Stupid Kids, STIs are for Adults
 

So you guys remember a kid by the name of Sam, whose father bought him an 05 Crystal Gray STI, he hung out with the club for a while. Anyways Sam approached a friend of mine with an 11 second Nova talking crap like most teenagers.
He said, "My STI dynoed at 485 horsepower to the WHEELS"
When asked to run the 11 second Nova or show some form of proof he refused. I saw his car the other day, and it does not have 485 horses. Whats wrong with kids these days, they give us young racers bad names.

Sam, if you read this don't be stupid either tell the turth, or back up your claim.

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(SHAKES HEAD) Some People's kids .. lol

He was at the meet last week with an Evo MR. Must suck to be him.

Totally different guy...

What Matt said...... the guy with the MR lives on my street. :D

what an insult :lol:

485 to the wheels, must be running NOS and a motec stand alone :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Teens will be teens, so whatever... but his dad is obviously an idiot if he bought his teenage son a brand new 300hp car. :roll:

Okay. Must suck to be some totally different guy too. :lol:

I know Sam & his dad, they are family friends from my Carson City days. I would not call them an idiot.

I was thinking it was good that at least Sam did not try to 'prove' his claim -- which may have it's own set of negative consequences including breaking the law, breaking the car, etc.

Most of us don't understand the reasoning behind giving a teenager a 300hp car, or 'worse', you all have seen the stories where a 16 y/o gets a Ferrari or a Lamborghini - I guess it's that particular family's value system and financial ability. I thought the STi was going to be a car that Sam and his dad would share and do things with like autocrossing or taking it to tracks (and bond as dad & son); and least the STi is also a decent car in the winter, has great safety ratings. So maybe there are other reasons we don't see.

As far as a claim of 485 hp to the wheels - did your Nova friend ask to see the dyno chart, instead of challenging him to a duel? I mean, you can be mature about it and chalk it up to a teenager's 'talking crap', or you can try to 'put him in his place'.

The only thing in my mind that gives young racers a bad name, are those who illegally street race, and end up hurting someone.

All right, all right. You know them, I don't; I'll retract my idiot statement. It smacks of poor judgement to me though, especially if the car is primarily driven by the kid, by himself. I know what a piss-poor driver I was at that age (even though I thought I was shit-hot), as well as everybody else my age I knew at the time, so unless he's had significant car control training I wouldn't expect him to be any different.

Hey Austin, I didn't mean to jump into your sh## for your comment, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. And you've been right about stuff far more often than I am ... :)

And, I just re-read the original post, and see where the Nova driver asked for proof, so I retract my comment about why he didn't ask to see a dyno chart.

Haha, when I was 16 I got to drive the family Ford Galaxie, what a boat! Boy, yeah, I thought I was hot shit too. I drove that thing from Fairfield, to Santa Clara & San Francisco and all over N. California, with all my friends piled in. I am lucky I never had an incident. Makes me dread when my kids start to drive. One thing is certain, they WILL have as many opportunities as possible for car control training before they get let loose.

Exactly my thoughts as well... :shock:

I do recall Sam coming to some of our meets in the STi, *before* he even had his license. He may be a good driver, and he may have some karting experience... but he certainly shouldn't have been driving around alone on his learner's permit, especially in an STi. I've also heard rumors about him street racing others in said STi.

Regarding the horsepower claim... 485 awhp a rediculous claim to make w/o any sort of support. Hell, the "World's Fastest New Age WRX" that Easystreet made doesn't even claim to have that much power. If it's true, then Sam's dad is loony to let *anyone* drive a car like that on the street, since an STi w/ that much power would be nearly un-streetable due to the noise and idling quality alone. If it's not true, then Sam is contributing to "giving young racers a bad name" by being one of those kids that talks a lot of made up shit that instigates issues (for example getting himself challenged by another kid in a Nova).

IMO, I think the "family value system" exhibited by Sam and his father lie closer to the "idiot" side of things than the "intelligent" side of things. If Sam's father wants a bonding experience racing an STi together, and if they have the money to do it, they should build the STi to be a track car, and race it together at Stead, or at full on race tracks. It shouldn't be driven around on the street, especially not by someone that's demonstrated he's interested in impressing his friends w/ the car and its mods. I know if I had a kid that was friends w/ Sam, I certainly wouldn't want him/her out riding around in a "485 awhp" car driven by a 16 yr. old... regardless of that 16 yr. old's driving experience. It's excessive and unecessary for *anyone* to have a car that fast on the street regularly. Hell, I've got a 198 awhp car that I think is excessive for being daily driven, which is why I've now got a 134 awhp car to drive on the street.

This is of course my own opinion based on what I've seen and heard myself. I'm sure you know them better than I do, but from what I've seen, Sam's not much different from every other 16 yr. old w/ a car that's too fast, and I'd be worried about him crashing it while showing off his "mad skillz".

I do consider myself friends with Sam and his father even though, we havn't spoken in a while. I do disagree with what he's been doing with is car, street racing is a dangerous and stupid activity. I also disagree with his fathers actions of purchasinging him a 300hp awd car for his first car, but he hasn't crashed it so maybe i'm wrong. Besides who am i to judge anyone for anything all i can do is voice my opinion.

-Bob Danger

What bugs me about the situation is people referring to car control clinics and such as preparation for giving an inexperienced driver a fast car. I say, who cares how good he is with it on a race track. The only criteria for whether or not a young person should be allowed to drive a car like that is whether or not they have the judgement and self control to leave their skills on the racetrack and not drive the car any differently than a"proper" first car would be. There's almost never cause for going full throttle in a car liek that on the road, and definitely no cause for trying to push the limits, or even come close, in cornering and such. While it's all obviously hearsay, signs obviously point to the kid in question not possessing the proper judgement to warrant being in an STi.

i guess a parent will know best in deciding what's best for his/her kid... even if that means buying them an STi. Also, i think a persoon is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money.. after all it is theirs and who are we to tell them how to spend it. STi's are awesome cars and there's nothing wrong with a 16 yr old kid having one. *not that it's a great idea*

as far as the horsepower claim, thats just stupid.. 485 = race block + dyno jet and tons of tuning. It might be harder for you "older" (no offense of course) guys to remember your highschool days BUT, you might be able to recall a time or two when the "racers" claimed that their car ran 11's or had xxxx horsepower.. or maybe it was just my highschool that had silly boy ricers. Point being, since he is still in Highschool, so i'm not that suprised things like that are being said. He'll get over it in like a year or two.. haha Anyway, thats just my opinion.

I saw him pulled over on my way to work a week or two back. His car is looooow.

I street race.

Well said..

That was a helpful contribution to the discussion. :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Winner !!!!!!


That says he is not afraid to speak his mind .. lol

People are just as entitled to buy whatever they want as we are to voice our opinions about said purchases.

I only mentioned it earlier because of my own experience at that age. I was Mr. Responsible for the most part, but when driving around on my own I would occasionally drive outside my skill level... fortunately I didn't get hurt. That's why my kids will have better training, in addition to the requisite coaching/understanding about how they shouldn't be doing it in the first place, etc...

From what I hear, he bought some crap-brand coil overs and slammed it to the ground. For a while there he only had the front lowered because he didn't have time to install the rear ones. I think he drove around with the "raked" look for a week or two.

Good point in part. I certainly would never recommend AGAINST good behind the wheel car control triaining, but I'd rather see someone with no formal training and some common sense behind the wheel of an STi, than a loose nut who thinks he's invincible because he doesn't hit cones at autocross. Proper training is an asset to a responsible driver, and quite potentially a liability in someone with poor judgement and a fast car.

:P

boys will be boys and it will not stop no mater how much coaching they get..................


................thats why my kids will get a 75hp street car :D

VW bug baby. That was my first car.1969 1500 single port with 61hp. Car was too slow to do anything stupid.
It is not my place to say that he shouldn't have got the STi as his first car. However, I will agree with Austin that because his actions on the road effect many motorist, we are entitled to are opinions on the subject.

W00t for VWs!

My mother, father, and sister all had Bugs for their first car. My first Bug was actually my second car. I got a hand-me-down Cavalier which my mother totaled. Then I got my 71 Standard. I learned how to drive in the snow with that car, and I it was the first of my cars that I worked on.

I got an '87 ford bronco for my first car...

My first car was a PURPLE 1988 Mazda RX-7 it was so awesome.

my first care was an IROC Z .. lol i was 14..lol

I loved my first car! Paid $400 for an '84 ford LTD. It was an old detectives car. The performance motor V8. It was a land yacht. It was fast, and big, and a whole lotta fun until I cracked the block. I didn't know any better.

My 1982 Audi 4000 5-spd had a whopping 74hp when it rolled out of the factory. I remember the number distinctly from the owner's manual. :lol:

and look how we all turned out. I'm telling yah if you want your kids to think of other things to do then street race you can't give them a fast car to start with....................nature of the beast

Not exactly. If you raise your kid right, he should behave himself regardless of the car he's driving. Failing to do so can't be corrected by giving him a POS to learn in. Look at how many kids have street racing incidents in 1.5 liter civics and the like.

Based on my behavior (I wasn't really misbehaved, but I did drive beyond my distance and #of passengers boundaries) I will probably want to equip the car my kids will drive with a gps or some kind of tracking mechanism. :lol: As well as lots of safety features.

Theoretically.

ok you got me there :roll:

what you need to know is its not how you raise your kids, it's more about who your kids friends are when it comes to racing 1.5 liter's illegaly. Besides the 1.5's your talking about are not stock and thier still idiots!!! :lol: I'm saying my kids first car/truck will be the furthest thing from anything that could or would be raced in any condition. Then I will teach them in the family race car, where is the safest place to race. Hell I might even tell thier friends to come along so they can still get "mad street cred" for being a racer!

Either way you cant teach your kids not to do dumb shit (its bound to happen they have thier perents to think for that), you just hope they learn from the little shit and never find themselves in the deep shit. :wink:

I think its how you raise your kids, which eventually turns out to include YOU telling them(kids) what types of friends to watch out for(ie. bad peers)

:)

Mike, that's a bunch of shit! :lol:

All this talk about shit reminds me of a memo I once got:
In order to assure the highest levels of quality work and productivity from employees, it will be our policy to keep all employees well trained through our program of Special High Intensity Training (SHIT).
We are trying to give our employees more SHIT than anyone else. If you feel that you do not receive your share of SHIT on the job, please see your manager. You will be immediately placed at the top of the SHIT list. Our managers are especially skilled at seeing that you get all the SHIT you can handle.
Employees who don't take their SHIT will be placed in the Departmental Employee Evaluation Program (DEEP SHIT). Those who fail to take DEEP SHIT seriously will have to go to Employee Attitude Training (EAT SHIT). Since our managers took SHIT before they were promoted, they don't have to do SHIT anymore, as they are full of SHIT already.
If you are full of SHIT, you may be interested in a job training others. We can add your name to our Basic Understanding Lecture List (BULLSHIT). Those who are full of BULLSHIT will get the SHIT jobs and can apply for promotion to Director of Intensity Programming (DIP SHIT).
If you have further questions, please direct them to our Head Of Training, Special High Intensity Training (HOT SHIT).
Thank you,
Boss In General, Special High Intensity Training (BIG SHIT)

Wouldn't that be "DIT SHIT"?

oops, fixed it.

my point is that Sam was raised right.....................so what happened???? It can not be as easy as how you raise your kids. If you think you can raise your kid (s) not to street race, then by all means tell us your secret as I'm sure a lot of parents would like to know how to do that?

IMO I think children who drive lead 2 lives. The parents see a child who was raised right and respects the rules of the road. However when said child is behind the wheel in front of his peers, common sense can fly out the window.

Well, the 1st thing to note, is that not all kids are into cars as they grow up. I really wasn't that into 'em until college... I was a computer nerd before then (and some would argue, since then as well). So if your kids aren't motorheads, I don't think there's much to worry about.

Now then, if I had a kid that *was* into cars, I'd do everything I could to help them persue that interest. I'd have no problem helping them to buy and mod their car. I'd support any racing series they're interested in... even if it's drifting or drag racing :lol:. But I'd make it very clear... if you get caught screwing around on the street... it's all over. No car, no racing, no nothing. Your ass is bus bait.

The hope is that since I'd try to involve them in the sport early, not only would they have good driving ability, they'd also have respect for the danger as well. (Sorta like raising kids around guns... they know how to handle 'em, and they respect the danger, without being scared little panzies about it.) Coupled w/ the threat of losing their driving/racing privledges, I'd hope they'd have enough sense to keep it legal on the street, even if/when their idiot friends goad them on.

'Course, I've got no kids, so I'm just speculating.

That's EXACTLY how I plan to handle kids when they're learning to drive. It's understandable for young people to simply not believe there's actual danger in driving too carelessly or too fast. But giving them a hard, concrete case of what will happen to them, immediately, if they screw up goes a lot farther towards regulating behavior.

I don't know about that... most of the guys in the band in HS weren't car guys at all, and we still ended up playing "car tag" racing WOT around the local neighborhood streets at 1am on a Saturday night. :shock: