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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

here we go again. Scott with his famous last word to make someone feel like an ass by adding question and making me defend myself

It's not my intention to make you or anyone else feel like an ass. I'm stating my opinion, and attempting to respect yours even if I disagree. Nowhere have I personally attacked you, and if I disagree with your beliefs, I attempt to explain why I disagree, while understanding there's a very good posibility that we may never agree. In either way, I'm not judging you based on this stuff... I consider you a friend, and respect you regardless of our political and religious differences. I don't really think that I'll change your mind, but I do think that dialog about these kinds of differences can be beneficial to both parties, as long as there is mutual respect.

I'm not high enough to decide how others sould live their life, however I would like to protect the way of life we live and the way we repreasent America. Yor right it is between gay's and God, but does that mean we should make it marriage by term a holy blessing legal? Its still "America in God we Trust".

Scott your an ass if you support gay marriage in the American Constatution and I'm sorry if that afends people. Now gay unions that get the beifits of there respective party that doenst get a Merriage blessing such as state marriage; ok.

Now think about this if its ok for gays to marry legally what would be next? Maybe Utah would say it ok to marry mutible spouse's? I don't think you understand the hole moral story that lays with what the issue is? you think it ok to be gay fine so do I, but how its done will make things easier for others to then have mutible spouses? is that what you want for America?

I understand the wish to protect what is important to you. However, I can't think of one single tangible consequence to gay marriage. First, the only thing I'm talking about is the recognition of marriage by the state, and only the state. Laws should have nothing to do with religion. The Church can go ahead and say marriage can only be between a man and a woman. But in the eyes of the state, it's plain old discrimination to say only men and women can wed. You might as well say "marriage can only be between white people", it's the same thing. And as far as the Constitution is concerned, gay marriage is already legal, since there's nothing about it in the Constitution, and that's how I think it should remain. Years from now when we as a nation (hopefully) stop looking down on gay people, all these anti-gay marriage laws are going to be a dark smear on many state constitutions.

lol *many* but lets not count cults I dont know what *many* religons you have in mind but ok, the main religions in this country all read from the bible and we will continue to pray for the *many* others

I'm not trying to say we need to outlaw others beliefs but as America we need to protect "In God we Trust" or it we be "In Hell well Burn". Don't you agree? Have you really read the bible for yourself or did you just attend the Catholic mass? How do you really think God feels about the direction of America's people with the moral bible issues? think our loving father will punish us if we stray to far?

Why shouldn't we count cults? As far as the state's concerned all religions are allowed. Besides, it was about 2000 years ago that this weird branch of Judaism with 13 members started... look what it's become today. Not to mention the thousands of Christian sects in this country that are just as "cultish" as the "real" cults. Once again, it's not my place, or the government's place to make decisions about what's religiously acceptable, so we have to allow all religions, no matter how cult-like they are.

The fundamental building block of our nation has been getting eaten away at even sence it was writen and every time we change the Constitution youve eaten more too what end? Do you realy think your making a better America by note respecting "In God we Trust". We all have a voice and its scary that someone like you and your voice would incite a stament like this "I'm just concerned that the majority of our country has decided that they're morally superior because they're in the majority. That's very dangerous territory", what a great out look you have to incite hestriara, have some faith

No where in the Constitution or the Ammendments does "In God we Trust" apear. Check for yourself:


http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

"In God We Trust" is on our money, but that's only been there since the mid 1800's... it's certainly *not* one of the founding priciples of America. http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-...we-trust.shtml

(Edit: Also, regarding the Pledge of Allegiance... the "Under God" portion wasn't added until 1954... http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm, yet another example of church and state losing its seperatism over the years. It seems that it's not the loss of religious beliefs that are erroding the fundamentals of our government, it's the inclusion of religious beliefs that are erroding the fundamentals of our government.)

I'm not trying to incite anything. My point is that there are a lot of people that want to remove the seperation of church and state. If that occurs, and one person loses their freedom, then we lose our freedom. Once someone is required to believe and act in a way that they didn't choose, we're no longer a free country. Things like religious fundamentalism, the Patriot Act, laws to uphold moral beliefs... they all lead down the road to revolution. Those were the *exact* things our Consitution was created to protect us against, since those are the *exact* reasons the forefathers came to America.