confused by the name of a one-off F1 car that will be run for 10 months this year with an American pickup truck.

Nick Koan 2011-02-09 07:01 PM

The case was filed in Detroit.

Which, doesn't mean much of anything for Scuderia Ferrari, until they set foot in the US (or maybe only Michigan).

Nick Koan 2011-02-10 07:52 AM

Aw man, this got resolved too soon. :|

Ferrari renamed their car the 'F150th Italia'

Read their statement here: http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/10/w...-says-ferrari/

sperry 2011-02-11 02:20 PM

Has HRT not yet named their second driver? They holding out for Raikkonen to return to F1?

Nick Koan 2011-02-16 09:45 AM

Heidfeld has been officially named as Kubica's replacement at Lotus Renault

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/16/h...lotus-renault/
http://www.f1technical.net/news/1600...7e3f5242e5a144

Also, there seems to be some growing concern about Bahrain.

sperry 2011-02-17 11:23 AM

The GP2 race in Bahrain got canceled due to the protests. It's not looking good for the F1 season opener, and I don't think there's time to move it elsewhere... though doing something crazy like showing up at Donnington or Magny-Course would be friggen awesome. :lol:

Nick Koan 2011-02-17 11:28 AM

They could swap Abu Dhabi with Bahrain on the calendar. Or I'd suggest a race in France, but it might be a little late to get an impromptu GP at Magny-Cours up and running.

sperry 2011-02-17 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155116)
They could swap Abu Dhabi with Bahrain on the calendar. Or I'd suggest a race in France, but it might be a little late to get an impromptu GP at Magny-Cours up and running.

I doubt Abu Dhabi would a) be willing to give up their end of season spot or b) be able to fill the stands on short notice compared to their planned event date. The only option IMO is to hold the race somewhere that's not already on the calendar, 'cause otherwise it would really hurt the income of an existing venue.

But who knows if it'd even be possible to plan a GP in such short notice at all.

MattR 2011-02-17 03:27 PM

Laguna Seca!

sybir 2011-02-17 08:34 PM

Yes, that.

Nick Koan 2011-02-21 08:20 AM

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/21/n...-crown-prince/

Bahrain has been canceled. No replacement race, though rumor says they may try to reschedule (not that there is really a slot).

sperry 2011-02-21 06:32 PM

Great, now I need to figure out how to cancel a GP from th FF1 schedule! I think I'll just have to manually delete it from the database then clear the picks table so no one loses picks. The problem is, does that mean the season starts with round 2, or are the rounds all renumbered 1-19 now?

sperry 2011-02-22 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 155147)
Great, now I need to figure out how to cancel a GP from th FF1 schedule! I think I'll just have to manually delete it from the database then clear the picks table so no one loses picks. The problem is, does that mean the season starts with round 2, or are the rounds all renumbered 1-19 now?

Sheesh. It took a lot more work than I was expecting because it required fixing the way results and drops were calculated, but I *think* I've got the FF1 site handling a canceled event now.

If anyone sees some weird shit with the scoring or picks or anything once the season gets going, let me know ASAP so I can fix it!

JoeWRX 2011-02-22 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 154977)
Aw man, this got resolved too soon. :|

Ferrari renamed their car the 'F150th Italia'

Read their statement here: http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/10/w...-says-ferrari/

They actually renamed it "The Ferrari F-Henry Ford is a massive peach."

Skip to 5:09 and you'll get it. :lol:


Nick Koan 2011-02-24 07:57 AM

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Williams released their livery finally. Retro looking. The pictures are all studio pictures, and for some reason are a little dark still. But here it is.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/gallery/41744.html

sperry 2011-02-24 10:11 AM

Still no name for HRT's driver #2? Are they just going to run one car this season? :lol:

Nick Koan 2011-02-24 10:12 AM

Oh yeah, there is still that too. They are probably too busy looking for a sponsor or three :lol:

Actually, I've read that Luizzi is in contention, and will likely get it if all goes well during the next public test.

Nick Koan 2011-02-28 05:57 PM

Infiniti has partnered with Red Bull Racing. Many speculated that this might mean a change in the re-branding the Renault engines as Infiniti, but that won't be happening.

Just one car company sponsoring a full on outfit like Group Lotus, Tata and Marussia are currently doing. But, in two years when this expires, this may lead to further technical contributions from Infiniti.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89675

Nick Koan 2011-03-01 10:08 AM

And in a move to make sperry's ff1 job more of a hassle, the FIA are talking of finding a spot for the Bahrain GP to be run (if at all) sometime this year. Early August or back-to-back with Abu Dhabi seems the most popular at the moment.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89681

Quote:

Bernie Ecclestone said "If the Crown Prince is of the opinion that his country is able to host a race we will return to Bahrain. I think the teams are sensible enough even to race in Bahrain in the summer break, and despite high temperatures, because this is the way we can support the country."

sperry 2011-03-01 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155252)
And in a move to make sperry's ff1 job more of a hassle, the FIA are talking of finding a spot for the Bahrain GP to be run (if at all) sometime this year. Early August or back-to-back with Abu Dhabi seems the most popular at the moment.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89681

Great. :unamused: Though I might be able to change all my event queries to sort by deadline instead of round number and move round 1 to later in the season without breaking anything... that'll be a fun one to test. :lol:

But, I have the feeling issues in Bahrain won't be resolved enough to run a race there anytime soon. I don't see how a revolution (or revolution quashing as it may be) gets wrapped up in only a month or two to the point where it's time to go back to fun and games.

Bob Danger 2011-03-01 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155249)
Infiniti has partnered with Red Bull Racing. Many speculated that this might mean a change in the re-branding the Renault engines as Infiniti, but that won't be happening.

Just one car company sponsoring a full on outfit like Group Lotus, Tata and Marussia are currently doing. But, in two years when this expires, this may lead to further technical contributions from Infiniti.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89675

What the hell is datsun going supply to a formula 1 team? CVT transmissions? It would make pit stops interesting, they'd have to come up with some kind of quick release transmissions.

sperry 2011-03-01 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Danger (Post 155254)
What the hell is datsun going supply to a formula 1 team? CVT transmissions? It would make pit stops interesting, they'd have to come up with some kind of quick release transmissions.

Datsun isn't going to supply squat.

Renault owns a controlling share of Nissan. Nissan is the parent company of Infiniti. Renault puts Infiniti stickers on their F1 engines. People that don't know better buy Infiniti because they think they have something to do with F1. Renault makes more money.

It's basically a scam. Though, maybe in a few years if the economy gets better, Nissan/Infiniti might actually start up an engine program or something. They could use the engineering challenge to get some new ideas in their cars if they want to compete with Ford's renaissance.

Tahoe C5 2011-03-01 01:25 PM

Bahrain may yet happen
 
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Nick Koan 2011-03-01 01:29 PM

Infiniti barely has a presence outside of the US right now, so by doing this they are trying to expand into new (and new to them) markets with the global presence of F1.

The sponsorship deal ends in two years when the current RBR Renault engine supply deal ends and coincidentally right before the new turbo era begins in 2013. Infiniti could possibly begin to supply engines (rebranded Renault engines, most likely, unless Renault fully pulls out of F1). But, yeah, they really aren't going to offer much to RBR, except money.

Bob Danger 2011-03-02 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 155255)
Datsun isn't going to supply squat.

Renault owns a controlling share of Nissan. Nissan is the parent company of Infiniti. Renault puts Infiniti stickers on their F1 engines. People that don't know better buy Infiniti because they think they have something to do with F1. Renault makes more money.

It's basically a scam. Though, maybe in a few years if the economy gets better, Nissan/Infiniti might actually start up an engine program or something. They could use the engineering challenge to get some new ideas in their cars if they want to compete with Ford's renaissance.

I had no idea Renault was the majority share holder.

sperry 2011-03-03 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Danger (Post 155295)
I had no idea Renault was the majority share holder.

Remember when all the Nissans suddenly started looking like each other and kinda fugly... that was right after Renault stepped in to save Nissan from bankruptcy. Renault has "minority control"... so while they're the controlling owner of the company, they don't have over 50% ownership.

Found an old article, says Renault bought 36.8% of Nissan in '99:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...leID=262&vf=24

Nick Koan 2011-03-03 09:53 AM

According to the Wikipedias, Renault owns 43.4% of Nissan, and Nissan owns 15% of Renualt as of 2008. And Carlos Ghosn is the President and CEO of both companies.

Nick Koan 2011-03-04 10:59 AM

Ferrari has realized that the 'Ferrari F150th Italia' is a dumb name, but not quite dumb enough. It will now be called the 'Ferrari 150° Italia' (but I guess the ° symbol in Italian reads like the equivalent of the 'th suffix in English)

Ford also officially dropped the lawsuit.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89741

Nick Koan 2011-03-04 11:10 AM

Also, I can't wait for the inevitable photoshop of when either Massa or Alonso spins the car and ends up being pointed 150° from the race direction.

Nick Koan 2011-03-09 07:43 AM

Yup, Vitantonio Liuzzi will be the other driver at HRT

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/03/09/h...s-liuzzi-seat/

Nick Koan 2011-03-11 11:18 AM

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HRT officially shows the world their real car... and um... they kept all the "Your Logo Here" and "Cool Spot" placeholder art in their livery.

http://www.formula1blog.com/2011/03/...-in-barcelona/

I didn't think that would seriously make it onto a real racecar.

Nick Koan 2011-03-18 08:19 AM

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Pirelli will be color coding their lettering for the various compounds.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90008

Wet - orange
Intermediate - light blue
Supersoft - red
Soft – yellow
Medium – white
Hard – silver

sperry 2011-03-18 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155494)
Pirelli will be color coding their lettering for the various compounds.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90008

Wet - orange
Intermediate - light blue
Supersoft - red
Soft – yellow
Medium – white
Hard – silver

Not one compound is green, and yet they have white and silver that will be indistinguishable unless they're right next to each other? :lol:

Nick Koan 2011-03-18 09:20 AM

Oh yeah, a race with white and silver would be nearly impossible to distinguish at speed. Luckily, though, since they skip a compound when choosing compounds for the weekend, we'll never see a medium/hard race.

sperry 2011-03-18 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155498)
Oh yeah, a race with white and silver would be nearly impossible to distinguish at speed. Luckily, though, since they skip a compound when choosing compounds for the weekend, we'll never see a medium/hard race.

Sure, but it would be nice to see "oh, those are the hards at this track"... rather than just "oh those are the harder of the two compounds".

I guess for the average fans, it's better for the two harder tires to look similar so you don't have to remember that green means medium and orange is soft. If it's not a color, it's harder, if it's a color it's softer.

Dean 2011-03-18 10:46 AM

It would have been nice if they followed the spectrum which at least some of the population knows by heart. ROGBYV Put White on an end if you want.

Or Green yellow red, Ummm... white blue?

Kevin M 2011-03-18 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean (Post 155503)
It would have been nice if they followed the spectrum which at least some of the population knows by heart. ROGBYV Put White on an end if you want.

Or Green yellow red, Ummm... white blue?

F1 does things based on logic and reason?

sperry 2011-03-18 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean (Post 155503)
It would have been nice if they followed the spectrum which at least some of the population knows by heart. ROGBYV Put White on an end if you want.

Or Green yellow red, Ummm... white blue?

Well, I think they specifically picked colors that will be obviously different when on track at the same time.

For example, blue and purple make more sense for the wet/inter tires IMO, but then at a wet race as conditions start drying, it's potentially hard to tell which cars have made the switch from wet to intermediates since the colors are similar. But with orange and blue, it's super obvious that two cars are on different tires. And it looks like they were careful about two similar colors ever being used at the same time... like red and orange: it would be rare for drivers to go from full wet to soft without going to inters in between. And like Nick mentioned, the white/silver issue is moot since those two tires will never be used together on a race weekend. Same goes for red/yellow for that matter.

My earlier point about not using green at all is that last season's tires have used a green stripe to indicate soft, and they didn't bother to use green at all in the new color scheme.

Personally, I would have gone with:

blue/wet, green/inter, red/supersoft, orange/soft, medium/yellow, hard/white

That's more logical and sorta follows the rainbow, and it avoids any similar colors on track together:

Wet race: blue/green
Soft race: red/yellow
Hard race: orange/white

But like Nick said, I don't know that there was a lot of thought put into the decision. Or perhaps there were some other dumb F1 issues, like maybe Bridgestone has the copyright on green decorated tires. That would actually make more sense than anything else we've been making up in here. :lol:

MikeK 2011-03-23 09:09 AM

Button "shaves" 18 seconds off the Bathurst lap record

Linky McLink

MattR 2011-03-23 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 155612)
Button "shaves" 18 seconds off the Bathurst lap record

Linky McLink

Awesome promo...love that they put the F1 car on Bathurst... My favorite quote from Jenson which terrifies me...

"but he also admitted with a bit of practice, the top of the mountain, widely regarded as one of the most daunting stretches of racetrack in the world, could be taken flat out." :lol:

MikeK 2011-03-28 06:01 PM

A link someone posted on nasioc:

Eau rouge corner comparison

Nick Koan 2011-03-28 06:07 PM

Holy fuck

MattR 2011-03-28 06:15 PM

Ah! the happiest place on Earth...Love me some Eau Rouge

Kevin M 2011-03-28 06:34 PM

So, F1 cars are fast. Duly noted!

sperry 2011-03-28 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 155721)
A link someone posted on nasioc:

Eau rouge corner comparison

I was showing that to Lisa over the weekend. :cool:

The best part is that the street cars in the video are actually some damn fast cars, and yet they still look pathetically slow. :lol:

Nick Koan 2011-03-29 06:31 AM

Kimi Raikkonen to go racing in NASCAR.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90331

sperry 2011-03-29 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 155732)
Kimi Raikkonen to go racing in NASCAR.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90331

Following in the footsteps of Karthikeyan? Maybe one day, Kimi too can turn some experience in the Camping World Truck series into getting to watch an F1 race from the HRT pits!

Nick Koan 2011-03-29 10:03 AM

The pits are probably the best place to view the race!


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