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Old 2010-03-26, 08:29 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by sperry View Post
These are the services I believe my gov't should provide to all for "free", paid for by our taxes:

education (K-college)
military
justice
police
fire
rescue
medical/healthcare
basic food/clothing/shelter

In short, no one in the country should have to be stupid, hungry, sick, or homeless unless they choose to be. Citizens should all have universal access to these basic services as a benefit of living in a modern society. Outside of that, people should be free to do anything they wish so long as it doesn't infringe on another person's freedom to do the same.

If you want to mooch off the system, go right ahead. I just have a hard time believe there are many people that would aspire to nothing having been provided with a quality college education. If the gov't is going to be paying for your basic services, you should be required to get an education.

And all of that should be paid for with a flat national sales tax. No more income tax... just a VAT on all goods sold at all steps along the manufacturing pipeline. So even if you're a welfare moocher, unless you're living on just the bare necessities paid for by welfare, you're going to be paying taxes on the stuff you buy.
I agree with that sentence, but that's about it. That's how it works now. No one has to be any of those things, they choose to be. I don't think the government should provide healthcare, housing, or college education. I believe everyone should have the right to be stupid, sick, or homeless, if you so choose. That's what America is about, the right to choose. Everyone has a chance to better themselves in this country. If you're not happy with not having the health insurance you want, do something about it. Quit using a cell phone, and use that money for insurance. Quit driving a car and ride the bus. I shouldn't have to pay for health insurance so you can have it for free.

I'm going to school to become an engineer. I'm putting in all this work right now, so that I can make a bunch of money later. It's stupid that I should have to pay for someone who has never tried to better their situation. Why should we all have to pay for people who drop out of high school, get a shit job, and spend all of their money on weed and alcohol instead of health insurance?

Sorry if this got a little rant-y or hard to read, I'm a bit fired up on the topic. And I don't mean to single out Sperry, it's just the one post I chose to quote. I might be playing with fire, trying to pick a fight with Scott

One more thing: you can't say people will not aspire to nothing, given an education. People do that now! How many people in your high school class dropped out? I know quite a few. Hell, I even have cousins that did it. Plenty of people choose to do nothing with their lives, and they have the right to do so. What they don't have the right to do is make me better their situation for them. I'm not your mom, I'm not here to clean up your mess. I'm here to clean up my own.

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