Yeah it's a done deal, I don't like the decision, but if you thought vet vs. web was ugly, just wait for 2014 with these two.

If someone can wrangle the personalities of the two, I think it'll be a potent combination.

But, the probability for lulz seems so high. I guess we'll see what happens over the next two years.

:ferrari: :facepalm:

Maybe Hulkenberg and Massa will both end up at Lotus then. I'd be a huge Lotus fan with those two guys there. And Grosjean can go crash Hulkenberg's old Sauber for a season or two. :lol:

The BBC article says the popular thinking is that Hulkenberg will go to Lotus.

So... what happens to Massa? I think that aside from maybe Mercedes, every other team would benefit from Massa's experience at Ferrari, especially with a radically new car next year that will involve rapid development throughout the season.

Massa > Ricciardo, Perez, Grosjean, and all the drivers from the smaller teams.

I can get that Massa's career is likely winding down, so it would be harder to justify signing him to a long term contract. But with a dev season in 2014, I would think tons of teams would be chomping at the bit to sign him for a 1 or 2 year deal. I wonder if Massa just costs too much... Ferrari was probably paying him handsomely.

I wonder if Massa just ends up staying on at Ferrari as a 3rd driver?

That would be awesome.

I do love Team Lotus....their tweet announcing kimi's departure is awesome...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar...0--nascar.html

Does Vettel have traction control?

http://jalopnik.com/red-bull-may-hav...olo-1442585020

Whatever it is, I bet it's legal (for now). Because why would you risk getting DQ'd when you're already the dominant team?

I just can't comprehend why it would only be on Vettle's car. Although I guess I could be on Webber's car. I can see Mark's car being a prototype, and Sebastian's being closer to a advanced version.

Maybe Mark refuses to cheat?

There is some interesting speculation(conspiracy) in the comments here. They also went over it back in June here with a good shot of what their tires were laying down.

I think there has been a bit of a falling out.

:lol:

Kimi is already driving for Ferrari even though he's still in the Lotus cockpit. Holding up Grosjean helped his new team in the constructor's championship.

No wonder Kimi is pissed... apparently Lotus hasn't bothered to pay him. :eek:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3...p-final-races/

Wow! That surprises me that that wasn't dealt with earlier in the season. Somehow, Lotus has figured out how to do a lot with very little if this is true. I had no idea their finances were that tight.

Nah, they had an extra 15 million euros to use. Practically cheating.

How much is it going to suck next season when they're still paying Kimi the 15M they owe him without getting his talent behind the wheel. :eek:

A lot? Curious what's going on with the Grosjean side...

:lol: Vettel mocks Kimi, then his team tells him he can pay the fine for doing post-race donuts.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/41...radio-message/

This is the best thing I've seen in F1. Vettel has a great sense of humor

I don't follow F1 all that closely, but moments like that make it hard for me to hate him for his success.

And Massa will be driving for Williams next year. Huzzah!

Yeah, great news for Massa, I hope he can find some spark again. With the new rules package and Mercedes Benz engines next year at Williams, maybe there is hope?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111242

Looks like Heikki Kovalanien will be filling in for Raikkonen for the last two races of the season while Kimi goes and gets some back surgery early (originally planned for the offseason).