[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by sp00ln

BAN SUVS - Dont talk down to me and act all big behind your computer screen. First of all, if you READ what I said, I never said WRXs were more reliable than DSMs; I said that MY DSM (specific) was more reliable than my friends WRX (specific). Does this "register"? Also, I was around with SECCS guys before you were, and I thought they were awesome people. Everyone was real nice to me, and they continue to be nice to me. The reason to why I like SECCS so much is that it's a classy group of guys that are into cars. And I hope their reputation isn't ruined by people like you. And FYI, I never talked shit about WRX. Instead of just scanning my post, why dont you read it in an attempt to understand it?

What I read was you tearing Sam a new asshole for suggesting that he had "never seen a DSM last very long unless it is bone stock." The first words of your post were

You dont know what the fuck you're talking about. You still know jack shit about cars. My friends WRX broke down way more than my shitty DSM - and his car was NEW!!! His clutch gave out on him after a trip to san francisco and his transmition SHATTERED after 5 months.

So explain to me how I'm out of line for calling BS on you? Fine, you didn't make the claim that DSMs are more reliable than Subarus- I'm still claiming that DSMs are not quality automobiles. Blame it on whatever you want; owners, attitudes, age, luck, alignment of the planets... they break. More than most cars. I will grant you that a lot of problems with DSMs are owner-caused. I am very distrustful of the average DSM guys "tech" because I have seen so many dumb things done with them. So naturally, when some guy I've never heard of before shows up on SECCS and starts spouting DSM tuner truths like

If I were going to get any exhaust, I'd get something from rnrracing (www.rnrracing.com). I have their cat-back for my DSM and it's strait as can be, full 3'', SS mandrel bent.

and

I have mine in my o2. It really doesn't matter where you put it, just as long your EGT doesn't go above "normal" readings. Is your car stock? If so, just see where it normally is during WOT and as you upgrade, make sure not to go above, or too above, that mark. There is a big debate on DSM tuners about this. The problem with installing it in the ex.manifold, more so autometer (I'd suggest getting a greddy probe), is that the probe can break off and fall into the turbo.

and

No, there are several arguments for the after turbo installation... if you would read the posts. Also, there is an argument there that "why does *cylinder 3* (#1 in the DSM case) run the hottest?" Do you really think it's struggeling for fuel? I doubt it. Every car is different,

It just bugs the shit out of me that someone who has never owned a recent model subaru, never learned how they work, never bothered to learn what makes it different from other cars comes to a tech-oriented, Subaru-driven message board and gives the noobs DSM tech advice. I want to make this very clear: the tuning tricks and methods used by the DSM community, by and large, ARE NOT good ideas for applying to Subarus. It doesn't mean that it's not good advice on an Eclipse. But stop giving tech advice to people on this board because you simply don't know enough about the WRX to do so. I sincerely hope that you understand that I'm not attacking you for wanting to help other SECCS members out; I have exactly the same motivation for being here. Bad advice is bad advice, even if it was well-meaning. Please understand that I spend a significant amount of time trying to stem the tide of misinformation that seems to wash over all new Subaru owners, and I am the same way here on SECCS. So, I'd like to set aside the fact that I don't like DSMs nor do I like the stereotypical DSM owner. I assumed you were one of those people because your first three posts on this board in over a year were:

Evo's rock.

and

Get a DSM.

and then

Or a 2.5 RS... those are winners.

Then, just last night:

but talking shit about other peoples PRIDES and PASSIONS is a REAL good way to make enemies.

Perhaps you can understand why I came to the conclusion that you weren't like the rest of SECCS, which you described just now as "a classy group of guys that are into cars." Forgive me if I'm wrong, but perhaps your first impression with me didn't quite match that description. So, after establishing yourself in my eyes as the typical DSM owner who thinks his shit doesn't stink and has a chip on his shoulder and/or an inferiority complex about his car of choice, you start giving poor techinical advice, which is the much greater sin.

Perhaps my perception of you is off the mark. Maybe I've taken things you intended as jokes to be things you actually believed. Whatever the case, I'd rather be proven wrong in my current view that you're not the kind of person who belongs in this group.

If you are willing to give it a shot, I'll try to put aside my perception of you as a typical DSM egotistical ricer idiot if you'll let me dispel your perception of me as an e-thugging shittalking asshole with no tolerance for enthusiasts of other marques. I'd like the chance to explain to you why the advice you've given in the tech forums isn't good advice here even though it's the gospel at DSMtuners. It works great there. It's not so good here. All I ask is that you are willing to consider the possibility that that is the truth. There's no reason why the two of us can't get get along here, since we both consider ourselves the classy car guys that this group is founded on. Unless of course, one or both of us is right about the other.