Street racing is super safe. :cool:

By the way, here is the last major thread on the subject, I think. It would save most of the long-time members here the bother of typing out repetitive responses when we can just cut an dpaste. :p

Obviously people are never going to agree, so there is only one way to settle this once and for all ... street race!

Winner does donuts on the losers' souls?

Duckie you seem to be the best person to ask I guess... But they are a club? Are they sponsored by a company called New Era? Or is it just a loosely tied together group of guys that put NEW ERA on the side of their cars in vinyl?

LESS FILLING!!!!!!!!






TASTES GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe that I just wasted a half an hour reading through this thread.

Remember, our fathers and uncles most likely grew up racing 57 Chevy's and other performance cars of the era. Does it make it right, nope.

Hell, my uncle told me at the time he was growing up (late 60's) that the local sheriff's deputies would come out and race all the street racers. Plus, the sheriff's cars were always faster then the local cars. My uncle told me that they all got beat by the cop cars, then the deputies would point out that it would be useless for them to run from him if he pulled them over in town. My uncle tried it once, it didn't work.

Street racers is also how the professional drag racing scene started back in the late 50's. So, I guess some good stuff came from street racing. As I recall, the founders of IHRA got sick and tired of getting busted by the local police for racing their vehicles on public streets.

Laws are ruining street racing.

/thread :lol:

San Diego Sheriff's department sanctions a program for legal street races -- here's their vehicle: http://www.racelegal.com/site/sheriff.htm

Staring at a hot woman isn't illegal :rolleyes: That isn't the same.

Try doing it at work, with someone who isn't a friend, and be unapologetic about it. Harassment, civil suit, etc. Everything is degrees. ;)

Gimme a break, you bastard!!


:lol:

Look here, fucker!

:p
*runs away*

Can't we all just agree that street racing, in its primary definition (a bunch of jackasses running on public streets) is illegal, dangerous, and sophomoric at best. Like Nick keeps saying, being hypocritical doesn't change an argument. I may speed, I may go around corners fast, but I'm always alone. It's never a contest with another person; that ego, that focus on "winning" is what kills innocent people. If I'm a hypocrite, I can live with that, but I won't stand for someone trying to justify some moronic late-night dick-swinging that kills people on a regular basis by comparing it to me rolling along with traffic at 10 over.

And yeah, California is bad (that's one of the reasons I love my wagon, it slips under the radar with all the import profiling) but other places are following. As much as it sucks, administrations have to get funded somehow, and streetracing task forces are an easy way to get a ready-made budget hike. We all pay the price because some failed abortion rams his "race car" into an innocent family pulling into an intersection. We get profiled (at least in CA) becuase these wastes of air associate themselves with us, even if we want nothing to do with them.

I agree with you. And I see the jackass degenerates flying around town and I stare down my nose at them the same way any of you do.

My problem is that there isn't much (if any) separation thus far in this argument in regard to i.e. racing your friend at a stoplight - which I'm sure most of us do or have done. You're being safe, if you catch up to traffic you slow down, you don't take turns at 25 mph faster than you're capable. You're within your limits.

You can be safe, with enough intelligence and restraint. That's basically all I'm trying to get across.

Welp sugartits, let's call it an afternoon.

New era is a local club. A fairly large one and they are mostly show cars. If the founder of the club finds out you street raced you are OUT OF THE CLUB so it amazes me how many of you will come here and bash on them calling them the stupid street racers. That would be like a caop arresting you because you were performance enthusiast and thus must brake the speed limit on the streets. Some of them autocross but most drag race.

To clear some things up about streetracing and me:

1. I am not a street racer and just because I condone it in SOME forms does not mean I am one
2. I never tell someone to go streetrace I tell them to go to the track
3. When I do end up down at the races to see one of my friends, I usually end up yelling at multiple people for their douchebaggery within the parking lot that they choose to meet in.
4. I support the cops trying to stop street racing and wish for them to provide something slightly more viable for lazy people. California hit it on the head here.
5. I have friends who street race, just like you have friends who do illegal things, this does not make them bad people.
6. I recognize that street racing is not going anywhere and I always support those who go about doing it in the safest way possible. Don't give me bullshit how there arent varying degrees of safety in a street race because THERE ARE. An amazing thing happens when you encourage people like this; most of them end up track only people. Most of the fast cars now run track only and it didnt used to be this way. This is largely do to the fact that some people on the "street racing site" promote saftey.


I wont post anymore on the subject because I think there really isnt anything to be discussed, its all been said a million times before.

Good to hear that the "official" club stance is as anti-street racing as us, if not more so. We don't ban people who we know street race. However, this thread got started, and then quickly built up, because many of us have witnessed street racing or related jackassery by cars flying New Are colors. We are in no way being unfair by labeling NEAC as a street racing crew, even though we might be wrong about many of its members.

Yeah, I think this a good point to bring up for everyone here. The discussion degenerated to a discussion about street racing and isn't tied in with New Era at all anymore. Everyone should keep that in mind. I've seen New Era cars around, but never doing anything even remotely stupid -- unless you want to count putting huge vinyl on your car (but at least that is a victimless crime) :p

That's the funny part. Whether they participate in street racing or not, some of the bros I have seen drive like idiotas or rev on me. Not all of them. Actually I was driving somewheres yesterday and I passed one on the freeway. Only he was still retarded because he was doing 65 in the fast lane :mad:

Just an FYI, in case you cared, NEAC was a "tuner shop" here in town, that was in NO WAY affiliated with this group. I know the former owner, and he was frankly kinda pissed that they bit his shop's name! :lol:

Never said they were good drivers, I dont know any of them. What i DO know is their view on things. All though they go down to CC to show off their cars they never race or do burnouts in the lot, or crank their stereo to set off alarms. They put up with a lot of shit and are constantly being egged on to race yet they never do. That shows a great deal of conviction to put up with hundreds of people (yes that many goto CC) calling you fags for not racing. But its not enough that the street racers make fun of them, then you guys do too. It is just frustrating because none of you are angels on the road. You will tell me how you have track experience and driving school but that doesnt change things, by the law you guys drive outside safe limits and so do they. You are no different except they respect you and it seems the majority of you guys have nothing but disrespect for other clubs even when they go out of their way to be legal.

I am going to throw it up to the internet creating trash talking because I know all of you are good guys, I have met a bunch of you after all. Rather than bashing on them, next time give them a handout to a driving school, a flyer for a track day. Next time you see a street racer don't think to yourself "Wow what an asshole" think to yourself "I should let him know how cheap the track is". Offer to meet them down at the track, explain to them (nicely) how there is much less grip on the street and that even if they are driving perfect something could easily go wrong. Care about them because they are a human life instead of saying they are a waste of human life.

I think this is implied by the lot of us here, but there is a definite seperation that might need to be stated aloud for you and anyone else who might not visit regularly. The seperation comes from that moment when one of the two people gets it in their head that they can't lose and will do anything to win the "race". Then their judgement is compromised and they become a hazard to themselves, their friend(s), that little old lady crossing the street who just needed some milk and one egg from the supermarket and the little girl jumping rope on the street corner.

Now, that lack (or loss) of judgement can come at any time, whether it just be just playing around from stop light to stop light, or in a full blown "race". And the more people you get together the more likely a person with bad judgement will show up. And yes, I've seen it at the track too, but it is minor and usually dealt with harshly. For me (and many others) its just not worth going up against some random jackass who probably thinks he's got something to prove. On the other hand, when you go to a track, you are way more likely to find skilled drivers and most everyone leaves their ego at the gate. So more likely then not, you can just have fun and not worry about going up against some idiot who will risk your life and theirs.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I met a guy at Sid's once who gave me a NEAC card. Had a DC Integra, kidna ricy, but seemed a decent guy. I had a hard time convincing him I didn't need a hookup on intakes and lowering springs though. :lol:

Unless it's a competitive race event. :lol: Wheel to wheel racers can be some of the cockiest people in the world.

Oh yeah, I was mainly talking about track days and solo type events. Door-to-door road racers are a completely different beast.

For like the 9th time, hyporicy does not invalidate an argument.

Just because people here drive over the speed limit does not in any way validate or imply that street racing is acceptable. If you'd like to talk about speeding, that's a seperate conversation. No one here is arguing there isn't a gray area when it comes to breaking the traffic laws. What we are saying is that street racing in all its forms are way into the black, and stupid. Going 10 over the limit is in the gray, weaving in and out of traffic is pretty damn dark gray, participating in a contest of speed is way the fuck over the line and has no hit of legitimacy.

There is nothing that I disagree with in this statement. As long as I got my point across ;)

:huh: I give up..

Sorry bro, but you're not going to convince me that you can make a street race safe outside of closing the street to traffic, installing proper barriers/run-off, and staging safety crews and equipment on site. In which case, you're now at a race track. Therefore, under no circumstances is a street race legitimate.

Scott was obviously applying that logic to street racing, not track racing.

Fine.

Those who are making the argument that street racing is "safe" under certain circumstances just don't get it. If me, Scott, and Nick were to run out to double R Boulevard, right this minute, and street race to say, Longley, I would say with 99.99% certainty that no people or property would by harmed by this event. The split on this issue is that apparently some people would still fail to recognize the inherent danger of the event.

Past results do not guarantee future performance.

So, you want to meet in about 15 minutes to prove your theory?

Hey, I got my TEINs there... they did a BUNCH of ricey shit, but simply because that's what their customers wanted! :lol:

They could get you some decent shit, but most people wanted crap, so that's what they were known for!

Sure, but I get 10 car (truck) lengths!

I based that off of what his car had on it (those were basically the only performance items) plus that's what he told me they could get me deals on. :lol:

[mattr]I'll street race you to death![/mattr]

;)

[sperry]And do donuts on your soul![/sperry]

[matt]Street racing for Jesus![/matt]

I do get it. I also understand I could die in a plane crash but I still fly.

That reminds me, is berry boy making some new magnets for lovelock?

OKay guys, marginally back on topic...

From what I've read, heard, discussed, New Era is a car club, who are very much into import car shows, HIN, Nopi etc, I think a big group of them went to vegas a few weeks ago for the huge import show. Truth be told, they aren't run be street racers. From what I can tell, they take great pride in good looking quick cars, and are in it for the lifestyle (nopi phrase)

Now, it may suck for them that they have a few members who drive aggrssively and/or unsafely, becasue it has tarnished their overall image. But NE guys get torn apart on the street racing forums, I don't know how they got such a bum deal, most likely from the fact that they drive cars that "fit the stereotype" but they don't run them on the street. (I know I've been harrassed for the same thing).

Anyway, can we call an end to this street racing battle, this is the evelentybillionthousandths time we've had this discussion.

Have we come up with anything creative?

How about
something like:
"_____________ is ruining autocross" stickers for each of our cars, with a differnet subject in the blank spot, that could be teh funnay

Hell yes! :lol:

Win!
dibs on "momentum cars are ruining autocross"! :lol:

hahahaha...I want "Timing lights are ruining autocross!"

Actually, I think having just a blank line would suffice :lol: And maybe have some of those refridgerator letter magnets to fill in the blanks.

Scott: Please re read my post I am not saying that you guys driving over the speedlimit validates streetracing. I am saying that you and New Era are no different from each other save for the fact of them revving on you (I will never figure this one out as they just dont race anyway).

You all ignored everything I said about the fact that there are differing degrees of saftey or the fact that incouraging racing in its safest manor generally gets people to the track. I am in NO way saying street racing is safe so please re read my posts. It is very easy to take once sentance and form an argument. I have very valid points that aren't arguing for street racing being "correct" but rather the opposite of how to curb street racing yet you chose to ignore them.

MattR: I agree NE got a bad rep for not racing, and now they are getting a bad rep from racing they never did...must be fun to be them. I find it interesting that you guys see a few people who you consider bad drivers and the make the assumption that #1 they all suck at driving and #2 They are streetracers.

Edit: Crub is a funny word, however it makes slightly less sense than curb.

PUBLIC defined, as regards community, rather than private affairs. Public roads are just that for use by the community and not just a segment of the hole. Public streets are for mothers, families, wives, school buses with precious cargo, etc. Racing is a private affair with the participants accepting the risks involved. Leave my family out and the ones I love safe. Control your youthfull energy and focus it on something productive and if you can not control your need for speed go to the race track.