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Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue
I agree with you. And I see the jackass degenerates flying around town and I stare down my nose at them the same way any of you do.
My problem is that there isn't much (if any) separation thus far in this argument in regard to i.e. racing your friend at a stoplight - which I'm sure most of us do or have done. You're being safe, if you catch up to traffic you slow down, you don't take turns at 25 mph faster than you're capable. You're within your limits.
You can be safe, with enough intelligence and restraint. That's basically all I'm trying to get across.
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I think this is implied by the lot of us here, but there is a definite seperation that might need to be stated aloud for you and anyone else who might not visit regularly. The seperation comes from that moment when one of the two people gets it in their head that they can't lose and will do anything to win the "race". Then their judgement is compromised and they become a hazard to themselves, their friend(s), that little old lady crossing the street who just needed some milk and one egg from the supermarket and the little girl jumping rope on the street corner.
Now, that lack (or loss) of judgement can come at any time, whether it just be just playing around from stop light to stop light, or in a full blown "race". And the more people you get together the more likely a person with bad judgement will show up. And yes, I've seen it at the track too, but it is minor and usually dealt with harshly. For me (and many others) its just not worth going up against some random jackass who probably thinks he's got something to prove. On the other hand, when you go to a track, you are way more likely to find skilled drivers and most everyone leaves their ego at the gate. So more likely then not, you can just have fun and not worry about going up against some idiot who will risk your life and theirs.