Cosworth rebranding K&N intakes? - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

knucklesplitter · 2010-09-29, 11:22 AM

I heard that Cosworth was coming out with some Subaru intakes, so I went to check them out. They looked awfully familiar.

Here is the "Cosworth" 02-07 WRX/STI intake:

And here if the K&N (that has been out for years):

<Instruction sheet here with exact same exploded drawing as Cosworth>

Here is Cosworth's 2008+ WRX/STI intake:

And here is the K&N:

Instruction sheet here

The Cosworth has a different MAF sensor location on this one, but in my experience the K&N sensor location is better. I don't know why they had K&N change it for them. Maybe there was some interference with the Cozzy FMIC or something.

knucklesplitter · 2010-09-29, 11:28 AM

Cosworth EVO-X intake:

K&N EVO-X intake:

Instruction sheet

sperry · 2010-09-29, 12:38 PM

You know... if they've used them on their test cars and been happy... why not resell them with the Cosworth name and a blue filter for twice as much? They won't make any money off the informed consumer who will just buy the original, but they'll make money off the guys that buy anything with the Cosworth name on it, and the R&D/manufacturing costs are nil.

rory_a · 2010-09-29, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

You know... if they've used them on their test cars and been happy... why not resell them with the Cosworth name and a blue filter for twice as much? They won't make any money off the informed consumer who will just by the original, but they'll make money off the guys that buy anything with the Cosworth name on it, and the R&D/manufacturing costs are nil.

Oh the threads I've read regarding eBay exhausts, intakes, ROTAs, etc that so strongly argued with this mentality (which I share)....

JoeWRX · 2010-09-29, 12:47 PM

Blue filters and cosworth stickers add 10-15 more hp than k&n.... I thought everyone knew that?

knucklesplitter · 2010-09-29, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

You know... if they've used them on their test cars and been happy... why not resell them with the Cosworth name and a blue filter for twice as much? They won't make any money off the informed consumer who will just by the original, but they'll make money off the guys that buy anything with the Cosworth name on it, and the R&D/manufacturing costs are nil.

True, but it just doesn't seem very Cosworthian, ie. over-engineered. These intakes max out the MAF Sensor at about 350whp on the WRX/STI and 450whp on the EVO-X. You don't need a $15k Cosworth long block to make 350whp, that's for sure. What intakes would they recommend for cars that actually need their other hi-$$$$ parts?

The Cosworth pricing is close to the K&N pricing, maybe $20 more.

knucklesplitter · 2010-09-29, 01:07 PM

By the way, K&N has taken over marketing and (I think) manufacturing of AEM DryFlowfilters.

sperry · 2010-09-29, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

True, but it just doesn't seem very Cosworthian, ie. over-engineered. These intakes max out the MAF Sensor at about 350whp on the WRX/STI and 450whp on the EVO-X. You don't need a $15k Cosworth long block to make 350whp, that's for sure. What intakes would they recommend for cars that actually need their other hi-$$$$ parts?

The Cosworth pricing is close to the K&N pricing, maybe $20 more.

Send them some samples of KSpeed gear. Maybe they'll be happy to slap their name on your parts instead?

rory_a · 2010-09-29, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeWRX

Blue filters and cosworth stickers add 10-15 more hp than k&n.... I thought everyone knew that?

I'm not sure if they're using WRB or Cusco Blue, but either way I'm sure it's good for more than just 15hp

MattR · 2010-09-29, 05:04 PM

Cosworth - "...8" Lift...tuckin 19's"

Double Phister · 2010-09-30, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rory_a

Oh the threads I've read regarding eBay exhausts, intakes, ROTAs, etc that so strongly argued with this mentality (which I share)....

There's a difference between rebranding the same product vs. attempting to copy someone elses design.

knucklesplitter · 2014-07-26, 08:03 AM

Now Perrin (of all companies) is rebranding an intake too:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2015-sti...ir-intake.html

cody · 2014-07-28, 04:07 PM

Why "of all companies"? Is Perrin supposed to be cooler than that or something?

sperry · 2014-07-28, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

Why "of all companies"? Is Perrin supposed to be cooler than that or something?

They were just well known for doing lots of in-house design for Subaru stuff AFAIK. Lots of their stuff has been ripped off by others.

cody · 2014-07-28, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

They were just well known for doing lots of in-house design for Subaru stuff AFAIK. Lots of their stuff has been ripped off by others.

Gotcha. Kinda like Grimmspeed?

2010-09-29, 11:22 AM	#1
knucklesplitter EJ205 Real Name: Matt Taylor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cousin-Fck, Carolina Posts: 1,475 Wish in one hand and sht in the other...	Cosworth rebranding K&N intakes? I heard that Cosworth was coming out with some Subaru intakes, so I went to check them out. They looked awfully familiar. Here is the "Cosworth" 02-07 WRX/STI intake: And here if the K&N (that has been out for years): <Instruction sheet here with exact same exploded drawing as Cosworth> Here is Cosworth's 2008+ WRX/STI intake: And here is the K&N: Instruction sheet here The Cosworth has a different MAF sensor location on this one, but in my experience the K&N sensor location is better. I don't know why they had K&N change it for them. Maybe there was some interference with the Cozzy FMIC or something.

2010-09-29, 12:38 PM	#3
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	You know... if they've used them on their test cars and been happy... why not resell them with the Cosworth name and a blue filter for twice as much? They won't make any money off the informed consumer who will just buy the original, but they'll make money off the guys that buy anything with the Cosworth name on it, and the R&D/manufacturing costs are nil. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints? Last edited by sperry; 2010-09-29 at 01:25 PM.

2010-09-29, 05:04 PM	#10
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Cosworth - "...8" Lift...tuckin 19's" __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2014-07-28, 04:07 PM	#13
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Why "of all companies"? Is Perrin supposed to be cooler than that or something? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2010-09-29, 11:28 AM	#2
knucklesplitter EJ205 Real Name: Matt Taylor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cousin-Fck, Carolina Posts: 1,475 Wish in one hand and sht in the other...	Cosworth EVO-X intake: K&N EVO-X intake: Instruction sheet

2010-09-29, 12:47 PM	#5
JoeWRX EJ22 Real Name: Joe Gardner Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: No-Town Posts: 134 Car: C63 AMG oops...	Blue filters and cosworth stickers add 10-15 more hp than k&n.... I thought everyone knew that?

2010-09-29, 01:07 PM	#7
knucklesplitter EJ205 Real Name: Matt Taylor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cousin-Fck, Carolina Posts: 1,475 Wish in one hand and sht in the other...	By the way, K&N has taken over marketing and (I think) manufacturing of AEM DryFlowfilters.

2014-07-26, 08:03 AM	#12
knucklesplitter EJ205 Real Name: Matt Taylor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cousin-Fck, Carolina Posts: 1,475 Wish in one hand and sht in the other...	Now Perrin (of all companies) is rebranding an intake too: http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2015-sti...ir-intake.html