July 16-17 Solo results are up
 

As are season standings. (Mike is still working on Novice scores where they changed into nornal classes, be patient.)

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I could snatch second place in DSP from Jeff Nielson if only I hadn't missed the last two saturdays. . . :P

Thanks for the results Dean. How serious is the problem with the Miata? The points get interesting when you start looking at the drops.

Thank Mike, i just post them...

Wowz!

GO SECCS. Way to represent the club. Nice work to all of you.

Matt, you've got a 31 point lead over me... I did some quick math. It looks like I have to win 5 of the last 6 if you place 2nd or 1st in the rest of the events, for me to win SM by 1 point. :eek:

Man, I really hurt my chances w/ those 3rd place finishes last weekend. :mad:

Yeah, I'm really sorry about that :P

On a related note, the nooblar points have been converted (Alex and Cody). and sent to Dean. You guys in ESP need to watch out, Cody has won 4 of the 5 events he has showed up to!

I just feel the need to let it be known that I beat Lucas by .1 on Saturday. Just cause he was driving his WRX for the first time and on stock RE92s doesn't mean anything :p

thank you for the conversion of my nooblar points Mike !

5? I thought I ran Novice at events 1, 2 and 5. 5 was in Alex's car if that matters.

And I ran events 3,4,7 and 8 in ESP so that should be a total of 7 no?

FFS I missed rounds 2 and 5 :(

I will get them updated tonight

Alex's car isn't ESP legal, if I'm thinking of the right Alex, so that shouldn't matter/count.

I just checked, I have no results for you for rounds 2 or 5. Look at the results that are currently on the website for those days, if you were there you would have novice results in the raw time page.

I foresee a problem w/ this... not specifically regarding Cody, but with the conversion of novice points in general. None of the class participants were aware that they might have been competing w/ some of the Novices, which means none of them would have paid attention to the legality of the cars they raced against. Hell, Novices aren't even required to class their cars, meaning a Novice could be running a Vette then show up in a DS WRX to finish the season... it's not like Timing & Scoring has any official record of the cars that were entered because registration doesn't police the entries outside of getting a name from the participant.

I see a problem in the future where someone checks the results after a Novice converts to a class, sees that they're suddenly in 2nd instead of 1st, and calls "unfair!" And, I've got to agree with them.

Again, I'm not talking about Cody and ESP in particular, and since the rule is in the sups for this season, I support the reclassing for this season, but I think things should probably be changed for next year. Originally I didn't think there'd ever be an issue, because it's rare that Novices would be competative in a class right out of the box, but this season's Novices have proven otherwise.

In general, the conversion of points isn't fair because there are people running in class against unknown competition. If I was running in a class w/ slow competitors, I wouldn't necessarily push myself or my car as hard if I knew there was a Novice running faster than me in my class. Suddenly my easy 1st place becomes a 2nd... simply because I was lightfooting it to save the car since it appeared that I had the event wrapped up.

In addition, a Novice could run 8 events, then choose at the halfway point of the season to switch to an uncontested class just to win a championship because they know no one else can qualify for a trophy in it.

Anyway, I'm rambling a bit...

As the guy who has to actually do the work I vote that we get rid of it as well :)

As for this specific case, I have to agree it doesn't bother me too much. But then again, I knew I was running against Cody as well as Derrick (oh, and those mustangs too). There is a small element of suprise with the new results. I assume, I lose 2 points, Derrick loses 5 and Cody gains 21 over the season. I believe that puts him a head of me by a bit for the season (at least closes the gap), but it also brings Derrick closer to us. If I didn't know to expect this, then I could see getting angry over it (but again, its not my way to get angry over a season which I still consider developmental).

Also, Cody if I remember correctly, you did only run that Saturday on the first weekend and not the Sunday. Something about a previous engagement.

Fuck, Fuck, Shit? :lol:

Thanks Mang!

Wait a second Cody...

are you sure you ran only event 5 in Alex's STi?

From the following post on April 12th, it sounds like you were running the STi in 1 and maybe 2. Event 5 was at Hawthorne which I remember you were signed up for, but didn't attend.

http://www.seccs.org/forums/showpost...9&postcount=90

EDIT: also, from later in the thread on April 13th.
http://www.seccs.org/forums/showpost...&postcount=117

I think its all coming back to me now. Your car was getting painted during the week prior to the first event and you didn't get it back in time and co-drove Alex's STi on Saturday. And didn't show up on Sunday at all. Is that right?

No, ffs means "for fuck's sake", ffs!

I have checked the raw data on the timing PC, and my backups here at work and on my USB key. You weren't at rounds 2 or 5. (If you were, then you just got screwed, because I have no results for you).

Cocaine is a helluva drug!

Shit, you may be right. I can't remember.

And I agree with everything Scott and you said. It doesn't sound very fair. It should definately be changed starting next year. :D

Ah, Cody. Event 5 was at Hawthorne. I'm pretty sure you skipped that event.

WTF?? I will have to move your round 1 results to STU if this is true

God damnit Mike, I fixed the spelling error when I noticed it.... :p

Doh! It's true I think. Sorry for the hassel.

5 and 6 were in Hawthorne and I wasn't there.

Betty Ford, here I come...

Edit: Nick beat me to it. I'm calling you Magnum P.I. from now on. Work on the stache.

Mike, you know you only convert 4 events to points, right?

I was under the impression it was only the last 4 events participated in as a Novice, but it reads like it's any 4 events.

He is only getting one converted ... round 1 (to STU)

Oh, I get it... I was confused by all the events that he ran in ESP... I was thinking those were converted from Novice runs.

Is this apropriate?

:manatee:

Why are we converting to more than one class? The rule is singular.

The only reason for this rule really is to allow novices who stay to be eligible for a year end trophy. Converting to multiple classes doesn't make sense because they can't be eligible for a year end trophies in more than one class. So unless there are events where he competed in an ESP legal car, don't bother.

Perhaps the fix for this next year is to only give them credit for competing in class, and either one point, or the next lowest number of points for the number of participants. Thus making them eligible for a trophy, and those can be taken as drops, or at least are unlikely to disturb the class standings.

And no rescoring of events would be involved. just poke a couple numbers into the season standings spreadsheet.

no comment...

He still gets pax points

Getting PAX points is ruining autocross.

I don't think so, or at least that was not the intent when I wrote this supp.

There is nothing in the sups saying we will ammend PAX results. This is a class only change.

On another note, I'm looking foward to running up at Squaw. It will be very nice running in my "backyard". Looking at the schedule, I'm running in the morning both days. Because I'm so close, it will be easy to help set up and I'm going to get lots of seat time with a RNP both afternoons. Hey, Sperry fell free to get after me again and move this to an August autoX thread. Ha...

You sure 'bout that?

haha!

good pic!

Doh... That definitely needs to come out for next year...

So what do you think of the give them 1 point, or the N-1 point idea? Guess you could give them a pax point as well.

It makes it so all we change is the season standings data, no individual event result changes.

Huh? How do season standings change if you don't change any event results?

It makes no sense!

http://www.connect-dots.com/Poofs/chewbacca.jpg

You type numbers onto the season standings spreadsheet and poof, there they are...