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GusGus91 2011-02-07 10:55 PM

How the hell are these going to fit..
 
So I just picked up a set of 18x10 DPT's, +35 wrapped in 285/35/18, and some BC Racing coilovers, w/ the whiteline rear camber kit for the 08 STI.. I dont plan on slamming the car but put a nice drop on it since it's my daily.. Am I going to have to do anything else to make these fit without having to go with a lot of negative camber? I expect to do a roll. Maybe just have the bottom of the fender sit right at the top of the tire? I dont want it tucked.

Idea's?

sybir 2011-02-07 11:45 PM

You're going to have to apply a lot of love to your fenders. With a bat. Then you're going to have to run retarded amounts of camber.

A 285 on an 18x10 ET35 is a huge amount of rubber, right out on the fender. Sorry, them's the facts.

Hell, my buddy had to roll his rear fenders to keep from rubbing at stock height, with the wheels I'm selling, and those sit 1/2" inboard, and were running a 245.

Herrafrush is not a game I like playing........too many compromises on a DD car. I'm sure you can make it fit, but you're going to have to go to smaller tires, more camber than you want, destroy your fenders, lift your car, or a combo of all 4.

Not trying to be a dick, I wish you luck.......but that's a lot of wheel to buy and *then* ask how to make it fit.

GusGus91 2011-02-08 12:15 AM

Yea I just saw so many people saying that they didn't have problems putting their 18x10's on their 08's. But now I'm noticing they all had about 265's. Looks like I'll be doing some research. Or taking it to KSpeed.

100_Percent_Juice 2011-02-08 10:14 AM

Just stick them on the car and jump the train tracks over by Kspeed.

GusGus91 2011-02-08 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice (Post 154910)
Just stick them on the car and jump the train tracks over by Kspeed.

Well that would fix the fender problem after a few times. haha

cody 2011-02-08 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sybir (Post 154901)
You're going to have to apply a lot of love to your fenders. With a bat. Then you're going to have to run retarded amounts of camber.

A 285 on an 18x10 ET35 is a huge amount of rubber, right out on the fender. Sorry, them's the facts.

Hell, my buddy had to roll his rear fenders to keep from rubbing at stock height, with the wheels I'm selling, and those sit 1/2" inboard, and were running a 245.

Herrafrush is not a game I like playing........too many compromises on a DD car. I'm sure you can make it fit, but you're going to have to go to smaller tires, more camber than you want, destroy your fenders, lift your car, or a combo of all 4.Not trying to be a dick, I wish you luck.......but that's a lot of wheel to buy and *then* ask how to make it fit.

Assuming his coilovers have high spring rates and allow significant height adjustment, couldn't he just jack the car up high enough that the existing tires stick out below the fender and never come into contact with it? Then he could skip the excessive camber, fender rolling and having to buy new tires?

I remember seeing an old BMW 2002 that ran this type of setup at a track day at RFR.

sperry 2011-02-08 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 154913)
Assuming his coilovers have high spring rates and allow significant height adjustment, couldn't he just jack the car up high enough that the existing tires stick out below the fender and never come into contact with it? Then he could skip the excessive camber, fender rolling and having to buy new tires?

I remember seeing an old BMW 2002 that ran this type of setup at a track day at RFR.

You're looking at running the car, oh 2 inches *higher* than stock. :lol: I've never seen a non-rally coilover that can do that.

Also... is this the thread where I can post my "told you so" regarding my widebody comment Austin's WTB thread for wide wheels? :P ;)

cody 2011-02-08 10:57 AM

Ouch.

GusGus91 2011-02-08 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 154913)
Assuming his coilovers have high spring rates and allow significant height adjustment, couldn't he just jack the car up high enough that the existing tires stick out below the fender and never come into contact with it? Then he could skip the excessive camber and having to buy new tires?

I remember seeing an old BMW 2002 that ran this type of setup at a track day at RFR.

I was looking to have my ride height about like this. Here's a couple of my wrx with 17x9 on it also with BC Racing coilovers.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1646/img3647g.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8844/img4484ga.jpg

GusGus91 2011-02-08 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 154915)
You're looking at running the car, oh 2 inches *higher* than stock. :lol: I've never seen a non-rally coilover that can do that.

Also... is this the thread where I can post my "told you so" regarding my widebody comment Austin's WTB thread for wide wheels? :P ;)

lol no not acceptable in this thread.

KSpeed Auto 2011-02-08 04:21 PM

Maybe with...
- Fender rolling
- Adjustable rear control arms
- Camber plates all 4 corners
- Possible camber bolts also
- Aggressive but acceptable negative camber

Maybe...


Cory was able to get 265's on an RS, and Ray was able to get 275's on an 05 STI like this.

GusGus91 2011-02-08 05:26 PM

Well after researching today I'm for sure getting a 265. 285 is just going to be too much work.. Then hopefully that works..

GusGus91 2011-02-11 08:39 AM

I seem to always fail.

So I did a test fitment on another 08 tonight with the wheels.. Holt balls they stick out more than I thought. But I think I can get away with a 265 and not have to do a pull. Just a roll.. they clear the coilovers pretty good too.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3117/img2495sk.jpg
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8558/img7674l.jpg

cody 2011-02-11 11:26 AM

If you had extremely high spring rates, they wouldn't rub right?

sperry 2011-02-11 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 155006)
If you had extremely high spring rates, they wouldn't rub right?

Theoretically, yes... but we're talking about springs so stiff, it'd basically be a car without any useful suspension. What do you think a car with less than 1/2" full suspension travel would ride like? :lol:

A1337STI 2011-02-11 02:06 PM

Crazy .. 255's fit great in my stock 05 STI, did the 08s get rid of some tire clearance room or what?

GusGus91 2011-02-11 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by A1337STI (Post 155010)
Crazy .. 255's fit great in my stock 05 STI, did the 08s get rid of some tire clearance room or what?

Not that I know of..

sperry 2011-02-11 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by A1337STI (Post 155010)
Crazy .. 255's fit great in my stock 05 STI, did the 08s get rid of some tire clearance room or what?

Um, 285/35/18 on a 18x10+35 is a *much* bigger tire than a 255/40/17 on a 17x8+55.

The 285 is 1.2 inches wider, plus the offset is around .8 inches closer to the fender. So, at a minimum, that tire will need like 1.5" more fender clearance than your '05 Sti.

IheartSTI 2011-02-25 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 155013)
Um, 285/35/18 on a 18x10+35 is a *much* bigger tire than a 255/40/17 on a 17x8+55.

The 285 is 1.2 inches wider, plus the offset is around .8 inches closer to the fender. So, at a minimum, that tire will need like 1.5" more fender clearance than your '05 Sti.

Ah this is not totally true. You cant say it is 1.2" wider it all depends on the brand tire. Gus has 285 yes however he came over with a wheel and his tire is significantly narrower then my 275 toyo r888. they are more like my 265 advans. Either way he will have a hard time fitting them because the wheel off set not so much the tire size. I can run a 305 with my widebody with the right offset wheel however i am having troubles running 275 without rubbing because i have a 10.5 +22 wheel. By the looks of the picture you posted i would get a less tall tire, a "265", loads of camber, and a fender roller. Or you can do what reid did to his evo and flair the rear fenders. I think pancho charged him like 500$ and you can fit those 285 no problem with stock camber in the rear and a little more -camber in the front.

cody 2011-02-25 09:11 AM

Pics of Reid's rear fenders? :)

sperry 2011-02-25 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartSTI (Post 155201)
Ah this is not totally true. You cant say it is 1.2" wider it all depends on the brand tire. Gus has 285 yes however he came over with a wheel and his tire is significantly narrower then my 275 toyo r888. they are more like my 265 advans. Either way he will have a hard time fitting them because the wheel off set not so much the tire size. I can run a 305 with my widebody with the right offset wheel however i am having troubles running 275 without rubbing because i have a 10.5 +22 wheel. By the looks of the picture you posted i would get a less tall tire, a "265", loads of camber, and a fender roller. Or you can do what reid did to his evo and flair the rear fenders. I think pancho charged him like 500$ and you can fit those 285 no problem with stock camber in the rear and a little more -camber in the front.

Why would I be comparing tire sizes of different manufacturers? I'm not even comparing tire sizes of different tires made by the same manufacturer. I'm not even talking about a single, specific tire. I'm talking about the way tire sizes and offsets are defined.

The fact is, because of the way math works, 285/35/18 on a 18x10+35 requires almost 1.5" more fender side clearance than a 255/40/17 on a 17x8+55.

knucklesplitter 2011-02-25 11:35 AM

In general a 285 tire will measure 285mm wide on the rim size it was designed for. The width is almost always the sidewall width, not the tread width, but on lower and lower profile tires the tread width approaches the sidewall width. At least that's the way it was at Michelin when I worked there. If it is narrower than 285 then it probably meant for a wider rim.

IheartSTI 2011-02-26 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry (Post 155204)
Why would I be comparing tire sizes of different manufacturers? I'm not even comparing tire sizes of different tires made by the same manufacturer. I'm not even talking about a single, specific tire. I'm talking about the way tire sizes and offsets are defined.

The fact is, because of the way math works, 285/35/18 on a 18x10+35 requires almost 1.5" more fender side clearance than a 255/40/17 on a 17x8+55.

I am so so sorry sperry. I misunderstood what you were saying. I will never let that happen again. Your totally right broski.


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