Lightweight RWD Subaru? Toyobaru...
 

It sounds like something Bobby and I would build...

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The rest of the article is here: http://automotive.speedtv.com/articl...-in-the-works/

Toyota's been working on this for a while, but I had no idea Subaru was going to build there own version. The Toyota version appears to be more like the original, with a 120hp, 1.5l, I-4.

You had some idea back when you originally posted this thread Bobby :lol:

http://www.seccs.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6077

I like how they claim AWD is pitched to save wight, but the Subaru AWD only adds two axles and slightly hevier hub carriers over a RWD configuration. :lol: Also, it will take about 5 seconds after these are released (if they ever are) before they've got an STI motor and 6MT in them.

:lol:

What kind of idiot would own a Subaru AND a Toyota.

"Hey! You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!" ...

You have all been fooled. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/thumpyJ/zoom.jpg

Reminds me of the Celica for some reason.

Ya rly.


Oh wait, we now own a Toyota and a Subaru as well ;)

http://www.technotoytuning.com/miscn...2/P1010500.jpg

Get that thing dirty, you pussy! :D

Are you channeling JC?

Hehe, I was waiting for someone to comment...hahaha., Nice friggin cruiser dude.

Dear god, I hope not.







































I don't have any friends with 20's that'll fit the STi ;)

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I really hope these aren't any indication what it will end up looking like. I was thinking it would be more like an old Celica.

http://wrxfanatics.com/blog/2008/11/...cion-tc-in-us/

I believe this is what they are leaning towards...there is a big thread on it in the news and rumors section of NASIOC...
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/res...oupe-front.jpg

Okay, I was probably just confusing the Toybaru (Suby badge) with a new Subascion/ota (Scion/Toyota badge)?

WTF are you talking about?

I really don't know. :lol:

Well, the concept car is out:



http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/06/t...k-the-hachiro/
http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/toyota-ft-86-concept

Toyota will be showing it at the Tokyo motor show. Not sure when the Subaru version will be unveiled... but likely we won't see anything conceptwise... they'll just come up with a production version and unveil that. The Toyota version will be powered by a 2.0L direct injection N/A Subaru flat-4. I'm hoping the Subaru version will be a premium/limited turbo 4 with AWD and cost enough that all the high school fanbois can't afford them... but that kinda goes against the whole point of the car, which is light, peppy, and RWD. It's literally the new Hachi Roku.

I don't know if I am a fan of the zipper themed interior.

I hope they don't build it.

Is that a track map of Fuji Speedway on the dash?

Okay, I am a little late for this comment but yeah that would be ME as well. ;)

I want one with the Subaru badge and AWD!!!!!!

It's a concept car. They get crazy interior treatments.

Where's the waiting list, I'm in.

I like it...a lot! Too bad I won't be able to afford one haha...

They should be cheaper than the WRX.

Let's hope the Subaru version gets different headlights.

I'm not so down with the interior either, but I'm liking the coupe. Will it be turbo'd or no? If so, why wouldn't it be more/the same as a WRX?

The Toyota version above will be naturally aspirated. No word on whether the Subaru version (if they make one) will have a turbo (and/or AWD for that matter).

I'm guessing the Toyota model will be around 18k-20k, maybe less if they really want to make it the new AE86.

It'll probably eek in at just under $25k. Then you'll option it out with basic stuff for over $30k. :unamused: But on paper, right now the rumor is that it should be cheaper (and slower for that matter, at least in a straight line) than a WRX.

This car is really competition for the Miata, RX-8, S2000. Think of it as a budget sports car, probably a cheaper and slower than those cars listed... maybe even think of it as a Scion'd Miata with immediate popularity in the "tuner scene". Which is why I'd like the Subaru version to be beefed up and more expensive... so the "lifestyle" types stay away from it meaning I can drive one around town w/o getting raced by every brodawg out there.

Scott, we all know you're the one doing the racing.

Pretty much any family sedan built within the last 10 years is faster than my SVX. I'm not enough of a glutton for punishment to go around trying to race everyone.

I still won't be able to afford one lol. I like all wheel drive and can't afford two cars.

So is it the image that you are worried about or do you really get the "race rev" and attention from other drivers around town? Because even with my exhaust, gold wheels, and all windows rolled down I have been revved at once since I have had the car...

You mean you don't love the wafer-thin seats? What the hell are they made of, the hopes and dreams of the designers?

They look about twice as thick as carbon fiber race shells, and those pass FIA crash testing. But I guarantee those seats don't make it to production.

What I'm worried about is that the car will garner negative attention from both the ricers, and everyone else on the road.

I get people trying to race me in the SVX more than in my WRX. I'm guessing because it's relatively rare and looks fast, so people that don't know better think it's exotic and fast, which of course, it's not. Then I get clapped out hondas trying to prove themselves against me. The FT-86 kinda has a similar look, and I'd guess that until the car is commonplace, it's gonna get the same attention from the kiddies that learned all they know about cars from Gran Turismo.

My other concern is that this car will instantly become a huge fanboi car. It is, after all, the new AE86. I'm guessing it's going to be attention grabbing to all the same people that freak out whenever they see a Supra TT, or a drifted out 240sx, or an ITR, etc. So if it's affordable enough, there are going to be tons of ricers buying these things, drifting them, street racing them, making them look horrendous, etc, pretty much right away, rather than 8 years down the road the way the WRX went. I like the FT-86, but I'd like one that's a little more incognito and/or exclusive... which is what I'm hoping the Subaru version will be. I don't want the negative attention the car will get from everyone else if it's the ricer car de jour.

I'm probably being a little stuck up about it... but I'm already bitter about the way popularity has ruined so many WRXs to the point where every other WRX out there is a noise belching eyesore and insurance rates are bonkers. I guess I should be buying a Porsche. But then I'd have to deal with the Porsche douches... and pay way too much for that privilege... but at least I'd have a terrific car that flies under the radar except to the people that know enough to know the difference between the ubiquitous 996 base model 911 that you see everywhere and a 997 C4S.

Well, I definitely know where you are coming from and I understand that you are unwilling to be lumped into that group of kids. I don't really think it is a stuck up point of view, hell I think there are a million WRX's out there with a bunch of kids who don't know how to drive and love to just be obscene and draw attention (I'm hopefully excluding myself from this group :lol:), and I don't like being tossed into that group because I'm 21.

I don't know if that car will get the same notoriety as a Supra TT or a 240 thats all "drifted out". They said that the Genesis Coupe was going to be the new Corolla AE86 and the new hot tuner scene car. And I have seen one on the road. Luckily I think we are a little out of the loop for "trends". I thought with the new prototype that the Subaru version was going to be worldwide and the Toyota version was only going to be in Japan. Which should help, because I still think that the Subaru name is sort of downplayed because I think more "young" kids would rather brandish the Honda or Mitsubihi logo. That my take at least.

I think that every car group has the negative connotation so where ever you go you are going to get the labels and douchbags who tarnish the name. Tuners are wreckless kids who love blow off valves and loud exhasut. Porsches are always considered pricks, Ferrari's are the same way. Anybody driving a domestic has a mullet and hates every import, lifted trucks are tools, and so on. I think if you want a neutral car you are going to have to get a Mazda 3 sedan thats white and leave it stock. I guess it's just which derogatory group would you like to be placed in... The young punk kids, the old geysers, or the middle aged flamboyants? (I'm not saying that I relate the above groups as I stated, but they all seem to be the general views).

I'm not saying the seats aren't plenty safe, but they don't look comfortable at all. It's like sitting in one of those plastic chairs from elementary school...

It looks fast cuz it looks like a space ship.

This car could draw attention, and flat-brimmers (if Ken Block gets one) away from the Impreza. Much like the WRX did for the DSM, leaving only the true enthusiasts. Either way this car will only help draw attention away from the Impreza. Needless to say Rufus and I are not looking forward to that.

I want to know what Toyota is thinking building this car. Marketing it as a replacement for the AE86 they must know that yuppies are going to be drifting these cars into every object above ground. I'd be willing to bet Toyota designs the suspension to understeer. The great thing about the original 86 is that it wasn't built to be a sports car. It was built as an eco box, but it turned into a fantastic drivers car. With the FT-86 they've designed a sports car, it should not carry the 86 name. It's like Lotus building a 200mph car and calling it an the new Elise. Colin Chapman would be pissed.






Ken Block sucks.

Well, in Toyota's defense, I doubt they care what people do with them after they buy them. Plus, if people wreck them, then they will want another one!

They care because they have to warranty it. It's going to be just like Mitsubishi and the Evolution.

ABS disable for Auto-X? I'm better the one on the left is the traction control override.

This car is likely to be a class killer unless it goes straight into street-prepared.

On paper, I don't see anything that suggests it's going to blow the RX8 out of B stock, and nothing with that level of horsepower is an SS or AS contender.

What about the NOS button?

The inevitable floorboard delete mod will bump it to Modified, so no problem there.

Also, further reflection indicates that this would be a competitive but not dominant CS car, unless it manages to be lighter than the Solstice/Sky and MX5 while using wider wheels and not having shite suspension geometry.