UPDATE!?! - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

U53D · 2004-12-13, 07:36 PM

Okay, so the dealer is going to have to drop a brand new shortblock in the car. costing a total off $5,000. The nice thing about that is that it is the company who fixed my oil leaks fault... because the guy took off my pulley in able to get to the leak... and didnt tighten the bolt correctly. So they are going to pay for it. I will have the car by thursday or friday by the latest...

Evo Mike · 2004-12-13, 07:41 PM

i think that's a good thing for your car.. it's like having a new motor ! haha

Nick Koan · 2004-12-13, 08:15 PM

Ask them to put in an ej20 instead

Dean · 2004-12-13, 08:22 PM

You might want to consider paying to have a head job done while it/they are off anyway. Then you will effectivly have a new motor...

Evo Mike · 2004-12-13, 09:04 PM

humm, i would take the $$ and buy an STi shortblock.. OR a spec C motor? i knwo you can get those from gruppe S installed for under 5k

i would definetly go a different route than them spending 5k on the same thing you had before!

MikeK · 2004-12-13, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

You might want to consider paying to have a head job done

$5k is a little high for that ...

JC · 2004-12-13, 10:01 PM

You can have a WRX motor installed for $5k.

MikeSTI · 2004-12-13, 10:28 PM

they quoted you a really high price for a shortblock + install

and if they messed it up the first time I would have them pay another shop to do the work :? if they will give you the 5k to go somewhere else

Nick Koan · 2004-12-13, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

$5k is a little high for that ...

doubleurx · 2004-12-14, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nKoan

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Originally Posted by MikeK

$5k is a little high for that ...

Yes this is true. An STI shortblock can be purchased for around $1800. With forged internals $2500. IF you can take the money do it.

ScottyS · 2004-12-14, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by U53D

Okay, so the dealer is going to have to drop a brand new shortblock in the car. costing a total off $5,000. The nice thing about that is that it is the company who fixed my oil leaks fault... because the guy took off my pulley in able to get to the leak... and didnt tighten the bolt correctly. So they are going to pay for it. I will have the car by thursday or friday by the latest...

Ouch. So it really was the idler pulley throwing the timing belt, eh? Do you know approximately how many miles it went from the repair to the breakdown?

sperry · 2004-12-14, 09:38 AM

What I want to know is how having the accessory belt come off ruined your short block. Normally all that would happen is that the alternator, power steering pump, and air conditioner would stop spinning.

Perhaps it was the timing belt that came loose? 'Course then the short block would still be okay, but your valves and pistons might be ruined... which would mean head work and a new bottom-end potentially, but unless the car made a seriously huge boom when it happened, the short block would be fine.

U53D · 2004-12-14, 10:05 AM

i went down this morning with my dad to inspect it, and there are little shavings of metal in the crankshaft... so they were just like, okay new shortblock. So Subaru is going to do it and i should have it back by friday. =D

ScottyS · 2004-12-14, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

What I want to know is how having the accessory belt come off ruined your short block. Normally all that would happen is that the alternator, power steering pump, and air conditioner would stop spinning.

Perhaps it was the timing belt that came loose? 'Course then the short block would still be okay, but your valves and pistons might be ruined... which would mean head work and a new bottom-end potentially, but unless the car made a seriously huge boom when it happened, the short block would be fine.

Yeah --- I'm sorta confused too. The first post indicated that it was an accessory belt tensioner pulley (various indicator lights, pulley falling off the car, "threw the beltS", etc). The whole bit about a short block and the "pulled the pulley off to get the leak" description says that it really was an idler pulley on the timing belt.

So.....I'm not sure what happened. The first problem is a cheap, fast fix. The second involves major dough. Such is life when the dealer gets involved, eh?

U53D · 2004-12-14, 10:17 AM

they tried telling my mom that it was because of the aftermarket intake, headers, and exhaust. So when we went down, we had them tell us what they told my mom, and we laughed, literally. Then my dad explained the scenario and they were like, "Oh, well that makes sense now."

Nick Koan · 2004-12-14, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx

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Originally Posted by nKoan

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Originally Posted by MikeK

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Originally Posted by Dean

You might want to consider paying to have a head job done

$5k is a little high for that ...

Yes this is true. An STI shortblock can be purchased for around $1800. With forged internals $2500. IF you can take the money do it.

Oh, I believe that the mechanical work can be done for that cheap.

I just think "Head Job" means something different in Australian

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-12-14, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

but unless the car made a seriously huge boom when it happened, the short block would be fine.

It can happen, believe me...

sperry · 2004-12-14, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by sperry

but unless the car made a seriously huge boom when it happened, the short block would be fine.

It can happen, believe me...

Um, a 5.0L Mustang race motor under race conditions is a little different than Brandon here w/ hie 2.5L DOHC N/A Impreza motor. That think couldn't grenade with an actual grenade crammed into the intake.

Those motors tend to kill themselves by overheating and blowing the head gaskets... not by shooting a rod throught the side of the block.

MikeSTI · 2004-12-14, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Um, a 5.0L Mustang race motor under race conditions is a little different than Brandon here w/ hie 2.5L DOHC N/A Impreza motor. That think couldn't grenade with an actual grenade crammed into the intake.

Those motors tend to kill themselves by overheating and blowing the head gaskets... not by shooting a rod throught the side of the block.

true, but with bettAr spelling

sperry · 2004-12-14, 10:48 AM

That reminds me:

Brandon... if you can get yourself a set of SOHC heads... DO IT! At the very least that will prevent you from needing new head gaskets every 60k miles.

Better yet, do what all these other guys have said: take the $5000 from the shop and get a WRX swap done! ...'course then you have to promise to take care of that thing and not drive like an idiot. If you were to kill a red '98 w/ a turbo motor we'd have to kill you back.

sperry · 2004-12-14, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSTI

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Originally Posted by sperry

Um, a 5.0L Mustang race motor under race conditions is a little different than Brandon here w/ his 2.5L DOHC N/A Impreza motor. That thing couldn't grenade with an actual grenade crammed into the intake.

Those motors tend to kill themselves by overheating and blowing the head gaskets... not by shooting a rod through the side of the block.

true, but with bettAr spelling

wow, I suck.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-12-14, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Um, a 5.0L Mustang race motor under race conditions is a little different than Brandon here w/ hie 2.5L DOHC N/A Impreza motor. That think couldn't grenade with an actual grenade crammed into the intake.

Those motors tend to kill themselves by overheating and blowing the head gaskets... not by shooting a rod throught the side of the block.

Well, ours didn't shoot a rod through the block, it had a piston let go (probably from contacting a valve) and the resultant 10 million pieces of piston & rod cracked the bottom wall of that cylinder as they flailed about.

Anything can happen when internals run into each other, even in a Subaru motor... no one will know until it's opened up for analysis.

sybir · 2004-12-14, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

That reminds me:

Brandon... if you can get yourself a set of SOHC heads... DO IT! At the very least that will prevent you from needing new head gaskets every 60k miles.

No, it won't

SOHC's have the same issues on 2.5 blocks, it's just not quite as common becuase they were produced later in the revision cycle and never had the crappy gaskets which cause the issue in the first place.

Also, SOHC's blow the HG's externally, and tend to have more extensive head damage when they go, in my expereince

My DOHC didn't go until 120k, and that was with me abusing the hell out of the car.

DOHC revs better, too

U53D · 2005-01-02, 02:38 PM

THEY STILL HAVE NOT STARTED ON MY CAR... damn insurance adjuster people! its been 3 weeks without my car... and i hate it.

Kevin M · 2005-01-02, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by U53D

THEY STILL HAVE NOT STARTED ON MY CAR... damn insurance adjuster people! its been 3 weeks without my car... and i hate it.

I told you dude... just pressure them for a check. Then call Nate.

2004-12-13, 07:36 PM	#1
U53D EJ22 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 482 Car: '05 Aspen White STI Class: n00b Im "that one kid"	UPDATE!?! Okay, so the dealer is going to have to drop a brand new shortblock in the car. costing a total off $5,000. The nice thing about that is that it is the company who fixed my oil leaks fault... because the guy took off my pulley in able to get to the leak... and didnt tighten the bolt correctly. So they are going to pay for it. I will have the car by thursday or friday by the latest... __________________ What the fuck does WTF mean?

2004-12-13, 07:41 PM	#2
Evo Mike EJ251 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 513	i think that's a good thing for your car.. it's like having a new motor ! haha __________________ I Can't Believe My Friends.... Drive WRX's....

2004-12-13, 08:15 PM	#3
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Ask them to put in an ej20 instead __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-12-13, 08:22 PM	#4
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	You might want to consider paying to have a head job done while it/they are off anyway. Then you will effectivly have a new motor... __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2004-12-13, 09:04 PM	#5
Evo Mike EJ251 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 513	humm, i would take the $$ and buy an STi shortblock.. OR a spec C motor? i knwo you can get those from gruppe S installed for under 5k i would definetly go a different route than them spending 5k on the same thing you had before! __________________ I Can't Believe My Friends.... Drive WRX's....

2004-12-13, 10:01 PM	#7
JC Ask me about dubs! Real Name: JC Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 2,895 Car: 2013 Triumph Speed Triple R	You can have a WRX motor installed for $5k. __________________ Actually, I am a rocket scientist.

2004-12-13, 10:28 PM	#8
MikeSTI EJ205 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,354 Car: 2004 STi Class: TSM I can't complain	they quoted you a really high price for a shortblock + install and if they messed it up the first time I would have them pay another shop to do the work :? if they will give you the 5k to go somewhere else __________________ Cobb Stage 2

2004-12-14, 09:38 AM	#12
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	What I want to know is how having the accessory belt come off ruined your short block. Normally all that would happen is that the alternator, power steering pump, and air conditioner would stop spinning. Perhaps it was the timing belt that came loose? 'Course then the short block would still be okay, but your valves and pistons might be ruined... which would mean head work and a new bottom-end potentially, but unless the car made a seriously huge boom when it happened, the short block would be fine. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2004-12-14, 10:05 AM	#13
U53D EJ22 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 482 Car: '05 Aspen White STI Class: n00b Im "that one kid"	i went down this morning with my dad to inspect it, and there are little shavings of metal in the crankshaft... so they were just like, okay new shortblock. So Subaru is going to do it and i should have it back by friday. =D __________________ What the fuck does WTF mean?

2004-12-14, 10:17 AM	#15
U53D EJ22 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 482 Car: '05 Aspen White STI Class: n00b Im "that one kid"	they tried telling my mom that it was because of the aftermarket intake, headers, and exhaust. So when we went down, we had them tell us what they told my mom, and we laughed, literally. Then my dad explained the scenario and they were like, "Oh, well that makes sense now." __________________ What the fuck does WTF mean?

2004-12-14, 10:48 AM	#20
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	That reminds me: Brandon... if you can get yourself a set of SOHC heads... DO IT! At the very least that will prevent you from needing new head gaskets every 60k miles. Better yet, do what all these other guys have said: take the $5000 from the shop and get a WRX swap done! ...'course then you have to promise to take care of that thing and not drive like an idiot. If you were to kill a red '98 w/ a turbo motor we'd have to kill you back. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2005-01-02, 02:38 PM	#24
U53D EJ22 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 482 Car: '05 Aspen White STI Class: n00b Im "that one kid"	THEY STILL HAVE NOT STARTED ON MY CAR... damn insurance adjuster people! its been 3 weeks without my car... and i hate it. __________________ What the fuck does WTF mean?

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