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I saw 4 WRX's tonight while i was out for a drive: All silver

1.WRX with New Era on the side on Virgina
2.WRX Sedan w/exhaust and ski rack get on I80 @ N. Mcarran
3.WRX (maybe same as above) by Mcarran and Mayberry
4.STi ('04-'05) w/exhaust...it was playing around with a lowered a silver 5.0 Mustang and a 3000 Gt i belive.

#1 is definitely not on the board, and hopefully neither is #4. 2 and 3... gonna have to be more specific than "exhaust and ski rack" around these parts, although I can't think of any silver bugeyes with racks at the moment. :)

Well except for the STI, they were all sedans..and the one at Mayberry had rims. Thats about as much as i remeber.

I also saw a '04-'05 White STi down on Mcarran just before you go up the big hill. It had exhaust and a banner on the windshield.

So you're saying the STI wasn't a sedan???

LMAO..my bad..it was.thats what being tired can do to you. :lol:

Tisk tisk tisk, ban anyone to hell who has a little fun with a sports car on a public road!

Amen Savior! Amen!

then i wont say what happened between me and a Porsche Carrea 4 vert on Mount Rose highway :oops: :mrgreen:

If you'd go to a race track once in a while, you'd realize how stupid jerking off on the streets really is.

Yea..unless youre like me who cant afford the tires,brake pads etc. I actually stopped street racing a while ago...ive had people try to get me to race, like the silver STi, but i never do it, the only thing close is from a stoplight to 60

Explain to me how racing on the street saves on tires/pads/etc? :roll: You're still flogging the car, no?

Also explain to me how hitting up the local strip is hard on brakes to begin with... if a car can stop from 300mph at the strip in the alloted run-off, I'm pretty sure you can woah down from 100 or so w/o destroying your brakes.

Hell, if you want to "save" the car, how about not racing in a straight line to begin with... drag racing is by far the most punishment you can put on the expensive parts of a car (engine, transmission) per mile!

I wonder if he has that impression, given that almost everytime we talk about track events, people are asking about what kind of brake pads, changing brake fluid, how much rubber is left, etc.?

Track doesn't have to cost an arm & a leg. And, its alot more fun than beating someone off the line, and you're likely to learn something new too.

Street/Drag Racing...your only going straight...so you dont put as much wear on the tires as you would be going fast and turning/braking.
Brakes, you are going from high speeds to 20mph maybe less on a track...on the street you can usually just coast and/or downshift.
Yes youre still flogging the car..but its not around a bunch of curves..dont get me wrong...i WANT to road race,but you have to get a license and like i said..tires,pads etc.
Street Racing/Draging on track you dont need a thing until i belive sub 13's.
To clarify...i wasnt saying that drag racing at the track is expensive..om saying road racing is. The main reasons i dont go to the track are:
1.Far away, i could understand going to Sparks/Carson City for a DEDICATED drag track...but if its mainly a road course that you have to have a license to use its not really worth it.
2.There isnt really many chances to go..its mainly road course stuff
3.You have to have saftey checks...which i AGREE with, but for the few times i hit 100+..i dont want to add a roll cage/racing seats.

FYI: I prefer road racing to drag racing...like i said i stopped street racing as much as i can. But if i find myslelf on a wide open road with a Mustang/Camaro/Porsche that wants to go and isnt acting like a idiot..ill go..but no faster than 100. I am saving to get a 5.0 Mustang to use as a track car...but its not gonna happen for at least 4-5 years.

That is part of it...plus i talked to a few of the nice people at RFR..but even they said..i would need brake fluid..and if really wanted to do it, a few other things. I wasnt prepared to spend that much money to have to get a license to just on to the track when i can go to Mount Rose,Virginia City, etc and have fun in the curves...not as fast as on a track mind you..but enough to have fun without harm to myself and others.

:lol: If you want a road course track car that handles well, a 5.0 Mustang is not the car to buy.

*Puts Flame Suit On*
Yea it is...there are a few online and in magazines who beat BMW's/Porsches/Cobra R's/Vettes. You can find them cheap and use the money to put in a suspension. The engine doesnt need much work compared to drag racing since you have limits on power in road racing.

this is funny.. always turns into this..

My initial comments were to compare drag racing on the street vs. drag racing at the track. You said you'd rather run 0-60 on the street because taking it to the track is costs too much due to wear on the tires and brakes...

However, if you want to talk road race... I've driven what I estimate to be at least 1000 miles at Reno-Fernley. Sure it eats tires, brake pads, rotors, fluid, gas, maybe even a wheel bearing or two... but all those cost a hell of a lot less than oh, say the 5 years of jail time for crossing over the double yellow on Geiger and killing a family of four in their mini-van while racing some Porsche down the hill. Extreme example? Sure. But I can guarentee you won't kill any innocent bystanders out at Reno-Fernely... something you can't guarentee me won't happen on the street.

And to dispel some of the mis-information:

You don't need a "race license" or anything to drive at the track. All you need to do it drive with the school out there, or with a club that's putting on a track day. You only need a license for test-n-tune... and those are easy to get... simply take a day of the drivers school out there and get signed off.

You don't need a roll cage to drive at the track. Unless of course you've got a convertible w/o a factory roll hoop. Cages are only required for competition.

There are many wonderful tracks within driving distance of Reno. RFR is what, about 40 minutes away? Thunderhill and Sears Point are 3 hours away. And Laguna Seca (a track that people will travel thousands of miles to drive on) is only 5 hours away. If someone thinks those are "too far away", I question their interest in road racing. IMO Mid-Ohio or Road Atlanta are "too far away"... at least considering the quality tracks that are right here.

And if you think the safety checks are a hassle that make street racing a better alternative to taking it to the track... well I don't know what to say about that without sounding like a complete asshole.

You realize that ALM is the engineer that designs the parts for those Mustangs that outhandle BMW's/Porsches/etc, right?

I work designing parts for 5.0 Mustangs every day. Trust me - they are not a well engineered platform to work with. Yes, you can find them cheap. But no matter how many suspension mods you throw at it, if will always still be a 1978 Fairmont at heart. It will still have a higher C.G. than a Porsche or a Vette, still have a poor weight distribution, still have a McStrut up front, and still have a beam axle in the back. Where are you going to end up road racing? SCCA-AS? NASA-AI? You still need at least 100hp more than the OE engine to be competitive, and that's only if you've stripped a hell of a lot of weight out of the car. Finding that kind of N/A power out of a Ford 302 is certainly possible, but usually finicky and unreliable. From my experience both personally owning one, and working with them professionally, I'd advise you to stay away.

But if you still want one after that, I can tell you where to go to get the best parts for it. :)

Like i said im not stupid...i dont go more than 10MPH over the limit..so that is a extreme example. But people have gotten killed at tracks...drag racing..road racing, whatever. I didnt get to explain the Porsche, that was in the wipe are before it gets to 1 lane each way..i let him go ahead way before theemergency signal.

Thanks...i was actually going to ask about this but this **** happend first..thanks for clearing that up

Thats wasnt what i was told..i forget her name...but the nice woman who runs the school said after i start going a certain speed or time i need a cage

I was talking about the drag racing... i dont feel like driving even 40 minutes to make 2-3 runs when i dont care about times and waiting in a line.
I NEVER said its better to street race, i said its easier. You can get killed either way, and even the NHRA has relaxed it rules..new cars are much safer at higher speeds...but if you race on Virgina at 6pm on a saturday, that stupid. IF i even street race like i said, there are no other cars and no places one could turn out of, i would never race in a resdential area either.

I have a friend who races at RFR and other places in amature classes. He uses a 95 GT...all he did was strip the interior..put on some slicks and run a free flowing exhaust, he usually places in the top 5.

There is actually a few places that make great track cars:
Steeda
Maximum Motorsports
Saleen
etc

edit: i would just do what i could afford to do...but like i said it wil be a few years..and i may actually get a used '01/'99 cobra like i used to have.

AtomicLabMonkey is the lead design engineer at Maximum... I'm pretty sure he knows what's what. ;)

Oh nice..thats sweet. Just before i got the STI i was about to order some springs. Nice people :)

edit:I also want to say im sorry if i touched a sore subject. :oops: :(

Must've been E.T. (Eileen? Thomas). Setup rules possibly depends on what organization you are driving with. SCCA vs. NASA, vs. various car clubs.

Valid point! We know it's waayyyy easier - and why so many partake in it. and That is why we sometimes get very animated in trying to convince people to try it the 'legal' way. Many of us have known way too many people who've had something bad happen, or been caught at it; and know about the devastating stories and fallout that happens when things go awry.

Good that you have your limits, but others around you can't be counted on to have them too. Be safe - we do not want another Subaru enthusiast to come to harm.

Even racing on the street below the speed limit is dangerous... that's why the law isn't "no racing over the speed limit", the law is "no racing".

And while people get killed at race tracks... innocent bystanders don't get killed at the race track. When I'm out there I'm at 100% concentration in a car inspected for safe operation, with other cars driven by drivers at 100% concentration in their safety inspected cars... and we've all signed waivers.

On the street there are people out there that aren't in on your little game, and it's not fair to risk their lives. That's why street racing is illegal... not 'cause "the man" is trying to keep you down, it's 'cause other people can die when you fuck up on the street, not just the participants.

When you start getting into the 11's at the strip, I believe a cage is required... but road race tracks don't tend to have the same requirements. Though if you're getting into 100+ mph speeds, a roll hoop becomes a good idea. I'm looking at getting a 6 point hoop before next season starts.

If you're going to put so many resitrictions on yourself trying to be safe about it, why not just stop racing on the street period? Plus, safety issues aside, it doesn't matter how desolated the spot is that you pick to race on, it's still your ass in jail if the cops see you. Why even bother with the risk, when there are much more fun and much safer venues to race at?

It's not really a sore subject... it's just that in addition to the obvious wish to keep SECCSers safe, most the members of this board are big into motorsports and enjoy modding our cars for use at the track. We hate the attention our cars get from the police and the like because there are people out there with the same interests as us that refuse to behave on the street.

In addition, as the administrator of this site, I feel obligated to make sure to speak up when people glorify or otherwise endorse street racing. I don't want people getting the idea that this club supports street racing, if just for the legal reasons alone.

Becuase i dont have to travel...its right there..like i said i dont even do it..it very rare i do. I had a Camaro try to get me to race..i didnt. Dont judge me for one thing i have done. Im not against the "man", im not some teenage punk. I admit when i first got my license and my first car, a V6 Mustang i raced like a idiot, but i had a few close calls with police and stopped, its not worth it, thats why i have those conditions. They are hardly ever meet.
You are right on the innocent bystander part, ill admit that.

Other than making sure your brakes are functioning well with decent pads and fluid, your tires have decent tread, there isn't much more you would need to spend on an STI for the track. The biggest cost you will incur is fuel and the track fee.

Im not endorsing street racing.

That STI was driving like a idiot, i even said to myself, this is why im getting screwed with insurance. he was weaving in and out, speeding excessivly, in one of the worst places to be doing anything wrong.

Yea..but i dont want to keep having to buy tires for general use. Rims+Tires are costly by themselves...i want to get some street rims and use the stockers for the track.

yeap..thats her..i also talked to one of the track managers..he had a stealth.

Yeah, I'll admit to my fair share of jackassery, but I don't think I ever endangered anyones lives. Then again, the guy in the vette that just took out a van full of kids, probably didn't think he was endangering anyones lives easier. I don't claim to be flawless here.

I'm still a relative noob to the track thing, only been on a road course once and only a handful of auto-x, but after experienceing that little bit, its so much more fun. You're opponents are skilled (relatively) and you know they are trying their hardest. So, when you beat them, you beat them. There is no bench racing afterwards like "well, I thought I saw a cop so I backed off a little, thats the only reason you won."

Its not really straning my budget. I can afford winter tires, the basics..but not a lot of it if i was to start on the track. Im also paying for photography stuff, since thats what im doing for a living, and that aint cheap. Im lucky that im living at home, but ill probably be moving out soon.

I don't think anyone is blaming you for that right now.

When the topic comes up, it gets heated :p

Regardless of how the discussion started, everyone has to put in their two cents.

yea..its all good. I actually am glad this happened. I am learning a bit lol :eek:

Yeah, I edited that out since it sounded worse then I meant it to. My hobby is my car, so I spend almost all of my spare cash on it. I know other people aren't the same way, and I didn't mean to come off like I think I sounded.

I do go to a real race track once and a while and I still dont understand what you guys have against having a little fun on the street.

At 1am in the morning, waiting till cars are cleared in fear there are cops around, I dont know who else I'm putting in danger besides myself. Same goes for a race track. Just because I go out there doesn't mean I dont have a chance of hurting or killing myself.

Yeah, I agree that racing infront of spectators down the road to where you can reach speeds of +100mph is stupid, but that's a self-decision. You wouldn't find me doing anything of the sort. But if I'm on the freeway and there's an STI trying to tell me whats up, and if the coast is clear, I'll smoke him.

And also, if a friend and I wanna have a little grudge match to compare performance, I'm not going to drive 60 miles to the nearest drag track and pay $35 for an enterance fee. I'm going to go out at night, find an long, empty street and race.

If someone is testing his/her car against yours in a safe area of a public road, and you decline and call him a "jerk off" for wanting to have some fun on a public road, I'm going to call you a poor sport.

Your intentional ignorance of the risks you take, and more importantly force other people to take by your actions, is astounding.

A poor sport? If someone is "testing" their car against mine on the street, I usually laugh at them and keep on driving. If that makes me a poor sport, then so be it. I don't need to prove my car to random people who rev on me on the street. Beating a street racer means nothing to me, so why should I do it? I only care about beating those that I respect as good drivers.

Can't we all just Solo2 and get along? :lol:

:lol: I had a 95 GT too. That must be a pretty damn weak road racing class if he's placing top 5 in that thing.

I hear those guys are the bomb.

You do come off a bit preachy, but hey, it's your forum...but I don't see how you could be legally responsible for street racing even if you had a forum dedicated to talking about it.

Darksti seems like he's got his head screwed on pretty straight to me. Spooln on the other hand... :lol:

I yolk.

I have never gotten the impression Scott feels this is a legal liability, but more, a moral responsibility to do the right thing.
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Wanting to keep you, and me and mine, safe.

If we didn't care, we would say anything.

And also, there are plenty of other forums for trash talk about street racing. We're never going to be good at it, because many of us don't believe in it.

Scott, Nick, Kevin and the rest of you all make some really good points...I'm convinced that street racing is dumb...but I'm just not sure that racing on a baron road from a stop light to the speed limit is all that dangerous. Yes I've seen videos where people crash launching their car, but I think there's stupider things that you could do like driving under the influence, tired, or even angry.

:lol: :oops:

Thanks for the new sig. :D

Yes, those are also very dangerous. But, does the presence of more dangerous activities legitimize other less dangerous (yet still somewhat dangerous) activities? Even if they are on a "baron" road?

I'm not against having a little fun on the road, but there are people out there who's whole self-worth seems to come from beating other cars. On the track, on the street, where ever. When you get two of those people together, there is no such thing as 'safe' street racing. When both are pushing so hard to see who will back down first, there is a good chance of a fatality, and just as good of a chance that it won't be either driver. Personally, I feel sorry for those types of people, and I hope none of you are like that.

Not at all, but I think it speaks to the fact that these behaviors are commonplace. Like if we were arguing about sky diving without a parachute, I could understand the conviction you express...and absolute statements, like when Scott says no street racing is safe no matter what the speed, are true in my mind...but when I make the decision to have a little fun from a stoplight on a baron road to the speed limit, I don't think it's really all that bad. Not a smart move, but not any dumber than the stupid things people do every day...and they still make it home in one piece. (OMG :o ). :P

I honestly think that the fact that I won't usually answer my phone while I'm driving makes me safer than thoe of you that do...even taking into consideration that I've raced from a stoplight 3 or 4 times in my life...

even i dont agree with that. "Poor Sport" becuase he doesnt want to street race....like sperry, i wont even touch this. I learned my ways before i got in deep, i hope you can too. Im going to try and go get my license after lookiing at RFR's website.

:oops: thanks :)

Ok, I was trying to help you out earlier without directly pointing it out, but its barren, unless of course you mean driving on roads that are ruled by old German nobles. :lol:

Also, I've seen you at the track. I don't know if I trust your judgement of whats smart to do on the road or not :lol: (btw, thats a joke, since I also spun that day).