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AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 08:51 AM

Galactica
 
Has anyone been watching the Battlestar Galactica remake on Sci-Fi? They just played the miniseries/pilot the last couple of nights, and the series premiere is Friday night. I thought it was really well done, I give it an A-. I haven't seen any good gritty, realistic sci-fi in a long time. :alien:

dknv 2005-01-13 09:40 AM

I saw what I thought was the series premier on NBC, I think on Sat or Sun. I thought it was well-done. Was there another episode already, or a repeat?

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 09:44 AM

From what I have gathered they did a two part miniseries as a pilot last year, which they just replayed the last couple of nights on Sci-Fi channel. Then tomorrow night they're going to start the actual weekly series with a two-hour opener.

sperry 2005-01-13 09:56 AM

I saw the made for TV movie deal that they had.

Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

I probably won't watch the series... chances are the budget will be lower (and therefore the production quality will suffer), and planning my evenings around a Friday night TV show prolly won't work out.

dknv 2005-01-13 10:04 AM

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I saw the made for TV movie deal that they had.

Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

I probably won't watch the series... chances are the budget will be lower (and therefore the production quality will suffer), and planning my evenings around a Friday night TV show prolly won't work out.

I didn't watch the original series, is the 'new Starbuck' the pilot?

I agree with Austin, though, it might be one of the more decent sci-fi series on now. I'm sick of reality shows & do-it-yourself shows. And I'll probably just tape it and watch it later.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 10:30 AM

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Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

Really? I actually liked her character.

I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

Nick Koan 2005-01-13 10:43 AM

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I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

Thats what I really liked about 'Firefly'.

sperry 2005-01-13 11:40 AM

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Other than the fact that the new Starbuck is the most annoying bitch I've ever seen on TV, it was pretty decent, considering that it's made for TV.

Really? I actually liked her character.

I'm not gonna be around most Friday nights either, but I'll tape it to watch later. I just liked the "universe" it's set it, it looks "lived-in", like something that would actually happen. It's not all nice and clean and shiny and perfect like watching Star Trek.

I found her interal drama to be way to manufactured and forced. Like the director told the actress: "okay now you're tough as nails, and nothing can touch you!"... then 2 minutes later: "now you're the vulnerable little girl who's daddy didn't love her enough". She's only got two settings: angry bitch, and whiny bitch. Real people are a little more dynamic and gradiented.

I do agree with the "lived in" aspect of the world. Star Trek has been working hard to dirty up the series ever since NextGen... but since I haven't watched any of the shows since NextGen, so I haven't really seen what's become of the world.

IMO, the best movie/TV Sci-Fi universe is still Star Wars. I just re-watched Empire (since I got the DVDs for X-Mas) and the battle on Hoth *still* gives me goosebumps. No matter how jacked up the prequels are, the "real" (ep. 4-5.5) Star Wars Universe is still gritty, real, and just plain awesome. It makes me wish Lucas never had kids so we wouldn't have to suffer the Ewok syndrome that's added goofy BS to everything since the second half of Jedi.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 12:45 PM

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I do agree with the "lived in" aspect of the world. Star Trek has been working hard to dirty up the series ever since NextGen... but since I haven't watched any of the shows since NextGen, so I haven't really seen what's become of the world.

IMO, the best movie/TV Sci-Fi universe is still Star Wars. I just re-watched Empire (since I got the DVDs for X-Mas) and the battle on Hoth *still* gives me goosebumps. No matter how jacked up the prequels are, the "real" (ep. 4-5.5) Star Wars Universe is still gritty, real, and just plain awesome. It makes me wish Lucas never had kids so we wouldn't have to suffer the Ewok syndrome that's added goofy BS to everything since the second half of Jedi.

Star Trek tried with their later shows, but never pulled it off for me. I know what you mean about SW, I just watched Ep. 4& 5 while I was sick. Empire is my favorite one. I have beef with some of the crap added in the special editions though - Greedo firing first is an even stupider idea than Jar-Jar Binks.

sperry 2005-01-13 01:07 PM

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I do agree with the "lived in" aspect of the world. Star Trek has been working hard to dirty up the series ever since NextGen... but since I haven't watched any of the shows since NextGen, so I haven't really seen what's become of the world.

IMO, the best movie/TV Sci-Fi universe is still Star Wars. I just re-watched Empire (since I got the DVDs for X-Mas) and the battle on Hoth *still* gives me goosebumps. No matter how jacked up the prequels are, the "real" (ep. 4-5.5) Star Wars Universe is still gritty, real, and just plain awesome. It makes me wish Lucas never had kids so we wouldn't have to suffer the Ewok syndrome that's added goofy BS to everything since the second half of Jedi.

Star Trek tried with their later shows, but never pulled it off for me. I know what you mean about SW, I just watched Ep. 4& 5 while I was sick. Empire is my favorite one. I have beef with some of the crap added in the special editions though - Greedo firing first is an even stupider idea than Jar-Jar Binks.

Jedi's more fubar'd as well. The scene in Jabba's Palace absolutely did not need the addition of computer animated singers doing a made-up language song and dance number. The existing scene was already served well with the music and dancers as they were. We are already led to believe that Jabba's a sucessful mob boss and has a taste for extravagent performers, etc. in his palace. The little CGI number has only one purpose: terrible comic relief. It's basically somthing for 5 year olds to giggle at, and it ruins a terrific scene where Skywalker reveals his new found Jedi status.

Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 01:20 PM

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Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time. 8)

Nick Koan 2005-01-13 01:26 PM

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Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time. 8)

Pre-Special Edition?

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 01:33 PM

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Pre-Special Edition?

You got it.

sperry 2005-01-13 01:52 PM

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Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time. 8)

It's a tough toss-up for me... the DVDs look *awesome* and the sound is much better... Luckily Empire (which is easily the best since it was neither written or directed by Lucas) is the least changed. But you do have to put up w/ the extra BS if you want the quality. :(

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 02:01 PM

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It's a tough toss-up for me... the DVDs look *awesome* and the sound is much better... Luckily Empire (which is easily the best since it was neither written or directed by Lucas) is the least changed. But you do have to put up w/ the extra BS if you want the quality. :(

I know.. Lucas is a bastard.

ScottyS 2005-01-13 02:14 PM

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Except for the CGI updates to the space combat scenes, the changes to Episodes 4-6 pretty much make me want to vomit.

Yup, and yup. I haven't bothered getting the DVDs, and I watched my original widescreen unmolested copies on VHS this last time. 8)


Me too. I have boycotted the first three episodes, and have not seen any of these pandering kiddie shows with the exceptions of the trailers forced upon me.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 02:35 PM

I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

Nick Koan 2005-01-13 02:47 PM

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I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

Hopefully. But I ain't holding my breath.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 02:48 PM

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I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 02:54 PM

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I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

Yeah that's my complaint. All of Episode I should have been compressed to about 15-20 minutes at the beginning of Episode II (rightfully, Episode I). Then, Episode II should have been the Clone wars, and towards the end the beginnings of Anakin -> Darth Vader. then, Episode III could have been, Darth Vader vs. the universe of Jedis. Remember, every Jedi you see in Episodes I-III with the exception of Yoda and ObiWan Kenobi is killed. By Vader. That's a lot. Plenty to fill 2 hours of screen time. Oh yeah, and the only important plotline of the entire prequel series, the smuggling/hiding of Luke and Leah from Anakin.

MikeSTI 2005-01-13 02:56 PM

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I'm telling you guys, Episode III will be much improved. Tons of Jedi badass fighting, and an army of Wookiees. What else do you need? Oh yeah, more yoda beating down the bad guys too.

It goddamn well better be, because they have a metric shitload of plot to wrap up between where II stopped and where IV picks up. In my opinion they really wanked around with telling the story in I & II (among other things, obviously) and wasted time on the more uninteresting parts of the backstory, instead of getting into the meaty stuff.

haha its like the car thing :roll:

they could have made it better but knew they could make money as is :lol: :lol:

it will be funny, is when it came out, they trick you into a two part series 3 and 3.5 to fill in the gaps :lol: :lol: :lol: (knows that wont happen so please, just a joke)

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 03:10 PM

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Remember, every Jedi you see in Episodes I-III with the exception of Yoda and ObiWan Kenobi is killed. By Vader. That's a lot. Plenty to fill 2 hours of screen time. Oh yeah, and the only important plotline of the entire prequel series, the smuggling/hiding of Luke and Leah from Anakin.

Not to mention the fall of the Republic, formation and expansion of the Empire & its military, massive socio-political upheaval from such a drastic shift in government, formation of the Rebellion... little things like that. :roll:

Kevin M 2005-01-13 03:14 PM

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Remember, every Jedi you see in Episodes I-III with the exception of Yoda and ObiWan Kenobi is killed. By Vader. That's a lot. Plenty to fill 2 hours of screen time. Oh yeah, and the only important plotline of the entire prequel series, the smuggling/hiding of Luke and Leah from Anakin.

Not to mention the fall of the Republic, formation and expansion of the Empire & its military, massive socio-political upheaval from such a drastic shift in government, formation of the Rebellion... little things like that. :roll:

The first two have been covered, the third one brushed upon, and the last will hopefully happen in Episode III, but I'm not holding my breath.

Nick Koan 2005-01-13 03:15 PM

Lucas is just going to renumber the original star wars as 7-9. Then create another trilogy 4-6 that will cover all these issues.

Then he'll decide that episodes 7-9 are crap and can't be fixed by another "super-ultra special edition", and reshoot them all with Jar-Jar and Ewoks only.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 03:20 PM

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The first two have been covered, the third one brushed upon, and the last will hopefully happen in Episode III, but I'm not holding my breath.

Covered?? Bah! Hinted at, at best.

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Lucas is just going to renumber the original star wars as 7-9. Then create another trilogy 4-6 that will cover all these issues.

Then he'll decide that episodes 7-9 are crap and can't be fixed by another "super-ultra special edition", and reshoot them all with Jar-Jar and Ewoks only.

This sounds much more accurate. :lol:

Dean 2005-01-13 03:41 PM

Wasn't there supposed to be a 7-9 originally after they went back for 1-3? A trilogy of trilogies?

Kevin M 2005-01-13 03:47 PM

Lucas has said absolutely not. So hopefully when he's dead, somebody with some filmmaking talent will buy the rights and do it the way it should be done.

Honestly though, the real issue is casting. How do you pick up from the end of Episode VI with an all-new cast? How far ahead do you take it? Or, if you were to start in 3-4 years, would it be worth attempting to get the cast together? Hamill would be in, Ford could be convinced, but Carrie Fisher hates everything that is Star Wars. (I think it's trauma from the gold bikini :P)

dknv 2005-01-13 03:51 PM

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Wasn't there supposed to be a 7-9 originally after they went back for 1-3? A trilogy of trilogies?

Originally, yes. Too bad they pace slowed down, and now it seems impossible.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 03:59 PM

On the bright side, there is a Lucas-sanctioned series ov novels that picks up at the end of Jedi. They're actually pretty good. But now there's like 45 paperbacks that are "official" and like 200 that aren't. Probably the first 4-5 stand-alone novels, and a handful of book trilogies are well worth reading. I have most of those, scattered about with my belongings.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 04:01 PM

The Thrawn storyline trilogy by Timothy Zahn was excellent IMO; after those were written some of the books were good, some weren't.. quality generally declined.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 04:02 PM

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The Thrawn storyline trilogy by Timothy Zahn was excellent IMO; after those were written some of the books were good, some weren't.. quality generally declined.

Agreed. Some of the writers chosen were much more suitable than others. Among the later ones (that I've read) the Han Solo trilogy was pretty cool.

sperry 2005-01-13 04:42 PM

Getting back tot he plot lines that need to be covered in Ep. 3... "The fall of the Republic" is actually covered in Ep. 4 about 10 minutes into it when one of the Admirals says "The Senate is no longer a problem, the Emperor just disbanded them", or something to that effect.

Pretty weaksauce, but technically the Republic isn't gone until *after* the rebellion has started and the Death Star is built, etc.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 05:05 PM

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Getting back tot he plot lines that need to be covered in Ep. 3... "The fall of the Republic" is actually covered in Ep. 4 about 10 minutes into it when one of the Admirals says "The Senate is no longer a problem, the Emperor just disbanded them", or something to that effect.

Pretty weaksauce, but technically the Republic isn't gone until *after* the rebellion has started and the Death Star is built, etc.

Actually I look at it another way; Tarkin says "The Imperial Senate" has been dissolved, which implies a different governing body than the old "Republic Senate" - which would mean that the Republic had fallen long ago and different institutions were in place in the time of IV. It's a subtle point, I know, but it's also backed up by Ben Kenobi & Luke's conversations in the beginning of IV too, when he talks about "before the dark times... before the Empire", referencing "Imperial stormtroopers", etc. etc. These other points also imply that the Republic was long since gone and the Empire was firmly established. The Imperial Senate would have just been a largely ceremonial body to let the people keep their illusions of self-government. Even the harshest and most dictatorial of Roman Emperors never completely abolished the Roman Senate, because they knew better - it's a key to maintaining order in the populace.

Or that's my take on it, anyway. :lol:

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:06 PM

ummm... what was this thread about again?

sperry 2005-01-13 05:09 PM

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Getting back tot he plot lines that need to be covered in Ep. 3... "The fall of the Republic" is actually covered in Ep. 4 about 10 minutes into it when one of the Admirals says "The Senate is no longer a problem, the Emperor just disbanded them", or something to that effect.

Pretty weaksauce, but technically the Republic isn't gone until *after* the rebellion has started and the Death Star is built, etc.

Actually I look at it another way; Tarkin says "The Imperial Senate" has been dissolved, which implies a different governing body than the old "Republic Senate" - which would mean that the Republic had fallen long ago and different institutions were in place in the time of IV. It's a subtle point, I know, but it's also backed up by Ben Kenobi & Luke's conversations in the beginning of IV too, when he talks about "before the dark times... before the Empire", referencing "Imperial stormtroopers", etc. etc. These other points also imply that the Republic was long since gone and the Empire was firmly established. The Imperial Senate would have just been a largely ceremonial body to let the people keep their illusions of self-government. Or that's my take on it, anyway. :lol:

Don't forget... "the Governers will have direct control and fear of this battle station will keep them in line!"

Actually, I bet we can't really gleen any real information from that scene since Lucan hadn't hardly thought out any of the pre-story yet at that point... it was just political gibberish to make the audience realize that there were large political issues at hand behind the scenes.. not just space guys blowing stuff up.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:10 PM

As I understand it, Lucas originally did screenplays for all 9 episodes at once, then chose IV-VI to actually film first.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:12 PM

Uber-cliff notes of each trilogy:

I-III: Republic is barely effective, but tame government. Evil bad guy wants to take over. Sneaky political manipulation ensues.

IV-VI: Evil bad guy is firmly in control of the galaxy. Old government good guys want it back. Fight ensues, good triumphs.

VII-IX: Evil bad guy's minions want the government back. More fighting. Dark Helmet's maxim proven wrong.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-13 05:13 PM

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ummm... what was this thread about again?

Something completely different than what we're talking about 1 page later - this surprises you these days? :lol:

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:14 PM

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ummm... what was this thread about again?

Something completely different than what we're talking about 1 page later - this surprises you these days? :lol:

I just thought this thread was particularly illustrative of our MO these days. :P

sperry 2005-01-13 05:17 PM

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As I understand it, Lucas originally did screenplays for all 9 episodes at once, then chose IV-VI to actually film first.

Um no... Lucas didn't even write the screen plays for the 1st three movies.

A New Hope: Written/Directed by Lucas

Empire: Story by Lucas, Screenplay by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan, Directed by Irving Kershner

Jedi: Story by Lucas, Screenplay by Kasdan and Lucas, Directed by Richard Marquand (although in reality Lucas did a lot of the directing too since Marquand was a n00b)

Lucas had a simple general outline based on his own interpretations of well known ancient myths, but no details until shortly before the movies were made.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:20 PM

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A New Hope: Written/Directed by Lucas

Empire: Story by Lucas,

Jedi: Story by Lucas,

Lucas had a simple general outline based on his own interpretations of well known ancient myths, but no details until shortly before the movies were made.

"Screenplay" was a poor word choice on my part.

Right, it wasn't fully fleshed out, but the basic events were in place. that's what I understood at least. I'm sure Episode I-III are far removed from his original ideas in some repsects.

sperry 2005-01-13 05:27 PM

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"Screenplay" was a poor word choice on my part.

Right, it wasn't fully fleshed out, but the basic events were in place. that's what I understood at least. I'm sure Episode I-III are far removed from his original ideas in some repsects.

Actually, I think we'd be surprised how general the plot lines were before the screenplays were written. From what I've heard, Lucas just did a lot of research about what sort of plot lines make for "good" mythology by studying ancient myths. Stuff like "the unwitting hero" and the issues of lineage (Vader is Luke's father) and the "spirits of the past" guiding the living (aka the dead Jedi). Plus the use of swords instead of guns, and the idea of the Force...

I don't think the political backstory, or much of anything else outside of the basic themes, were really fleshed out until the movies were actually written. Which is also why Empire is so much better... it wasn't really written by Lucas. He told them that the rebels need to get their asses kicked and that Luke needed to find out Vader was his father... the writers were the ones that made the movie rule.

Kevin M 2005-01-13 05:35 PM

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"Screenplay" was a poor word choice on my part.

Right, it wasn't fully fleshed out, but the basic events were in place. that's what I understood at least. I'm sure Episode I-III are far removed from his original ideas in some repsects.

Actually, I think we'd be surprised how general the plot lines were before the screenplays were written. From what I've heard, Lucas just did a lot of research about what sort of plot lines make for "good" mythology by studying ancient myths. Stuff like "the unwitting hero" and the issues of lineage (Vader is Luke's father) and the "spirits of the past" guiding the living (aka the dead Jedi). Plus the use of swords instead of guns, and the idea of the Force...

I don't think the political backstory, or much of anything else outside of the basic themes, were really fleshed out until the movies were actually written. Which is also why Empire is so much better... it wasn't really written by Lucas. He told them that the rebels need to get their asses kicked and that Luke needed to find out Vader was his father... the writers were the ones that made the movie rule.

Hmmm... who wrote Episode III? I'm hoping for some guy that GL told "the Jedis/Republic get their asses kicked, and Anakin becomes Darth Vader. Go go go!" :lol:

tysonK 2005-01-13 10:42 PM

wow I got in on this too late, the intraweb broke here today.

Nick, I also really liked 'Firefly'

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-14 04:27 PM

Series premiere tonight!

tysonK 2005-01-15 02:53 PM

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Series premiere tonight!

I watched the Battlestar with my Dad last night at their house.

I liked it.

dknv 2005-01-17 10:06 AM

On Sunday SciFi played the pilot (4 hrs.), which filled in some holes that I missed from the NBC broadcast. But since I didn't tape it, and stepped away for a few minutes, what was the bit about jumping every 33 minutes?

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-17 10:15 AM

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On Sunday SciFi played the pilot (4 hrs.), which filled in some holes that I missed from the NBC broadcast. But since I didn't tape it, and stepped away for a few minutes, what was the bit about jumping every 33 minutes?

The fleet was being tracked by someone or something on one of the ships, which the Cylons were picking up on within 33 minutes - the number is arbitrary, it's just how long it was taking for the Cylons to find them after each jump.

dknv 2005-01-17 04:15 PM

Thanks Austin.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-01-17 08:39 PM

No problem. I'm here for random Battlestar plot info needs. :lol:


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