Top Gear video *beware*
 

Dont get me wrong guys, you all know i love STi's and subaru's in general. so if you have a firm hate for evo's do NOT watch this video. but i do believe A true Enthusiast would enjoy watching the video. anyway, it's the first time i've ever seen it.
It's very interesting to see the difference in performance around the track side by side.

That STi's got great color doesn't it? also, the JDM fog's look sick!

let me know what you all think. :)
http://media.racingflix.com/rfvids/r..._vs_WRXSti.wmv

I always knew this site was full of little boys... ;)

Hey now. Only Evo owners are allowed to say that ;)

Can GVR-4 owners get in on that?

why won't this vid work for me.

Touche.

The link doesn't work me me either.

downloading now - 356kb :cool:

watched the vid........the only thing I can say is - have fun trying to get a FQ320 in the states....... oh and did you see the price difference between a reg. Evo VIII and the FQ320 model? I want to say thanks for showing me that the 50K plus car (not avalible here) can beat my 30K car :lol:

I guess if you want a mans car you must live in England.....:lol:

I didn't watch the vid... but:

FQ320 = 30,000 UK Pounds = $52,700 US Dollars
UK STi Spec-C = 27,500 UK Pounds = $48,300 US Dollars

They're only about $4500 apart, not $20,000.

In case anyone was wondering, "FQ" stands for fucking quick. Perdon le french. And even more obvious than that, 320 stands for the amount of horsepower. I was reading a Sport Compact Car rag a couple months back, and if I remember correctly, there is an even faster evo, like fq 400 or something like that.

There are a bunch of FQ's:

http://www.fastsaloons.com/carindex....order=0&man=14

well Im glad you had the knoledge to answer that.............the 20k I was talking about would be the price of "MY CAR" vs. the FQ320. Considering that the "WR1" was the car they compared it to in the clip anyways, witch is about the same price in the UK as the FQ320.

now in the clip they show the WR1 as only .6 sec faster then my STi, with this in mind I would save my cash and buy a USDM STi.............and save 20k :P

Comparing the UK's FQ320 directly to the US's STi isn't a useful comparison. Cars in the UK are simply more expensive than they are here. That's why I used the UK Spec-C in my price comparison, since it's the closest to what we've got here in the States.

If the FQ320 was available in the US, it would be significantly cheaper than it is in the UK. Assuming the 35% price difference between the US Sti and the UK Spec-C carries over to the FQ320 if it were brought to the US, the FQ320 would cost approximately $34,200. Which is actually even less than the $4500 difference over the STi I already guessed.

The bottom line: the FQ320 is serious bang for the buck... probably even more-so than the US STi. But I'd still rather have the 2.5L motor.

I didn't compare Top Gear did......

It isnt available here so No, your still wronge, its a 50k car no matter how you cut it!!!! (even if you math is right)........ I'm sure the FQ line would cost more then the MR line?

your right!!! for 50k it can hang with cars 2 - 4 times its value, but so can almost any car ( 20 - 30k base price + 20 - 30k mods)

No, you said "I want to say thanks for showing me that the 50K plus car (not avalible here) can beat my 30K car". You directly compared the FQ320 to your US STi.

Since the car isn't available in the US, I did the best thing I could: use equivalent cars to estimate the US price so I could compare it to the US STi. If that car was worth $50k here in the states, I'm sure Mitsubishi would be selling them here... as it is, they have a hard enough time selling regular EVOs at $27k. Likewise, the US STi sells for much more than $31k overseas... it's cheaper here in the US because of the expectations of US buyers. It's not an issue of "no matter how you cut it"... a car is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

So if you want to compare your US STi's bang-to-buck ratio vs. the UK's FQ320's bang-to-buck ratio, you have to compare apples-to-apples, which means either estimating the value of the US STi in the UK, or estimating the value of the FQ here in the States. Otherwise your comparison is worthless.

FYI: the FQ320 *is* an EVO MR... just tuned. In the UK, the FQ300 (which is what I'd guess is closest to our EVO MR) goes for 28,000 UK pounds, which is about $49,800. The US EVO MR's MSRP is $34,700... which is about 30% cheaper than it's UK sister, and right in line with my previous estimates.


I'll agree to this statement... but I don't agree that the EVO FE320 counts as a car that's 2-4 times as expensive as the STi.

again thanks for the imput...........maybe you should have just watched the video

Well, thats not quite fair.

If you were in Britan, the USDM STi would be very expensive to import. Probably close to what either the FQ or the WR1 would cost (if not more).

If you were in the US (like, of course, we are), then of course the FQ would be ridiculiously expensive. I don't know anyone that would import it here, pay the UK price plus the necessary import fees. That would be just plain stupid. Why not just get a USDM STi or EVO (MR or not).

The FQ, relatively speeking of its destined market, is quite a good bang for the buck.

(and yes, I did watch the video)

Turns out I've seen it... a few weeks ago when it was posted over on NASIOC.

And there isn't a lick of information regarding price conversions and car values between the US and UK, and therefore has zero impact on our discussion, aside from being the genesis of your statement that the STi has a higher performance to value ratio.

haha it's funny. all i wanted to do was show a cool video. dont need to go freaking out.. both are great cars and let just say, the SAME type of tests were done in the UNITED STATES on both USDM cars. the STi still had the understeer and the Evo was slower in straight line speed. and here we're talking almost no price difference. I think a more fair comparison would have been teh STi spec C.. but it costs more.. i only say that because money seems to be a heated topic of debate here. anyway, i like both cars alot and have read enough magazines that have tried to prove that one is better than the other..

I don't know about freaking out.

Just a little conversation!

Tyson stop freaking out

I'm freaking out man.

Candybars

lap times:

Evo FQ320 - 1:26
Evo FQ300 - 1:28.9

WRX STi WR1 -1:29.4
USDM WRX STi - 1:30.1

Yeah, me too. It crashed my FireFox.......

Right click, save as...

Should be good to go. I clicked on it too, but for some reason the Firefox extension handler didn't work properly, and it ruined my browser.

when I do right click saving option it saves it as a text document! :liljon:

change the extension to .wmv and have at it.

A rear sway bar and tire pressure check would help the WR1 plus I have had a EVO I still think the gear box is shit oh yeah mike your actual car would kill that car so dont fell bad :P

actually, the gear box/transmission is good on the evo.. it's very strong and durable. however it's not quite as smooth as the STi.. well not quite is an understatment.. it really blows ass compared to the feel of the wrx/Sti tranny's. the clutch on the other hand.. sucks balls.. and thats a 2000 dollar mod... haha

i'ts been 2 months since i've driven the evo.. i'm beginning to think my 91 integra is fast! woo hooooo

Do you need somebody to car sit? I'm sure one of us would be willing to "start it up" now and again as needed or not... :)

I'd be willing to auto-x it! :lol:

Ssssshhhhh

Why the hell arnt you driving your evo?! Are you in Hawaii?

Evo > Sti - period. :D

You've owned neither. The ony member of the board to have owned both kept his STi. Hmmm.... ;)

That's only 'cause his wife made him sell it. :lol:

I think what the video demonstrates, once again, is that the EVO is the better handling car out of the box than the STi. The Subaru is just plagued by a pushy factory setup, probably due to safety concerns. I'd bet a factory EVO vs. a factory STi + rear swaybar would be damn near identicle... but stock-for-stock, the EVO's gonna be faster on a course w/ turns.

There are other kinds of courses? Why? :huh:

What are you talking about Dustin owns both an STi and an EVO MR.

I thought he had a WRX and an EVO MR. I'm probably wrong, since I can keep up w/ all the members anymore. :lol:

That what I was saying ;)

Nope he has a black 05 sti and the MR, not no mention a sweet ducati (think that is the brand bike)

sergios has a WRX and a Evo, but not an MR.

Most OEM's love to design roll understeer into their cars. Their corporate law departments can be thanked for that. Given no rules restrictions, I'd fix the bump- and compliance-steer on a car first before changing spring & bar rates. Otherwise, you're just reducing overall grip...

A rear swaybar is only gonna cost about $300-$400 (including endlinks and mounts) and takes about an hour to install, and makes the car a butt-load more neutral.

What would you suggest to do to the front-end to get the same effect at the same cost/simplicity? I can't think of anyway to gain front traction for so cheap. 'Cept for maybe trying to run some R-compounds up front that exactly match the RE070's diameter at the rear. :lol:

Buy or make your own bolt/rod-end setup to replace the OE outer tie rods, and bumpsteer it to eliminate the toe-out-during-bump response that it probably has. After that I'd start replacing control arm/subframe bushings with a hard material like delrin...

I'm not sure if this one is there, but there are tons of Top Gear videos posted on WRXF if your interested. I'll have to check this one out tonight to see if its the one I think it is. :)

http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=19611