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Originally Posted by sperry
I never said ECUTek is better than Cobb's offerings. I said a dumbass on the street has a hopeless chance of tuning a car to the level that an experienced professional with the right tools can. Hell, when you get down to it, the AP and the ECUTek are exactly the same thing: the stock ECU.
... So, if and when you can go out and tune your car from the ground up, on the street, in a repeatable, safe, and legal manner with the Street Tuner software, then I'll stop recommending the ECUTek over the Street Tuner. I'm not exactly holding my breath....
Ugh... I'm starting to feel like Kevin in these debates!  |
But that's the point, a PROFESSIONAL with the right tools did create the base maps for the AP/ST! You continue to minimize that and assume that 30 minutes on a dyno with a "professional" is magically better. Mike K's open to closed loop transition issues are a great example of where the AP outshined the ECUTek/dyno tune. Could it have been resolved on the ECUTek, yes, probably with many more pulls, but ECUTek and a DYNO are not magical!
Why in the world would I want to start from the ground up? I don't understand your premiss.
ECUTek doesn't start at ground zero. They publish base maps, etc. that the tuner uses to build the custiomized ones There isn't just a screen full of Zeros. Even AEM has base maps for at least the cars they have harness connectors for. What is this obsession with starting from scratch?
You are right, they are both the stock ECU with all it's abilities to adapt, and protect your engine, with maps on them.
With ECUTek, you get one or two maps "customized" to your car/needs that require a trip back to the tuner when you make changes that are outside the ability of the ECU to adapt.
With AP/ST you get 5-10+ maps that you can customize to your car/needs as they change over time.
Two different approaches, with different implications, costs, risks, and energy/effort involved.
All I ask is that we stop bagging on either product, and stick to the tech.