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GrimmSpeed 2008-06-05 08:14 PM

GrimmSpeed Project L
 
So i finally got bored with the wrx and parted it out and now its in its stock form getting ready to be sold....of course i couldnt go to long without a project going on so i picked up a 96 L. Plans are to turn this light car into a time attack beast. Of course, to get there is a long road. One of the main reasons i want to do this is to have a car i can learn in(to become a better track driver) but not be overly expensive incase an accident happens. I picked the L because it takes a lot more work to get it up to the level of the newer subaru models.

Plans are something like this:

ej20 swap
aps fmic - so i dont have to get a scoop'd hood
reverse intake manifold
slot wrx brakes
wrx calipers
ss brake lines
take steps with turbos..first td04, then vf30, then build block and slap on a monster turbo
roll cage
wrx seats front/rear, then something better
front strut bar
rear strut bar
FHI 20mm rear sway, then bigger
Optima battery relocation to trunk
STi i/c tank used for windshield washer moved to trunk
misc grimmspeed parts



those are the things i can think of so far. if you have any opinions on some of the stuff please speak up because i consider myself a complete noob when it comes to these older models.



http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/stock_l_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/stock_l_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/stock_l_3.jpg


Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-06 11:29 AM

got the cryo treated brakes on with wrx calipers and hawk hps pads. everything went smoothly. the bolts were rusted all to hell but nothing a torch couldnt take care of.

oh..and threw on some stainless lines too.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/brakes_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/brakes_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/brakes_3.jpg

cody 2008-06-06 12:02 PM

Awesome, can't wait to hear more!

100_Percent_Juice 2008-06-06 12:14 PM

Those look nice!

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-08 11:31 PM

if you're ever bored dont say "i think i shall take the tar and sound deadening material out of my car"


shaved 6.5lbs by taking a portion of the bumper beam off to help fit the fmic
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...eam_weight.jpg

saved 1.5lbs by take the bottom seatbelts out :)
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...elt_weight.jpg

and of course the fun tar removal
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/tar_removal_1.jpg
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/tar_removal_2.jpg

save another 6.5lbs from the tar/sound deadening
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/tar_removal_3.jpg

so i was able to take off 14.5lbs today..not to bad.

Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

cody 2008-06-09 07:50 AM

I added, probably, 40lb of dynamat extreme to my front doors when the car was still fairly new. :eek:

100_Percent_Juice 2008-06-09 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody (Post 119417)
I added, probably, 40lb of dynamat extreme to my front doors when the car was still fairly new. :eek:

That is extreme.

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-11 07:34 AM

tried to get those fenders wider so i can fit the wide r-compounds underneath. didnt turn out as well as i wanted but my buddy(pictured) is coming back to help redo them.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fender_roll_1.JPG

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fender_roll_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fender_roll_3.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fender_roll_4.jpg

Joeyy 2008-06-11 03:21 PM

Cut the fenders back and go with plastic flares!..

kidatari 2008-06-12 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joeyy (Post 119547)
Cut the fenders back and go with plastic flares!..

This man speaks the truth!

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-15 05:25 PM

jun 240sx fender flares are already on order ! :)




for the love of keeping the outside as stock as possible i needed to fit the front mount underneath the stock L bumper. it went ok, there was definitely ALOT more cutting to do to the L bumper cover than the wrx bumper cover. i was able to salvage about 2/3s of the bumper beam(see cut pieces above). i'm very happy with the turn out....looks sooo sleeperish. i do wish i was able to keep the fogs but i couldnt manage to do that...i'll have to think of a way to mount some hellas somewhere.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fmic_1.JPG

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fmic_2.JPG

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fmic_4.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/fmic_5.jpg

Kevin M 2008-06-15 09:43 PM

Damn, that thing's practically invisible. Who fabbed the front mount? That might be the first time I've ever seen endtanks on a frontmount IC that actually look like someone who has an iota of an idea of how air flows worked on them. :lol:

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-17 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin M (Post 119679)
Damn, that thing's practically invisible. Who fabbed the front mount? That might be the first time I've ever seen endtanks on a frontmount IC that actually look like someone who has an iota of an idea of how air flows worked on them. :lol:


thats what i was going for :cool:

the fmic is the old arse APS type R...not very many of them around any more these days. i agree with you...the endtanks are positioned perfectly.




got the dash completely out including all the wiring. also basically got everything out of the engine bay including the brake lines so i can begin running the new lines.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/dash_removal.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/gutted_engine_2.jpg



Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

wrxkidid 2008-06-17 03:28 PM

I feel special because I know what the semi finished product looks like :)

I love this L i will not lie you do a great job Justin.

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-17 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxkidid (Post 119785)
I feel special because I know what the semi finished product looks like :)

I love this L i will not lie you do a great job Justin.

you shush you!! :lol:

thanks for the props wrxkidid. i cant wait to beat the piss out of some of our parts in this beast.


Justin

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-17 10:31 PM

finally starting to get some cool stuff to put on the car vs the last 2 months of taking stuff out of the car.

first thing in...

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...tion_valve.jpg

sperry 2008-06-18 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed (Post 119805)
finally starting to get some cool stuff to put on the car vs the last 2 months of taking stuff out of the car.

first thing in...

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...tion_valve.jpg

No ABS I take it?

wrxkidid 2008-06-18 04:00 PM

master cylinder?

sperry 2008-06-18 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxkidid (Post 119834)
master cylinder?

No, that's a brake proportioning valve so you can adjust brake bias. The problem is that I don't think you can use 'em with the ABS on the car.

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-23 09:28 PM

exactly...no abs in the car. overrated :)




got the stuff from the donor car.

how it arrived
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wrx_pallet.jpg

hope this baby is strong
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wrx_engine_1.jpg

same to this...
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wrx_tranny_1.jpg


glad i'm not the one doing the wiring splice
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wrx_wiring_1.jpg

started to rattle can the engine bay white...
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...gine_bay_1.jpg

sperry 2008-06-24 09:03 AM

I'll agree that Subaru ABS is overrated in a race car, but I'd much rather have it on a street car. The only thing Subaru ABS is good for at the track is protecting expensive race tires from flat spots when you miss a braking point and run too deep into a corner... other than that, the programming is too touchy in the ABS controller to make it actually useful for threshold braking.

cody 2008-06-24 09:07 AM

It's not a night and day difference, but the updated ABS ECU that Subaru offered as a "Customer Satisfaction Program" for my 03 made a noticeable difference. The ABS isn't as overly-touchy and it disengages much quicker once it's no longer needed. Before the ABS ECU update, I had to let completely off the brake to disengage ABS. That shit was scary.

sperry 2008-06-24 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody (Post 120040)
It's not a night and day difference, but the updated ABS ECU that Subaru offered as a "Customer Satisfaction Program" for my 03 made a noticeable difference. The ABS isn't as overly-touchy and it disengages much quicker once it's no longer needed. Before the ABS ECU update, I had to let completely off the brake to disengage ABS. That shit was scary.

Yeah, they wouldn't update my car due to the StopTechs. :mad:

cody 2008-06-24 09:33 AM

I read that and made sure to schedule my SS line install for after the ABS ECU. Timing was on my side for once.

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-24 09:58 PM

lets just say that if i get rear ended its not going to be pretty lol


need to take out the rear tail lights
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/..._removed_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/..._removed_1.jpg


stock beam removed
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...am_removed.jpg


jdm vs. stock beam
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...m_vs_stock.jpg


actual jdm beam weight...4.5lbs!!!
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...eam_weight.jpg


Overall install wasnt to bad. You cant take the bumper cover off while its on the car, you need to take the whole cover/beam off at the same time then you can take the cover off.

The jdm beam is nothing more than a bracket for the cover to snap onto to hold it in place...no crash protection whatsoever.

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-24 10:53 PM

Thank you to BC Racing for these beautiful coilovers. BC Racing is now sponsoring this project car! Contact Pete over at BC Racing USA..he's a great guy to work with. We were able to get a few extra sets of springs and a set of prototype rear gc camber plates. We are going to start off running the 8k's in the front and 6k's in the rear with the dampening set to the middle setting.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ers_in_box.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ock_height.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ender_well.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...mber_plate.jpg


Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-25 11:00 PM

Got this package in the mail today...


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/tic_package.jpg


TiC Tranny Crossmember Bushings
TiC 5MT Linkage Update
Tic Rear Diff Mount Bushings

The guys over at TurnInConcepts are awesome to work with! If you guys need anything suspensionwise...they are the best guys to go to. www.turninconcepts.com

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-26 03:14 PM

did some more weight reduction today. since i'm going with the hydro ebrake i dont need all the regular ebrake hardware that is wrapped around the hub. we took off a good 2lbs per wheel and that doesnt count the things like the ebrake brake lines so we are looking at around 5lbs total.

this pic shows the ebrake hardware that is on the hub
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/..._reduction.jpg

actual weight reduction per wheel
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...eduction_2.jpg

the hub looks so much cleaner after taking it all off
http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...eduction_3.jpg




H6 updgrade as been started. this is really a simple mod. the only things you need are an H6 sized rotor, H6 caliper bracket, impreza LX or WRX rear caliper. there is defiintely a big difference in rotor size bettwen the weak LX rotor and the leggy H6. i think next time i need to replace the rears i'm going to get the old turbo leggy rear vented rotors.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/h6_conversion_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/h6_conversion_2.jpg


Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

cody 2008-06-26 03:18 PM

Nice. I really like this pic:

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...mber_plate.jpg

Dewey 2008-06-28 08:29 PM

congrats on getting as far as you have, any more updates?
ps, check out this awesome gc8 build http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1091642

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-30 06:25 AM

^checked out that build...looks VERY clean. is that your project?





obx rear adjustable trailing arms came today. i was a little worried since they were only 120 shipped but to my surprise these puppies are pretty solid. they have a pillow ball mount on one end..that same end is also adjustable.

install was pretty easy...1 bolt to the hub, 1 bolt to the trailing arm bracket, and 3 bolts that hold the trailing arm bracket to the car.

of course..the pics:

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_3.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_4.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_5.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ling_arm_6.jpg

Dewey 2008-06-30 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed (Post 120367)
^checked out that build...looks VERY clean. is that your project?

no no no, not my project. im not capable of something like that. (not yet) but, keep up your good work :)

GrimmSpeed 2008-06-30 09:07 PM

got most of the wiring run through the car. the only piece i'm missing is the 'fuel tank cord' so i need one of those asap.

looks weird looking at the engine bay only cause its starting to look just like the wrx.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wiring_3.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/wiring_2.jpg

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-01 03:34 PM

Thanks to one of our newest sponsors L&E Fabrication we just got a bunch of goodies in the mail...

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/superpro_all.jpg

we received basically every bushing you can get for the suspension components and cross members. we also received the whiteline rear xmember locking bolts which i cant seem to get in yet because the threads on the car are all messed up since there wasnt a plug on the hole to stop them from rusting to all hell.


some pics of the lateral link bushings. these bad boys go on specific ends so make sure to read the directions before installation.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...al_links_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...al_links_1.jpg


We used a press to push out the oem bushings and push in the new bushings. the process is a tad bit tedious and i vividly remember dropping a few f-bombs. most of the oem bushing can just be pushed out but there are a few that need to be cut out because there is a metal sleeve that cant be pushed out...one of these spots is on that bracket that holds the rear diff up(this bracket bolts to the rear xmember).

all in all the bushings are much stiffer compared to the mushy stock ones.

We also received another part that i'm very excited about...here it is in the box. Anyone know what it is?

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...g_column_1.jpg


Thanks to our new sponsor, L&E Fabrication. Their products can be found at http://www.landefabrication.com/

Justin Grimm

sperry 2008-07-01 03:43 PM

Looks like an R180 LSD?

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-02 09:15 PM

no but that sounds yummy too. L and E Fab 1.5:1 quick ratio steering column. driving like a kart, here we come :)

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-02 09:15 PM

so one of the more annoying projects got done this week...getting the 05 WRX dash to fit into the L. there is alot of drilling new holes for brackets, sawzalling, swearing, etc to get it to fit right. i have to admit though...it all paid off because it looks awesome!! climate control in the race car FTW

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/dash_install.jpg

JC 2008-07-02 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed (Post 120631)
L and E Fab 1.5:1 quick ratio steering column.

Seriously? I assume you mean 11.5:1, if not WOW.

sperry 2008-07-02 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC (Post 120638)
Seriously? I assume you mean 11.5:1, if not WOW.

No, it's 1.5:1... on top of whatever ratio the stock rack is under it.

...it's just a column quickener, not a new rack. ;)

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-06 06:41 PM

yep, sperry is correct, 1.5:1 ratio column.



so we had to cut some nasty holes in the firewall to get the wrx ac/heater core to fit so i figured now would be the time to put some shiny thermotec heatshield on to cover up the holes as much as possible and keep as much engine heat out of the cabin as possible.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...heatshield.jpg


some more awesome bushings that i got from L&E Fabrication..

steering rack. easiest bushing to put on the entire car. the rack was kinda a pita to get installed because of some rust issues.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ering_rack.jpg

SuperPro ALK bushings
definitely helped to have the press for these guys. make sure the center hole is towards the ground when installing.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/superpro_alk.jpg


hydraulic ksport ebrake and wilwood brake proportion valve is 90% installed. just need to attached 2 flex stainless lines into the system but all the hard line have been run throughout the car. we made an awesome find...there is this new hard brake line that you can actually bend by hand and it wont crease. this made our lives a TON simpler. no more using the bending tool.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/hydro_ebrake_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/hydro_ebrake_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/hydro_ebrake_3.jpg


Justin
www.grimmspeed.com

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-08 01:29 PM

Thanks to TurnInConcepts(www.turninconcepts.com) we scored some shifter and linkage bushing made by TiC and Kartboy(www.kartboy.com). These were some of the easier bushings to put on the car...something i definitely needed after doing alot of the other bushings. The shifter has a VERY notchy feel now which is totally awesome.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...bushings_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...bushings_1.jpg

Also got some of the TiC Tranny Bushings which come in a sweet cherry blossom red. This involves taking off the tranny support so you will have to hold up the tranny with a jack while you do the mod.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...y_bushings.jpg


Thanks to L&E Fabrication(www.landefabrication.com) we got this killer 1.5:1 Quick Ratio Steering Rack. I should be installing this in the next few days if i can find the time. its fun turing the steering wheel side slowly and watching how much more the steering rack end turns. absolutely cant wait to use this beast in autox.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...o_column_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...o_column_2.jpg


Since i had the flywheel out i figured i would resurface it since it looks like the previous owner had a bit of fun with the car. got her to look pretty new after the resurface.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...esurface_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...esurface_2.jpg



we are getting pretty close. need a few things like radiator, fuel tank cord of the harness, fuel lines, heater hose lines, and a few other random things but i'm finally seeing the end getting closer.

Justin

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-09 12:45 PM

got the little EJ20 in!

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/engine_in_1.jpg



some skid plate making action. i wanted to make something that covered the whole front of the car and gave the bumber cover some support. i had to completely gut the front bumper to be able to fit the fmic in so i need something to support it so if i were to hit anything it would just break off.

there really wasnt anything on the market i could find so i decided to make my own.

tool/supply list
jigsaw
drill
razor blade
4x8 sheet of insulation
4x6 sheet of 3/16" diamond plated aluminum


first i took the overall widest and deepest measurements of the front of the car and cut a piece of insulation to that size. i cut out the area by the wheel so i could get the template(insulation) up high enough to tape it so i could start cutting it away little by little to get cover up as much as possible but still be far enough away from moving suspension parts and the wheels.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_1.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_2.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_3.jpg


once i got the template cut to my liking i then traced the shape onto the aluminum.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_4.jpg


i figured i would have to take the piece on and off a million times trying to get it to fit right but luckily i put it up to the car and everything fix almost perfectly...i was stoked. just one little section need to be smaller to allow for more tire movement.


http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_5.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_6.jpg

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/skidplate_7.jpg


i put the diamond side up because i really didnt like the look of it and it obviously isnt smooth. only reason why i got the diamond plate was because it was the only piece of aluminum i could find in the scrap pile at the local metal shop that was big enough.

i need to go find some longer bolts. i tied in to the two oem bolt holes in the front subframe and 2 bolt holes in the engine crossmember.

all in all took about 3 1/2 hours and $100 in materials.

Justin

cody 2008-07-09 12:48 PM

This is a really cool thread. Thanks for keeping us updated. Is that just a stock WRX motor?

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-09 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody (Post 120950)
This is a really cool thread. Thanks for keeping us updated. Is that just a stock WRX motor?



thanks. just putting it up here so if anyone else wants to do it they can get some ideas. yep, just a stock wrx block for now. once its all up and running then we will start playing with the engine.

cody 2008-07-09 01:30 PM

Something to consider especially with that skid plate is to thermal coat or wrap any aftermarket headers you may use. Shit, I thermal wrapped my OEM headers when I installed my coated UP. I think Sperry had issues with stuff melting (timing belt cover?) when he went to a metal skid plate, but he had uncoated headers and a big turbo... How about putting some tiny vents in the plate? Maybe it's non-issue, but thought I'd mention it. :)

sperry 2008-07-09 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody (Post 120954)
Something to consider especially with that skid plate is to thermal coat or wrap any aftermarket headers you may use. Shit, I thermal wrapped my OEM headers when I installed my coated UP. I think Sperry had issues with stuff melting (timing belt cover?) when he went to a metal skid plate, but he had uncoated headers and a big turbo... How about putting some tiny vents in the plate? Maybe it's non-issue, but thought I'd mention it. :)

It wasn't just the skid plate... it was the 1800F EGT temps (sucking oil in the intake and detonating will seriously heat up those EGTs!) and the close proximity of the Gruppe-S headers to the timing belt covers and radiator fans. (My headers were coated, BTW)

cody 2008-07-09 04:26 PM

Oh. Should have known it was more complicated.

GrimmSpeed 2008-07-10 07:08 PM

IT RUNS!!!

Couple of things that need work...

blinkers dont work
dont think the radiator fans are turning on
clutch isnt fully disengaging so having troubles getting into gear
think i need either new timing belt tensior or pullies as there is sometimes a loud knocking.



anyone guess what i'm making??

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/...ingtocheat.jpg



so i'm going to be running a tmic for a little bit so i had to source a second hood and cut a hole it to make room for a wrx scoop. went to the auto store and had 5 different greens in my hand....think i picked a pretty close one.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/project_l/hood_scoop.jpg



Justin

wrxkidid 2008-07-10 08:46 PM

Fenderliners?

100_Percent_Juice 2008-07-11 09:05 AM

Radiator shroud?


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