oh noes!
 

heres my problem every since the other day my car feels like it has no swaybars.
i dunno what it could be.

currently im running the strano front bar with the 29mm whiteline in the rear. i have the heavy duty endlinks in the rear and the strano bar doesnt use them. i have looked closely and i didnt snap the control arm tab. it seems alot of people had problems with over tightening the bolts there. i have no broken tabs or bolts on the front OR rear bar.

i honestly dont know where to go from here. is there something else i could check? i dunno why it would suddenly start this. without something being broken.

thanks again for helping.


help me please!

"D" Brackets still attached/tight? Bushings in them OK?

Tire pressure?

Use the front and rear center jack points or side jack stands so both sides are off the ground at the same time and then use another jack under one side or the other to see what is happening.

tire pressure is good. all brackets are tight and secure. all the bushings look to be ok. i was kinda wondering if it could some how be related to my front differential.

If the car truly has more body roll from one day to the next, without you changing anything, then something has broken or is in the process of breaking. It could be a broken swaybar link, a mount fatiguing out, a bushing breaking apart, a damper blowing out, who knows, but something is definitely wrong. You might have to put the car up on stands and start systematically taking the suspension apart, inspecting, and putting it all back together to figure it out.

eff that ess right in the AA

id only do that if i had a lift. i have air tools but no lift.

don't be a puss. I changed a wheel bearing and my rear struts on jack stands in my driveway with no air tools. If your not willing to do that, then I guess its not bothering you enough yet.

lol i have done quite a bit of work in my own garage. including work on others peoples cars.


but this front sway bar is easily the hardest one because of how the endlinks work.

so your saying that you can't deadlift the front of your car while someone else gets under there and checks it out?

yeah, no ramps. i did the sway bar one side at a time then moved the jack back and forth. only because the car is too low to get my jack under the front.

so i posted a thread on nasioc with pictures included if you guys would check it out maybe youll see something i havent cause im baffled.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1383790

Protip: put some wood down then drive on top of that.

yeah tried that too. only had enough wood to raise it 1/2 an inch.

I can't decide whether to say "Are we still talking about cars?" or "That's what she said." :lol:

^hahah well played.

of course you realize that it means i lifted a car 1/2 inch off the ground with my dick...

anyways... i fixed it. before dean came over yesterday i put more fluid in my tranny cause its leaking still.

the whole time we were out logging i didnt even feel it but i forgot about it till i got home and saw the fluid sitting out. i was like, oh yeah, my cars all brokie. i flogged her early this morning and everything is back to normal.

go figure eh?

I don't understand.

more fluid in transmission = problem solved.

i dont get it either.

So by filling your tranny you eliminate body roll??

something something lower COG something something

:lol:


I got nuthin'. that's weird.

:brill:

lol yeah i dunno. but its not doing it now, and all i have done is put more fluid in the tranny.

It was probably more a mental thing than anything. You knew you were missing something you just didn't know what.

You + Dean = balance...you didn't so much correct the problem as much as learn that whatever the problem is, it's on the passenger side :lol:

yeah but that would mean that the problem would come back. after he gets out. and the problem hasnt returned.

I hate to say it, but one has nothing to do with the other. The fluid level of a transmission is unrelated to chassis roll during cornering, which should be fairly obvious. Either:

1) There was no actual problem and you were feeling phantom symptoms.
2) You have an intermittent suspension/chassis problem which has gone away on its own and happened to coincide with your tranny maintenance.
3) You were incorrectly describing the problem as excessive chassis roll when it was actually something else.
4) There is no 4.

Now wait a minute.. You don't know many many dozens of quarts he dumped into the tranny.;)

not denying the obvious

stating fact. i been tuning and installing shit into cars for 13 plus years now.

i dont feel phantom symptoms

a and b do not effect each other.

cept for this time. :)

This is potentially simple. The handling issue sounds like a side effect of the the center-diff having issues with low fluid. Having a programmable diff controller on my car has shown me just how much the differential on the STi contributes to handling...

I'd just be worried that there may have been damage to the gearbox if you were running so low on fluid as to effect the center-diff. :eek: How much fluid did you have to add!?

see. i knew that was exactly the reason.

people are too quick to think they know everything.

just because i cant explain something doesnt mean that its not happening. i dont have any fucking clue how quantum tunneling works EXACTLY. but i fucking know its the only way to go faster than light at the moment. explain it? yeah i can give you the gist. REALLY explain it? fuck noes.

i added about half a redline bottle. IE half a quart? tbh scott i was wondering the same thing. how fuckered up is my diff.

the REASON i had an idea that about why this could explain itself. sometimes when i lock the diff out using the DCCD i feel the same type of pushing or lack of swaybarish. so i knew it couldnt be impossible.

If the diff is locking too much, the car will get very pushy... especially at power on. I have my controller set to only 5% lock at low throttle levels in order to allow the car to turn mid-corner, and at 25% lock at full throttle to counteract the looseness that comes from stomping the throttle at corner exit. If you're pushy because of the diff, it means you're seeing more lock than you should. The auto mode is pretty good about making sure to release the center diff while the car is turning... but if you put it in manual that feature is removed, so at anything over 20% lock there will be binding, and even at lower levels you'll have noticeable handling changes, usually pushy while cornering and loose when stomping the throttle.

Half a quart low is actually quite a bit of missing fluid... IIRC the capacity is like 3.8 qt or so, isn't it? Any idea how it got so low? And I'm not so sure about the effects of low fluid on the center diff... it may be that there's no real correlation, and like ALM said, it's just a coincidence. But the center diff does in fact have quite a drastic effect on handling... so much so that I went from having a nearly undriveable car to setting the top PAX at Hawthorne simply by installing a DCCD controller so I wasn't running full-rear all the time. So if there's a way for the fluid level to effect the diff's lockup, I would believe that's your problem.

As far as damage... who know what happens when the diff is run low on fluid... hell, I still can't understand how the diff even works without catching on fire from all the friction of trying to run 50/50 lockup.

when i attempted to install the roll center kit from whiteline (speaking of which does anyone want to try to help me with that someday?) i pulled an axle out and destroyed the seal in the process. i drip smurf blood everywhere.

I need to do the roll kit on my car someday too... probably at the same time I'm installing my steering rack, if RevLabs ever sends the damn thing to me. :mad:

The axles shouldn't need to come out to do the roll-center kit... :?:

lol they dont. i know. when i was trying to remove the balljoint the fucker just fell out

That's happened to me too :lol:

A handling balance change towards under or oversteer due to a change in center differential locking is not equal to "my car feels like it has no swaybars".

Give him a break... he races in a straight line. :lol: ;)

yeah durrr....

i mean really. ill line up with every one of ya on a tripple tree. :)

and if youre running a strano front bar, and all of sudden have a reduction. like even a little loss in handling it feels huge.

or at least to ME it does.

Does your strano bar make A LOT of noise? My is really really loud, I would probably notice that first before the decreased handling.

mines really quiet. 200% more than my rear.

I'll simply refer you back to #3 I listed earlier.

Where did you get your Strano Bar? I was on Strano Parts and couldn't find it.

cant order online.

have to call.