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sperry 2011-08-25 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WRXlerate (Post 157978)
I don't know why subaru has not switched to direct injection, they are falling behind the times. I was hoping to see it when they switched the body style in '08.

The revision to the EJ motor that went into the 2011 Forester is purportedly the first step in a DI motor. The 2012's are supposed to finally have direct injection. Not that it will likely be in the turbo motors that soon. But Subaru has to really do something to get their mileage up... it's too big of a selling point these days, and people don't understand the reason Subaru's mileage numbers aren't as good as other 4-bangers is because of the AWD losses.

A1337STI 2011-08-29 02:06 PM

I wish part of their MPG solution was to lighten up their cars...

with all the modern safety standards I'm not sure they can really do a lot in that area though...

Libila 2011-09-06 05:25 PM

Not that this really says anything that the Jalopnik didn't but...

http://www.subaru-global.com/11frankfurt/teaser/

Nick Koan 2011-11-01 10:49 AM

Subaru is teasing the presses with a "Concept STi" version of the BRZ to be unveiled at the LA Auto show in two weeks.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...led-2011-11-01

They released a pic, but say it isn't the same as what will be unveiled.

Nick Koan 2011-11-01 11:53 AM

Some more "photos"

http://jalopnik.com/5855327/subaru-b...lery/gallery/1

cody 2011-11-01 11:55 AM

Not bad. Looks like an RX-8.

Nick Koan 2011-11-16 10:18 AM

Closer to the real thing

http://jalopnik.com/5860120/

Important bits:

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a 2.0-liter four developed exclusively for the BRZ, with Toyota's direct-injection tech
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Subaru also says the BRZ STI's engine sits 120 mm (4.72 inches) lower than those of other Subaru models, and 240 mm (9.45 inches) closer to the center of the chassis. Thus the ultra-low center of gravity.

Bob Danger 2011-11-29 06:56 PM

Here they are the GT-86, and the BRZ.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...led-2011-11-29

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/t...led-2011-11-28

cody 2011-11-29 07:00 PM

The BRZ looks so much better than the GT-86.

100_Percent_Juice 2011-11-30 11:16 AM

At 0:46 of the GT-86 video there is a really sweet looking badge.

Nick Koan 2011-11-30 09:50 PM

And here is the Scion version that the US will be getting instead of the Toyota.

http://jalopnik.com/5864045/

Basically the same as the Toyota version.

EDIT: I didn't notice this before.



This must be the badge you were talking about juice.

100_Percent_Juice 2011-11-30 10:20 PM

Yeah that's the one I'm talking about. Only the one is the video is painted and looks way better. Here is a screen shot.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/badge.jpg

IheartSTI 2011-12-02 07:18 AM

i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011.

Nick Koan 2011-12-02 09:43 AM

It took me a long time to figure out what that logo was. For a long time, I seriously did think it was a stylized BS.

sperry 2011-12-02 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartSTI (Post 159401)
i saw the scion version at sema. looked amazing! i was really surprised and i think it was the coolest car at sema 2011.

That was the concept car at SEMA, no?

I actually think the production Scion FR-S is rather ho-hum... at least the interior is friggen plain/cheap. Of course, that's the point, I guess.

The production BRZ's interior is a lot nicer... but the exterior is boring. Looks like the best version is the Toyota GT 86 we're not getting in the US (as usual). That said, if this car is as fun to drive as the reviews are hinting, and I fit in it, and it's in the $25k range... I may change my plans of picking up an older 911 in favor of a new BRZ.

Nick Koan 2011-12-02 10:13 AM

Well then, good news for you!

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/

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The BRZ will reportedly start at around $24,000 and rise to $27,000 for the Limited model.

sperry 2011-12-02 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Koan (Post 159405)
Well then, good news for you!

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/

Nice... since I wouldn't get the Limited model anyway. Who wants leather in a car like this? In fact, it's a shame the car comes with Nav standard... I'd rather have no stereo.

Of course... $24,000 on launch day is $32,000 after the dealer markup on a "limited production" car. :mad:

Nick Koan 2011-12-02 12:51 PM

Road and Track has their test drive article up.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/dr...013-subaru-brz

The reason I'm posting this here?

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There are two possible negatives inside. Subaru may call this a 2+2, but that’s being optimistic. It’s more like a 2+ kids. Subaru points out, howevever, that with the folding rear seatback you can fit a pair of golf bags or four racing tires, helmet and tools in back.

Nick Koan 2011-12-02 01:43 PM

Because race car


Edit: I can also see "Proud of BOXER" becoming a thing.

AtomicLabMonkey 2011-12-02 06:15 PM

Sick.

If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car.

Kevin M 2011-12-02 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey (Post 159417)
Sick.

If I didn't need awd, I'd consider that for the next car.

Even around here, I can get AWD in a Subaru for under $5k. This car has me re-assessing medium-term financial planning.

AtomicLabMonkey 2011-12-02 10:43 PM

Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice..

sperry 2011-12-02 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey (Post 159419)
Yeah.. I don't need a sub-$5k shitpile, I already have one of those. My next car is going to be actually nice..

I was going to say... Who really wants a sub $5k Subaru? Especially when any awd Subaru that barely runs is worth about $3000, I can't imagine what $5k gets you.

...unless you want an svx of course. Because $6k will get you my svx and it's in great shape.

cody 2011-12-03 12:22 PM

How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money?

Nick Koan 2011-12-03 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 159446)
How does this compare to something like the Hyundai Genesis Coup? Without doing any of my own research, wouldn't the Hyundai be faster for the same money?

The 2.0T coupe is 210 hp, but in a bigger car with 500+ more pounds. That's $23K. The V6 adds 100hp, and 100 lbs for $27k.

So, I'd personally take the base BRZ (or even the scion) over the 2.0T. Since there is no BRZ STI, the v6 genesis coupe might be a beter deal for straighline speed. Everyone is raving about the BRZ handling, though, so I'd probably still test drive both.


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