2006 Reno SCCA Schedule - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

MattR · 2005-12-28, 10:44 PM

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Date	Event			             Location	
APRIL				
1	Solo2 School			Stead	
2	Solo 2 Test-n-Tune		Stead	
8	Solo 2 Event #1			Stead	
9	Solo 2 Event #2			Stead	
29	Club Trials #1			Reno Fernley	
	
MAY					
13	Solo 2 Event #3			Stead	
14	Solo 2 Event #4			Stead	
27	Solo 2 Event #5			Hawthorne	
28	Solo 2 Event #6			Hawthorne
	
JUNE					
10	Club Trial #3			Lovelock	
11	Club Trial #3			Lovelock	
24	Solo 2 Event #7			Stead	
25	Solo 2 Event #8			Stead	

JULY				
15	Solo 2 Event #9			Stead	
16	Solo 2 Event #10			Stead	
22	Club Trials #4			Reno Fernley	
23	Club Trials #4			Reno Fernley	

AUG					
?	Solo 2 Event #11			????	
?	Solo 2 Event #12			????                             

SEPT					
9	Solo 2 Event #13			Lovelock	
10	Solo 2 Event #14			Lovelock	
16	Club Trial (Championship)		Reno Fernley	
17	Club Trial (Championship)		Reno Fernley	

OCT					
7	Solo 2 Event #15			Stead	
8	Solo 2 Event #16 			Stead	
	
NOV					
4	Awards banquet (TBA)

dknv · 2005-12-28, 11:06 PM

So, no more east/west matchup with Idaho, huh?

Divisional? (June 24/25?)

MattR · 2005-12-28, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dknv

So, no more east/west matchup with Idaho, huh?

Divisional? (June 24/25?)

No, No more Winnemucca Challenge, the airport wants a large site deposit now, and it's just not worth it.

Also, we have yet to decide on the divisional. We will put it to vote at the Wed Club meeting. As of right now, it looks like there will be no divisional, but I think Dave D is still pushing to get it on the schedule. IF we do decide to have a divisional, it will indeed be that weekend of June 24-25.

dknv · 2005-12-28, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

No, No more Winnemucca Challenge, the airport wants a large site deposit now, and it's just not worth it.

Also, we have yet to decide on the divisional. We will put it to vote at the Wed Club meeting. As of right now, it looks like there will be no divisional, but I think Dave D is still pushing to get it on the schedule. IF we do decide to have a divisional, it will indeed be that weekend of June 24-25.

Same weekend as nascar at infineon. Again.

sperry · 2005-12-28, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dknv

Same weekend as nascar at infineon. Again.

You mean "Same weekend as Grand Prix du Canada". Which is fine for me, 'cause now I got a great excuse to miss the Divisional, if we happen to have one that weekend.

dknv · 2005-12-28, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

You mean "Same weekend as Grand Prix du Canada". Which is fine for me, 'cause now I got a great excuse to miss the Divisional, if we happen to have one that weekend.

I think directors and officers are required to be there.

MattR · 2005-12-28, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dknv

I think directors and officers are required to be there.

Well, 2 directors will be in Montreal!

Dean · 2005-12-29, 08:39 AM

I'll be there to vote against the divisional. Until the division can put together a solid program that adds value, it is way to much effort for to little reward i nmy mind.

I'd much rather have a normal 10 or so run casual weekend than a 6 run bust my ass weekend with a side of extra BS.

Nick Koan · 2005-12-29, 09:10 AM

I don't think I could have said it better myself Dean.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 09:44 AM

Re: divisional, I like the idea of having a number of out-of-region high caliber drivers who come here as opposed to traveling somewhere else to drive with them at the same event; but I didn't necessarily like the fact that it was considered two of our points events, and diluted the distribution of points. (Same thing goes for N/S challenge in Hawthorne as well as the now-defunct Winnemucca challenge.)

And Dean, what was your experience about the extra side of BS? Yes, it was a ton of work, is that your definition of bs?

MikeK · 2005-12-29, 09:49 AM

I vote for no divisional!! Three runs, on what was easily the crappiest track we had all year, along with all the extra paperwork and hassle, and having to be there all day ... for 1:30 on track? No!

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Originally Posted by dknv

Re: divisional, I like the idea of having a number of out-of-region high caliber drivers who come here as opposed to traveling somewhere else to drive with them at the same event

pffftt! They were all slow!

Dean · 2005-12-29, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv

And Dean, what was your experience about the extra side of BS? Yes, it was a ton of work, is that your definition of bs?

No. I can clearly define BS; dealing with Kattie, as well as the additional T&S headaches.

There is nothing in the rules saying you can't run 5 runs, but Kattie won't let us. Here claim is you don't get 5 runs at a tour, or nationals. BFD! This is not those events. She does none of the prep work and then swoops in the day of the event and tells everybody what they should be doing, and why what they are doing is wrong. I won't go into the T&S crap, but lets just say there is a bunch.

Also, I would be surprised if anybody who experiences last year's fiasco of a total of six 30 second runs is likley to drive from anywhere, much less Reno for such an event with gas prices where they are likely to be.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

There is nothing in the rules saying you can't run 5 runs, but Kattie won't let us. Here claim is you don't get 5 runs at a tour, or nationals. BFD! This is not those events. She does none of the prep work and then swoops in the day of the event and tells everybody what they should be doing, and why what they are doing is wrong. I won't go into the T&S crap, but lets just say there is a bunch.

Also, I would be surprised if anybody who experiences last year's fiasco of a total of six 30 second runs is likley to drive from anywhere, much less Reno for such an event with gas prices where they are likely to be.

You mean, that there's nothing in the rules for allowing 5 runs, (although only the first 3 count), right? I must be losing my mind, didn't we have fun runs on Sat.

But as steward, that's her role (make sure everybody's doing it 'right' according to the rulebook, because the out of region drivers for the most part expect things to be run by the book) -- sorry it affected you as bs.

But you reminded me of the other issue that's been discussed, that the divisional, as a series of Norpac events, doesn't provide the right incentives to get the participation that a divisional deserves.

MattR · 2005-12-29, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

No. I can clearly define BS; dealing with Kattie, as well as the additional T&S headaches.

EXACTLY! That lady creates stress and conflict.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

pffftt! They were all slow!

Didn't some out of town mini cooper take pax both days?

MattR · 2005-12-29, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv

But you reminded me of the other issue that's been discussed, that the divisional, as a series of Norpac events, doesn't provide the right incentives to get the participation that a divisional deserves.

At the upcoming NORPAC convention, the direction of a Divisional series will be discussed at length. I agree with the stance Dean has had all along...If there's no incentive, or organized series, then the events will fail. There is too much effort in both putting on the event, and attending them from a distance. I think given the state of the Divisional series (non-existant for the most-part) we should at least take a year off from hosting a divisional while the series is built.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR

At the upcoming NORPAC convention, the direction of a Divisional series will be discussed at length.

Good. Are you going to attend that discussion (Mr. Director)?

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Originally Posted by MattR

I agree with the stance Dean has had all along...If there's no incentive, or organized series, then the events will fail. There is too much effort in both putting on the event, and attending them from a distance. I think given the state of the Divisional series (non-existant for the most-part) we should at least take a year off from hosting a divisional while the series is built.

The other troubling part of a divisional series, is that the two other major west coast events that are (were) part of it were National Tours. In NT's, you can also race for contingency winnings, cash or tire allowances, something not available here.

Dean · 2005-12-29, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv

You mean, that there's nothing in the rules for allowing 5 runs, (although only the first 3 count), right? I must be losing my mind, didn't we have fun runs on Sat.

But as steward, that's her role (make sure everybody's doing it 'right' according to the rulebook, because the out of region drivers for the most part expect things to be run by the book) -- sorry it affected you as bs.

But you reminded me of the other issue that's been discussed, that the divisional, as a series of Norpac events, doesn't provide the right incentives to get the participation that a divisional deserves.

The rules say minimum of 3, there is no limitation to 3. You could run 7 for all the rule book cares. We Ran 4 on Sat. two years ago, and Kattie had a caniption! The series can't look like the tour because it isn't. it has to find it's own character/personality.

Yes, that was one of my points. Until the division has a concrete plan for marketing, and benefits for the series, it is a waste, and a burden. It was such a great thing to get my 2003 division "trophy" in June/July of 2004... What an incentive. Not!

That may be the Chief stewards role, but her methods and attitude are not approriate for a voulenteer organization.

The last unrelated straw for me was at Wendover while I was working the entry gate and Kattie and Kevin came blasting through the gate without slowing or stopping for arm band check, and ignoring my direction to slow down. The egos are out of control.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

The last unrelated straw for me was at Wendover while I was working the entry gate and Kattie and Kevin came blasting through the gate without slowing or stopping for arm band check, and ignoring my direction to slow down. The egos are out of control.

Who was driving?!

(Sorry, I know it wasn't funny at the time; I know others who agree with you on this point.)

dknv · 2005-12-29, 10:31 AM

Changing the subject - 3 weekends of club trials at RFR, are those locked in? I really want to get the rx8 out there ...

Dean · 2005-12-29, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv

Who was driving?!

(Sorry, I know it wasn't funny at the time; I know others who agree with you on this point.)

Kevin, but when I brought it up politely and privatly later to Kattie, she got all deffensive and pissy, not appoligetic. Kevin was a little better.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-12-29, 11:28 AM

Autocross already has a low payoff/work ratio even if you're doing 5 or 6 runs per day. If you get down to 3 runs, it's almost worthless. IMO.

MattR · 2005-12-29, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dknv

Changing the subject - 3 weekends of club trials at RFR, are those locked in? I really want to get the rx8 out there ...

Yes, Locked in and committed. Also, the roll bar rules have been lifted, so your car and mine are legal for trials. should be a lot of fun.

dknv · 2005-12-29, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Also, the roll bar rules have been lifted, so your car and mine are legal for trials. should be a lot of fun.

oops, oh yeah, these are Club Trials, not Solo Trials.

M3n2c3 · 2005-12-30, 03:52 AM

I'm going to go stir-crazy waiting for April.

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dknv EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 39n53, 119w90 Posts: 2,698 Car: RX-8 Class: CS maybe	So, no more east/west matchup with Idaho, huh? Divisional? (June 24/25?)

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dknv EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 39n53, 119w90 Posts: 2,698 Car: RX-8 Class: CS maybe	Re: divisional, I like the idea of having a number of out-of-region high caliber drivers who come here as opposed to traveling somewhere else to drive with them at the same event; but I didn't necessarily like the fact that it was considered two of our points events, and diluted the distribution of points. (Same thing goes for N/S challenge in Hawthorne as well as the now-defunct Winnemucca challenge.) And Dean, what was your experience about the extra side of BS? Yes, it was a ton of work, is that your definition of bs?

2005-12-29, 10:31 AM	#20
dknv EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 39n53, 119w90 Posts: 2,698 Car: RX-8 Class: CS maybe	Changing the subject - 3 weekends of club trials at RFR, are those locked in? I really want to get the rx8 out there ...