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JC 2005-11-09 07:31 AM

These crazy ass Atlanta people...
 
It's an STi and that's to the wheels.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/badazzcr/Dan1.jpg

M3n2c3 2005-11-09 07:55 AM

:huh:

JC 2005-11-09 08:41 AM

I almost forgot the crazy part...

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Yeah suspension might be a good idea. Right now with race gas in second gear it feels like the front tires are off the ground when boost hits. You can feel it in the steering wheel.

Nick Koan 2005-11-09 08:51 AM

Haha, suspension "might be a good idea" :lol:

sperry 2005-11-09 09:25 AM

So that's like what, 380 at the wheels on a Mustang Dyno? :P

...actually that's quite impressive, the curve is even nice and flat, unlike those ski-jumps you see outta the 700 hp EVO's. There must be some retarded money in that car! What's he done?

JC 2005-11-09 09:36 AM

It's an o4 Sti, stock heads, intake and exhaust manifold, and cams. Crawford SL3 bottom end, Deadbolt Gt35r @ 30psi, Hydra, Perrin rails, Perrin 850 injectors, Perrin FMIC, C16, Meth. injection

sperry 2005-11-09 10:04 AM

"30psi"... say no more. :eek:

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-11-09 11:31 AM

And it goes

Boom... shake shake shake the room...

sperry 2005-11-09 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey
And it goes

Boom... shake shake shake the room...

:lol:

Actually that methane injection should really help prevent detonation... not to mention the C16 fuel...

JC, any numbers on pump gas w/ the methane turned off? I wonder what sorta power that setup makes in a non-drag/dyno setting.

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-11-09 11:51 AM

I wasn't even talking about detonation... at that kind of power output you're probably severely cutting into the safety factors they designed into the block, fasteners & gasket interfaces. I wouldn't expect it to last very long, some OE component in there will fatigue out.

sperry 2005-11-09 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey
I wasn't even talking about detonation... at that kind of power output you're probably severely cutting into the safety factors they designed into the block, fasteners & gasket interfaces. I wouldn't expect it to last very long, some OE component in there will fatigue out.

With a Crawford bottom end, I think the major failure points should be pretty strong.

MikeK 2005-11-09 11:58 AM

With 600 hp to the wheels, the major failing point is the wallet

JC 2005-11-09 11:59 AM

I'll ask but I doubt he's dyno'd it that way. Last time I talked to him he ran it on race gas and meth all the time.

He had a bad headgasket before, that's why he was only making 592whp then. ;)

JC 2005-11-09 12:53 PM

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it only can do like 424 if memory serves me right safely with out methanol. Only so much you can do on 93 octane.
There ya go.

Libila 2005-11-09 05:02 PM

Dang!

Kevin M 2005-11-09 05:03 PM

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/10/china.deng/deng.jpg

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-11-09 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
With a Crawford bottom end, I think the major failure points should be pretty strong.

I'll stick with my "boom" comment. :lol:

Ezdno 2005-11-09 07:35 PM

He mortgaged his house to get that didnt he?

JC 2005-11-09 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezdno
He mortgaged his house to get that didnt he?

He's old, like Dean old. I'm pretty sure debt was not involved.

Ezdno 2005-11-09 07:56 PM

Hey how old is the other Dean, cause this Dean is pretty old too.

doubleurx 2005-11-09 08:49 PM

Hey now I think I am as old or perhaps older than Dean!

Certainly that car will be a great test for the STI tranny.

Dean 2005-11-09 10:41 PM

<40, but not by much any more....

JC 2005-11-10 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
Hey now I think I am as old or perhaps older than Dean!

Certainly that car will be a great test for the STI tranny.

Ya well there used to be one Dean and there are many Nicks.

JonnydaJibba 2005-11-10 07:22 AM

Oh my...boosting to 30? Whaaa? He's gonna replace the tranny I hope. That is crazy cool.

Ezdno 2005-11-10 07:41 AM

Well this Dean, the EZ one, is 41.

doubleurx 2005-11-10 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ezdno
Well this Dean, the EZ one, is 41.


Great I'm 40 you old man!

sperry 2005-11-10 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba
Oh my...boosting to 30? Whaaa? He's gonna replace the tranny I hope. That is crazy cool.

Unless he drives the car like an idiot, I think the 6MT can take it. Hell, if the 6MT can't take it, what tranny do you swap in there?

AtomicLabMonkey 2005-11-10 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry
Unless he drives the car like an idiot, I think the 6MT can take it. Hell, if the 6MT can't take it, what tranny do you swap in there?

http://www.jericoperformance.com/21.gif

JonnydaJibba 2005-11-10 09:43 AM

^^^oh my

doubleurx 2005-11-10 09:44 AM

Every tranny will have it's limits.
I haven't seen a street STI with numbers that high. I just wonder how much it really can take.

sperry 2005-11-10 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
Every tranny will have it's limits.
I haven't seen a street STI with numbers that high. I just wonder how much it really can take.

My point was, even if the 6MT can't take it... what are your options? The 6MT is about as strong as they come, unless you want to take Austin's suggestion and convert your STI to a RWD car w/ a NASCAR spec 4-speed. :lol:

MattR 2005-11-10 11:00 AM

Good call on the Jerico there Austin...

"The tranny that lets Nascar drivers run road courses" :lol:

JC 2005-11-10 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry
My point was, even if the 6MT can't take it... what are your options? The 6MT is about as strong as they come, unless you want to take Austin's suggestion and convert your STI to a RWD car w/ a NASCAR spec 4-speed. :lol:

dog box

MattR 2005-11-10 11:02 AM

4EAT

LetItRev 2005-11-10 11:50 AM

Bunch of old farts!

sperry 2005-11-10 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JC
dog box

I don't know that a 5-speed crash-box is really all that much stronger than the 6MT... unless you're talking about replacing the gears in a 6MT w/ straight-cut gears and the synchros w/ dog teeth... but I don't think anyone's even making those!

JC 2005-11-10 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry
unless you're talking about replacing the gears in a 6MT w/ straight-cut gears and the synchros w/ dog teeth... but I don't think anyone's even making those!

That's because no one is breaking them. If you start seeing a demand, then someone will.

MattR 2005-11-10 03:06 PM

Now, themz some crazy ass ATL peeps
http://www.rap2soul.de/rap2soul/cove...gtwins-usa.jpg

MattR 2005-11-10 03:07 PM

:liljon:

cody 2005-11-10 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FireguyRick,Nov 4 2005, 09:41 PM
You have anything like a longer 1st and 2nd gear for a USDM STi 6 speed? I really believe that I would enjoy not having to shift to 3rd gear to hit 60mph. What else might you suggest for me drivelinewise?

Rick

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Originally Posted by Andrewtech,Nov 5 2005, 08:39 AM
Unfortunately, the only option I have available for the six speed at present is dog engagement. On the drag/dog 1-4 set we take the stock 1-5 ratios and cram them into the first four dog gears. This makes you not have to go into 5th at the end of a quarter mile run by extending the time your in the first four gears. You would then have stock 5th and 6th for highway use. This set goes for about $4900us.
Andrew
www.gearboxtech.com

These quotes are from www.wrxfanatics.com.
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=38376

JC 2005-11-11 05:49 AM

I stand corrected.

sperry 2005-11-11 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

But what does a dog engagement really gain you strength-wise? I guess it keeps you from breaking a synchro, but unless that kit includes straight cut, beefier gears, the gearbox isn't going to hold more power, it's only gonna shift faster/harder.

Edit: I guess those "stock 1-5 ratios" are the gears from their 5-speed straight tooth gearset?

cody 2005-11-11 08:52 AM

I assume dog engagement included straight cut gears. For $4900, it should. :eek:

The fact that the ratios are changed is a dead giveaway that the gears are replaced. Could you even have dog engagement with helically cut gears?

Edit: just saw your edit. :) I don't know any specifics about this set, but I'm going to assume that the straight cut PPG gears are stronger than the stockers. They are really nice gears from the reviews I've read.

sperry 2005-11-11 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cody
I assume dog engagement included straight cut gears. For $4900, it should. :eek:

The fact that the ratios are changed is a dead giveaway that the gears are replaced. Could you even have dog engagement with helically cut gears?

Edit: just saw your edit. :) I don't know any specifics about this set, but I'm going to assume that the straight cut PPG gears are stronger than the stockers. They are really nice gears from the reviews I've read.

PPG are pretty popular w/ the drag crowd, so I assume their gearsets work well. Also, I believe they sell both straight and helical gears, dog engagment doesn't reqire one or the other...

Straight gears hold more power and avoid the thrust issues associated with helicals, but they make an assload of noise... you know that "whine" in reverse... imagine if all your gears did that! But, the dog teeth are in the side of the gears, so it doesn't matter what the tooth profile is.

cody 2005-11-11 09:04 AM

Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

sperry 2005-11-11 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cody
Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/...ion-simple.gif

The purple ring has the dog teeth on it, and it engages in the side of the gears. The actual gears can be cut any-which-way, since they're always meshed.

Very good description, including how synchros work, here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

cody 2005-11-11 09:30 AM

I see said the blind man.

Nick Koan 2005-11-11 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cody
Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

Yeah, dog engagement has nothing to do with how the gears are cut. Its just common that a lot of boxes with dog engagement also have straight cut gears.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission3.htm

What makes something have dog engagement box is how the purple gear above engages with the blue gears. The straight cut, or helical part of the gear box is how the blue gears engage with the red gears.

I barely have an understanding myself, but click through there a little bit. Its a pretty good tutorial for a basic understanding.

EDIT: Hah, I didn't realize Scott posted the same link too. We were just talking about it like 5 minutes ago too :p

cody 2005-11-11 09:44 AM

Yah, howstuffworks is the shit.

I posed the question to Andrew in the abovementioned thread as to what type of gears the replacement set consists of and how much strength (if any) would be added.

I'm just curious.

JC 2005-11-11 09:52 AM

He already answered man, they are straight cut. Their website says you have a choice.


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