F1 Silly Season 2009! - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2008-11-03, 12:14 PM

2008's been over with for a whole day now... who's got rumors for '09?

I see Seb Loeb is getting more F1 seat time, this time in a RedBull at a full test session:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...03193612.shtml

Nick Koan · 2008-11-05, 08:24 AM

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/n...for_%2709.html

Alono and Piquet to stay on at Renault.

MattR · 2008-11-05, 08:58 AM

Piquet stays? Wow. I was incredibly unimpressed by his performance all season.

Nick Koan · 2008-11-05, 08:59 AM

Tell me about it.

They must have seen something at the end, although I don't know what.

Nick Koan · 2008-11-05, 10:11 AM

Not driver related, but new regs for 09!

Engines move from 2 races to 3!
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/...races-in-2009/

FIA has new rules for Stewards (which requires them to be observers at another race before being stewards at their race).
http://www.f1technical.net/news/11023

Nick Koan · 2008-11-10, 10:06 AM

Force India cuts deal with Ferrari (breaking contract, which will cost them) to sign a technical partnership with McLaren-Mercedes.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72063

And don't call it a b-team.

Nick Koan · 2008-11-13, 11:37 AM

Williams was the first to show off their 2009 spec Aero

sybir · 2008-11-13, 12:38 PM

I kinda dig it.

sperry · 2008-11-13, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sybir

I kinda dig it.

The narrow rear wing looks a little odd, but I actually think the car looks better than the current gobbledy-gook of wings. Looks more the the mid-90's F1 cars.

Nick and I were just talking about it and noticed that there's quite the open space under the rear wing and it appears no lower plane... that, plus the lack of all the mini wings on the fuselage, should really let a lot of air that's coming over the top of the body through to provide downforce for the front wing of a following car. Hopefully that will really help cars keep up while drafting in the corners and help passing.

skimonkey30 · 2008-11-17, 10:06 AM

looking more and more like no north america race in 2009

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...17090505.shtml

sperry · 2008-11-17, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skimonkey30

looking more and more like no north america race in 2009

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...17090505.shtml

I was stoked to hear that there were some new negotiations, but I guess Canada has officially given up because Bernie is a greedy prick.

Nick Koan · 2008-11-17, 10:14 AM

Last I heard, the manufacturers were all pulling for a new US race, but putting it on one of the coasts, to attract a bigger audience (and charge a premium I'm guessing too).

Hopefully that'll make 2010.

sperry · 2008-11-17, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Last I heard, the manufacturers were all pulling for a new US race, but putting it on one of the coasts, to attract a bigger audience (and charge a premium I'm guessing too).

Hopefully that'll make 2010.

I tell you, the very best idea for a new US GP is a night street race on the Vegas strip.

skimonkey30 · 2008-11-17, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

I tell you, the very best idea for a new US GP is a night street race on the Vegas strip.

yes it is.

MattR · 2008-11-17, 01:59 PM

Oh hell yes, that would be awesome.

skimonkey30 · 2008-11-17, 03:11 PM

holy ugly batman

sperry · 2008-11-17, 03:28 PM

I hate the narrow rear wing, but not a lot. I love the rest of the car though! Reminds me of the high-nose mid/late 90's cars before they got all tarted up with winglets everywhere!

MattR · 2008-11-17, 05:34 PM

The smaller wings make the cars look "special". I don;t like it.

Nick Koan · 2008-11-18, 09:17 AM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72176

Christian Klien says the new BMW is the worst looking ever.

sperry · 2008-11-18, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72176

Christian Klien says the new BMW is the worst looking ever.

He must be talking about the 3 series.

skimonkey30 · 2008-11-18, 10:53 AM

uhh WTF

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18091013.shtml

Nick Koan · 2008-11-18, 10:57 AM

Yeah, I didn't think he was serious about that medal shit.

But, in a way, it makes some sense. It rewards winning and getting on the podium above reliability.

sperry · 2008-11-18, 11:13 AM

Think of the medals as a 10,000 points for 1st, 100 points for second, 1 point for third.

With less points positions, the championship will almost certainly have several contenders still alive for the championship win at the last race, so it should be more exciting in an "anyone can win it" sort of way. But it certainly removes any reward for being consistent, unless you're consistently winning.

What I'm most afraid of is seeing lots of 2nd place or 4th place drivers doing really dumb shit on the last lap to the 1st or 3rd place cars, taking them both out of the race.

MPREZIV · 2008-11-18, 12:08 PM

Link's not working for me... My question is: For example, say there's 17 races in a season. Driver A takes 9 golds, and Driver B takes the remaining 8. Driver C takes ALL 17 silvers (drivers A&B were 3rd or lower, if not first). Who gets second in the championship? The dude with the second highest number of golds, or the dude with ALL the silvers?

sperry · 2008-11-18, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Link's not working for me... My question is: For example, say there's 17 races in a season. Driver A takes 9 golds, and Driver B takes the remaining 8. Driver C takes ALL 17 silvers (drivers A&B were 3rd or lower, if not first). Who gets second in the championship? The dude with the second highest number of golds, or the dude with ALL the silvers?

Dude with second highest golds. Think of all the drivers as being tied for 1st with 0 points. Whoever has the most wins is the champion, if they're tied on wins, they look at 2nds next, then thirds... etc.

Or you can thing of the points I listed earlier: 10,000 for 1st, 100 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd... no matter how many 2nds or 3rds you score, you can't equal the points for one 1st place finish.

2008-11-03, 12:14 PM	#1
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	F1 Silly Season 2009! 2008's been over with for a whole day now... who's got rumors for '09? I see Seb Loeb is getting more F1 seat time, this time in a RedBull at a full test session: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...03193612.shtml __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2008-11-05, 08:24 AM	#2
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/n...for_%2709.html Alono and Piquet to stay on at Renault. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-05, 08:58 AM	#3
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Piquet stays? Wow. I was incredibly unimpressed by his performance all season. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2008-11-05, 08:59 AM	#4
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Tell me about it. They must have seen something at the end, although I don't know what. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-05, 10:11 AM	#5
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Not driver related, but new regs for 09! Engines move from 2 races to 3! http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/...races-in-2009/ FIA has new rules for Stewards (which requires them to be observers at another race before being stewards at their race). http://www.f1technical.net/news/11023 __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-10, 10:06 AM	#6
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Force India cuts deal with Ferrari (breaking contract, which will cost them) to sign a technical partnership with McLaren-Mercedes. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72063 And don't call it a b-team. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-13, 11:37 AM	#7
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Williams was the first to show off their 2009 spec Aero __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-13, 12:38 PM	#8
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	I kinda dig it. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2008-11-17, 10:06 AM	#10
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	looking more and more like no north america race in 2009 http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...17090505.shtml __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2008-11-17, 10:14 AM	#12
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Last I heard, the manufacturers were all pulling for a new US race, but putting it on one of the coasts, to attract a bigger audience (and charge a premium I'm guessing too). Hopefully that'll make 2010. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-17, 01:59 PM	#15
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Oh hell yes, that would be awesome. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2008-11-17, 03:11 PM	#16
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	holy ugly batman __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir Last edited by skimonkey30; 2008-11-17 at 03:14 PM.

2008-11-17, 03:28 PM	#17
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	I hate the narrow rear wing, but not a lot. I love the rest of the car though! Reminds me of the high-nose mid/late 90's cars before they got all tarted up with winglets everywhere! __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2008-11-17, 05:34 PM	#18
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	The smaller wings make the cars look "special". I don;t like it. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2008-11-18, 09:17 AM	#19
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72176 Christian Klien says the new BMW is the worst looking ever. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-18, 10:53 AM	#21
skimonkey30 Mr. Romano Real Name: David Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 932 Car: 2013 F150 Class: Mellow Yellow Rubbin's Racin	uhh WTF http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18091013.shtml __________________ That would be Mr. Dipshit to you.........sir

2008-11-18, 10:57 AM	#22
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Yeah, I didn't think he was serious about that medal shit. But, in a way, it makes some sense. It rewards winning and getting on the podium above reliability. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2008-11-18, 11:13 AM	#23
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Think of the medals as a 10,000 points for 1st, 100 points for second, 1 point for third. With less points positions, the championship will almost certainly have several contenders still alive for the championship win at the last race, so it should be more exciting in an "anyone can win it" sort of way. But it certainly removes any reward for being consistent, unless you're consistently winning. What I'm most afraid of is seeing lots of 2nd place or 4th place drivers doing really dumb shit on the last lap to the 1st or 3rd place cars, taking them both out of the race. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2008-11-18, 12:08 PM	#24
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Link's not working for me... My question is: For example, say there's 17 races in a season. Driver A takes 9 golds, and Driver B takes the remaining 8. Driver C takes ALL 17 silvers (drivers A&B were 3rd or lower, if not first). Who gets second in the championship? The dude with the second highest number of golds, or the dude with ALL the silvers? __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

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