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rory_a 2012-04-29 05:21 PM

... Did I miss something in the afternoon? :( morning seemed uneventful.

MattR 2012-04-29 05:41 PM

Just a ton of smack talk and MikeK embarrassing everyone else with his insanely low times. It was sure fun having all the old players back in action. Mike, Dean and Kevin were just flying in TSM this afternoon... Plus Vic and I will have an awesome MINI battle this year.

rory_a 2012-04-29 06:13 PM

The lowest I saw was the BM racer at 55.xx, and the SSP Vette at 57.xx (maybe 56 for him?).

Still waiting to see what my third run was - the clock was showing 70.x and I'm pretty sure I beat my other 59.8 on that run. Still slow, I know I can drop that if I just stay cleaner. Need more seat time...

MikeK 2012-04-29 06:48 PM

Results are up.

Kevin M 2012-04-29 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161182)
The lowest I saw was the BM racer at 55.xx, and the SSP Vette at 57.xx (maybe 56 for him?).

Still waiting to see what my third run was - the clock was showing 70.x and I'm pretty sure I beat my other 59.8 on that run. Still slow, I know I can drop that if I just stay cleaner. Need more seat time...

You were in the 59s, but the timing lights were slow because of where I had the cursor in the software.

rory_a 2012-04-29 07:27 PM

Aren't I (T)BSP?


Jesus there's some good times in the afternoon group!

MikeK 2012-04-29 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161185)
Aren't I (T)BSP?


Jesus there's some good times in the afternoon group!

Are you classed incorrectly?

rory_a 2012-04-29 07:54 PM

According to the rulebook, no... I think they upgraded STIs to BSP since Matt was running his. But, I honestly don't see a reason I'm not in STU.

Coilovers
Dropped ride height
Camber plates
Sway bars
Rear strut bar, front lower arm bar
Non-metal suspension bushings
Down pipe and full exhaust
Factory ECU engine tune
Wheel size is 17x8, STU is unlimited
245 tires allowed


I think the only things not allowed are the seats and trunk?

Dean 2012-04-29 07:59 PM

We checked Date codes, Mike's early '06 235 RE-01s were faster than my mixed late '07 and '08 255 615s. :)

Had a blast though. Great to have my car running again.

We may talk smack, but I honestly really enjoy hanging out with and competing with the bunch of you.

I do think Matt needs a car that can compete in Raw time though. PAX is for Pussies. :)

Dean 2012-04-29 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161187)
Non-metal suspension bushings

ALK?

MikeK 2012-04-29 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161187)
According to the rulebook, no... I think they upgraded STIs to BSP since Matt was running his. But, I honestly don't see a reason I'm not in STU.

Coilovers
Dropped ride height
Camber plates
Sway bars
Rear strut bar, front lower arm bar
Non-metal suspension bushings
Down pipe and full exhaust
Factory ECU engine tune
Wheel size is 17x8, STU is unlimited
245 tires allowed


I think the only things not allowed are the seats and trunk?

I meant did you end up in a different class to what you signed up in.

Generally you tell us what your class is, and we accept it unless someone protests you, which they won't do.

You are right, ASP is not for STis. Should you be in STU or BSP? I thought I remembered seeing BSP on your car today.

MikeK 2012-04-29 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161187)
Down pipe and full exhaust
Factory ECU engine tune

BTW you should probably do something about that at some point. You are probably running lean without a tune.

Cobb has both full boost and STU legal accessport maps on their web site for cars with just an exhaust swap.

MattR 2012-04-29 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean (Post 161188)

I do think Matt needs a car that can compete in Raw time though. PAX is for Pussies. :)

Dude! 6th in Raw in a street tire MINI is not enough? :lol:

MikeK 2012-04-29 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161192)
Dude! 6th in Raw in a street tire MINI is not enough? :lol:

That was with new tires though. Doesn't count.

WRX06TR 2012-04-29 08:21 PM

Well it was nice to have top time of the day for a few minutes lol

sperry 2012-04-29 08:30 PM

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Man... I feel like I missed out! Maybe Matt can get my car tuned up before the next event...

Here's what I did all day instead of racing:

rory_a 2012-04-29 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 161190)
I meant did you end up in a different class to what you signed up in.

Generally you tell us what your class is, and we accept it unless someone protests you, which they won't do.

You are right, ASP is not for STis. Should you be in STU or BSP? I thought I remembered seeing BSP on your car today.

No you were good, I said BSP cause that's what I remember the STis being, but they're in ASP now apparently. And I'm honestly not sure why I was thinking BSP in the first place.


Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 161191)
BTW you should probably do something about that at some point. You are probably running lean without a tune.

Cobb has both full boost and STU legal accessport maps on their web site for cars with just an exhaust swap.

I meant the rulebook allows tunes to the factory ECU. I have a Clark Turner tune by Matt @ KSpeed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean (Post 161189)
ALK?

Nope. Rear diff outriggers, tranny crossmember. Never got around to installing the subframe lockdown bolts.


Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161192)
Dude! 6th in Raw in a street tire MINI is not enough? :lol:

It's crazy is what it is. That little car is a phenomenon.

rory_a 2012-04-29 09:39 PM

* Nevermind, pretty sure my tune has a dramatically modified boost map, so I'm ASP, which was a move made this year, from BSP.

I can't drop the coin on an accessport to swap around tunes, so I'll stick with it.

MPREZIV 2012-04-30 07:23 AM

I've CLEARLY got some work to do, in order to get up where I want to be in the results! That damn car is hard to keep up with! I can't turn the steering wheel fast enough...

Hopefully I'll be able to sort things out, overcome the loss of the street tire factor, and put down some respectable times!

k-dogg39 2012-04-30 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161181)
Just a ton of smack talk and MikeK embarrassing everyone else with his insanely low times. It was sure fun having all the old players back in action. Mike, Dean and Kevin were just flying in TSM this afternoon... Plus Vic and I will have an awesome MINI battle this year.

Seriously! Those were some crazy fast runs!

Had a great time this weekend. I also have some catching up to do in my car. I felt like I was late on everything. I know quite a few spots where I left some time out there. Slowly knocking the rust off. :lol:

sperry 2012-04-30 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 161198)
I've CLEARLY got some work to do, in order to get up where I want to be in the results! That damn car is hard to keep up with! I can't turn the steering wheel fast enough...

Hopefully I'll be able to sort things out, overcome the loss of the street tire factor, and put down some respectable times!

So, you're saying if the quick rack in my WRX goes missing, I know the first place to look? :lol:

dknv 2012-04-30 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161181)
Just a ton of smack talk and MikeK embarrassing everyone else with his insanely low times. It was sure fun having all the old players back in action. ...

This. :)

What did you guys think about the surface? With respect to race tires? (Asking, because John Perry told me the Sac guys wanted his feedback about conditions - and while he did not say it out loud, the impression I have is that some are feeling it's still too gravelly for their tastes.) I thought there *were* sandy areas that were slippery, but there were areas with plenty of grip and plenty of fun on my street tires.

MikeK 2012-04-30 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dknv (Post 161202)
This. :)

What did you guys think about the surface? With respect to race tires? (Asking, because John Perry told me the Sac guys wanted his feedback about conditions - and while he did not say it out loud, the impression I have is that some are feeling it's still too gravelly for their tastes.) I thought there *were* sandy areas that were slippery, but there were areas with plenty of grip and plenty of fun on my street tires.

As long as you hugged the corners in the sandy areas I thought it wasn't too bad.

If you got out wide at all you were definitely in a pile of gravel. From the start to the pivot cone was treacherous off line.

The back half of the course was really grippy though. I didn't feel like there was any gravel from the chicago box all the way to the start of the bleachers.

I am not convinced that race tires would be better than street tires though.

rory_a 2012-04-30 09:24 AM

I noticed some gravel into the "third" slalom cone, but I was still on it, not enough to make me back off...

And that first few turns were bad, I was consistently off line turning in too early too hot, I knew better but never corrected, and slid through the first, killing my chances of lining up the second turn.

I was going way wide into the pivot cone and it was ok, but getting up on top of the cone was a little loose.



First time actually running hard on a decent setup with power steering, so wtf do I know though...

MPREZIV 2012-04-30 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 161200)
So, you're saying if the quick rack in my WRX goes missing, I know the first place to look? :lol:

I have NO IDEA what you're talking about! :D (there goes hoping you wouldn't notice...)


As far as grip goes, the East end of the course was AWFUL for me... I couldn't go anywhere in that gravel. There was no keeping my car on a clean line, and no matter how slow I tried to go through the first Left, or how gently I applied the throttle out of the Pin Turn, I was counter-steering.

The West end of the course is where I was wishing for faster hands. Tons of grip down there. If the entire course had been "west end grippy" I'd bet I wouldn't have ended up 20something in PAX.

MPREZIV 2012-04-30 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 161203)

I am not convinced that race tires would be better than street tires though.

I was weighing that in my head this morning. Mind you I am learning my car all over again, but my head says that I would likely have placed as well or better on street tires. I had to be so slow and smooth through the gravel, I don't think the speed gained on the second half of the course made up for losing the street tire handicap.

I'm gonna stick it out and see what happens though. I am willing to throw away a whole season, if that's what it comes to, in order to learn a thing or two!

MikeK 2012-04-30 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 161206)
I don't think the speed gained on the second half of the course made up for losing the street tire handicap.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It probably only takes a small gravel section where you have to slow right down to undo all the benefit that you get on the rest of the course.

I wonder if the grippy and gravelly areas will be in the same locations at every event.

Kevin M 2012-04-30 04:10 PM

There's a good chance we're going to get the sweepers back out there for future events. It wasn't terrible without them, but getting off the line really did kill your run.

Dean 2012-04-30 05:40 PM

The vacuum only sweepers I saw out there last year suck IMHO (pun intended). The ones with side sweepers, large rotating brush and vacuum are much better for that type of heavy debris.

The first half of the course was tighter than the second, thus the additional debris. There really was only 1 fast line for the second half too, so the debris was there, but off line.

MPREZIV 2012-05-01 06:56 AM

Paging k-dogg39... where's that damn picture!?

k-dogg39 2012-05-01 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV (Post 161221)
Paging k-dogg39... where's that damn picture!?

I will load it up tonight!

k-dogg39 2012-05-02 09:41 AM

So I took a few pics from event 1, I was only able to get the first run group. I am still working on panning with a lower shutter speed to get some motion. But here they are:

Cory Getting crazy:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0059.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0033.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0066.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0069.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0071.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0075.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0082.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0086.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0087.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0091.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0092.jpg

Rory:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0107.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0109.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0113.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0119.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0120.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0123.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0129.jpg

Nick:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0035.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0037.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0038.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0040.jpg

Kyle:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0101.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0100.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0104.jpg

Ahren:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0130.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0132.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0135.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0112.jpg

WRX06TR 2012-05-02 09:46 AM

Awesome! Thanks Kevin!

MPREZIV 2012-05-02 10:48 AM

Awesome! If only my car was as fast as it looks!


damn thing almost never has 4 wheels on the ground...

MattR 2012-05-02 10:54 AM

meh....subarus...:rolleyes:

sperry 2012-05-02 10:56 AM

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...X/DSC_0075.jpg

:lol:

What a goddamn steamroller.

ScottyS 2012-05-02 01:10 PM

That helmet is awesome.

k-dogg39 2012-05-02 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161233)
meh....subarus...:rolleyes:

I refuse to take pictures of your car until it has proper Mini Livery.

Here are a few that my buddy took of mine:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...vent1Pic10.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...vent1pic11.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Event1pic7.jpg
Oops got a bit into the gravel on the first run:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Event1pic2.jpg

For you Mike, to bad it didn't slow you down at all.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...1pic6Mikek.jpg

And a few other cars that were out there:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...SC_0714NEF.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...SC_0762NEF.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...SC_0706NEF.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...SC_0703NEF.jpg

cody 2012-05-02 05:26 PM

Awesome, Cory. I fucking love it.

Autocross is about the only thing I miss about Reno...though the super cush job was nice too. Wish I was still there to whoop ass on y'all. ;)

MattR 2012-05-03 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-dogg39 (Post 161239)
I refuse to take pictures of your car until it has proper Mini Livery.

The Rainbows and Unicorns sticker place is sold out! I don't know what to do now.

sperry 2012-05-03 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR (Post 161243)
The Rainbows and Unicorns sticker place is sold out! I don't know what to do now.

Hearts and Kitty Cats?

rory_a 2012-05-06 09:03 PM

Didn't see these before... Thanks Kevin!

I saw you take that pic when I was waiting for a rerun... Fuming that I just threw away what felt like my best run yet because a cone was out of place.

Gonna need to steal these...

k-dogg39 2012-05-12 09:32 PM

Fun and challenging course today. I can't believe that CRZ may have taken pax.

sperry 2012-05-12 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-dogg39 (Post 161337)
Fun and challenging course today. I can't believe that CRZ may have taken pax.

I liked the open and minimalist approach to the course. It was pretty fun to be able to run all over the place... but the biggest challenge was that the off-line debris got so slippery by my last 2 runs it was spin city.

It's kind of stupid that the biggest challenge was that everyone else was running too tight of a line and left marbles on the actual line. And by "actual line" I mean the line I have to run because of a complete lack of horsepower. :lol:

I think next time I'm gonna show up in the Outback and run in FSP to take PAX. :p

MikeK 2012-05-13 12:14 PM

Round 2 results posted.

MikeK 2012-05-13 03:46 PM

Round 3 results posted.

k-dogg39 2012-05-13 03:59 PM

Damn so close to TTOD!

rory_a 2012-05-13 08:46 PM

So close!


My car does not like autox. Blew out the rear camber again. Slotted strut hole keeps slipping. Need to find a solution for that, and get an alignment. And raise it, cause I'm rubbing the top of my wheel sells.

Dean 2012-05-13 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_a (Post 161345)
So close!


My car does not like autox. Blew out the rear camber again. Slotted strut hole keeps slipping. Need to find a solution for that, and get an alignment. And raise it, cause I'm rubbing the top of my wheel sells.

Weld/redrill the hole and use camber bolts and/or plates is you best option IMHO. In general, anything where the ball joint side of the lower A arm is flat or higher than the inner is bad. The lower the ball side, the better camber curve.

See this for ride heights for probably -'07 Imprezas.
http://www.seccs.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3283

rory_a 2012-05-13 09:57 PM

I have plates and adjustable lat links. But... Need to keep the slotted strut hole from slipping. I'll take a set of camber bolts in to Cory this time around.

Ironically enough, my times kept getting better, as one side got positive.


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