Thoughts on new Sti? - Page 2 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

doubleurx · 2012-08-21, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Sweet!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Nick, should be a good occasion to have a get together. Maybe we can go drag-race some semis on I80

like the good old days

Definitely, as long as we can do it in a construction zone, I'm good!

sperry · 2012-08-22, 04:32 PM

I'll bring the arm-length burritos.

MattR · 2012-08-22, 05:53 PM

Legendary!

doubleurx · 2012-08-22, 07:01 PM

Mmm,! Burritos!

sybir · 2012-08-22, 09:44 PM

Welcome back to the fray, Nick! Let me know when you need wheels

rory_a · 2012-08-22, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Now, if aftermarket reflashes are able to use the si drive knob to actually switch full boost/timing/fuel maps, that would be awesome, but I'm pretty sure all you can do is remap the throttle pedal curve.

From what I've read, that's the case. You can set three different maps. Basically a clean Cobb AP. If not, it's a worthless contraption

rory_a · 2012-08-22, 10:09 PM

Congrats! I'm jelly. I'd want a plasma blue or satin white.

doubleurx · 2012-08-23, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sybir

Welcome back to the fray, Nick! Let me know when you need wheels

Thanks Aaron,

Oddly enough, my first thing I'll need to buy are some snow tires! Skipping the whole performance snows this time and getting the real snow tires (Blizzack WS70). Maybe that will bring us a real winter!

doubleurx · 2012-08-23, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rory_a

Congrats! I'm jelly. I'd want a plasma blue or satin white.

Thanks, those were my favorite as well.

k-dogg39 · 2012-08-23, 07:30 AM

Congrats I like those colors as well.

sperry · 2012-08-24, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx

Thanks Aaron,

Oddly enough, my first thing I'll need to buy are some snow tires! Skipping the whole performance snows this time and getting the real snow tires (Blizzack WS70). Maybe that will bring us a real winter!

I've got a set of ws70s on my outback. I'm less than impressed... awesome in the snow, but uninspiring in the dry. Granted, down in Reno we have much less snow, but I'd much rather have a set of wintersports or something a little more high performance in the dry.

Actually... of you're interested in my ws70s I would probably sell them and get some wintersports... 245 or 235 17's (id have to check) thought they might be a little tall for an sti because they're for an outback, but they would give the sti a little more ground clearance of they dont rub.

doubleurx · 2012-08-24, 08:06 AM

Thanks for the offer Scott, but I'll be running them on the stock wheels (18's). I know they are mushy in the dry as the tread blocks are really soft. They are remarkable in the snow and morning ice up here though. On the 335xi I had them and they were really capable. I have LM60's on the Turbo, which are good in snow, but awful on hardpack snow and ice. I had a couple of interesting sideways moments on the way to work last year. No snow donkeys to blame, just me. Literally was coming around a corner where a friend was at a stop sign. He called me later, saying..."nice drifting". Little did he know I nearly had a load in my pants, and little to no control over the car.

doubleurx · 2012-10-12, 05:39 PM

Flying out tomorrow to pick it up! I'll post pics when I get back. I'm giving a presentation at the Sketchup conference in Boulder, then drive back. A little nervous about the presentation, but pretty stoked about the STI!

MattR · 2012-10-13, 06:13 AM

Congrats, sounds like a nice drive too. Looking forward to some pictures..

knucklesplitter · 2012-10-15, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

si Drive is pretty useless. All it does is remap the drive by wire throttle, so on lower settings, it's literally the same as just not pressing the throttle as far down. That's it. In fact, on my OBXT, putting it in "intelligent" mode results in the worst gas mileage.

Now, if aftermarket reflashes are able to use the si drive knob to actually switch full boost/timing/fuel maps, that would be awesome, but I'm pretty sure all you can do is remap the throttle pedal curve. As such, I'd be happier with another cup holder or the bigger seat heater buttons than si drive. At the least, they could have made it a 3way switch on the steering wheel instead of taking up the center console with a big knob.

There are SI Drive tables for boost target and throttle mapping. Timing and fuel have "cruise" and "non-cruise" tables but these are not selected by the SI Drive.

sperry · 2012-10-15, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

There are SI Drive tables for boost target and throttle mapping. Timing and fuel have "cruise" and "non-cruise" tables but these are not selected by the SI Drive.

I guess boost target is kinda useful. Just put a 1:1 throttle map on all 3 SI Drive settings, then have like a 12 psi low map, 16 psi standard map, and an 18 psi scramble map.

Actually... would that work? Or is "I" mode different. It's supposed to be adaptive according to the marketing literature from Subaru, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

knucklesplitter · 2012-10-15, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by A1337STI

sorry i was talking about the 2014 WRX/STI which won't be an impreza... ya the 2013 will be teh 2012 with 1 digit different in the VIN and most likely nothing else changed.

Latest "buzz" is that the 2014 WRX will get a turbo version of the direct-injection 2.0L that now comes in the BRZ, etc. And the '14 STI may be late in the model year (if at all) and who knows what it will be? There is definite talk of separating the WRX (and STI) from the Impreza linup.

knucklesplitter · 2012-10-15, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

I guess boost target is kinda useful. Just put a 1:1 throttle map on all 3 SI Drive settings, then have like a 12 psi low map, 16 psi standard map, and an 18 psi scramble map.

Actually... would that work? Or is "I" mode different. It's supposed to be adaptive according to the marketing literature from Subaru, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

"I" mode is no more "adaptive" than the others, or than anything ever on the USDM WRX+, as far as I know.

If I were in charge at Subaru (ha!), this is what I would do:

"Teh Gas Mizerz" Mode:
- Some kind of low-flow air pump to keep wastegate open at all times and kill boost as much as possible (patent pending?)
- Closed/Open Loop transition table to keep it in closed loop for as long as safe.
- Fuel and timing tables to match.
- Some ghey-ass throttle mapping to satisfy gas-mileage standards even when driven by a C-average 17yo rich kid with a lead foot, a little dick, and/or a Napoleon complex (flat-brim hat not included).

"Intelligent" Mode:
- A 12psi target boost map that tapers off the turbo at higher RPM (to let it live longer).
- Closed/Open Loop transition tables to keep it in closed loop for as long as safe (at this boost mapping).
- Fuel and timing table tables to match.
- Cable-throttle-like throttle mapping.

"Sport" Mode:
- A 16psi target boost map that tapers off the turbo at higher RPM (to let it live longer).
- Closed/Open Loop transition tables to keep it in closed loop for as long as safe (at this boost mapping).
- Fuel and timing table tables to match.
- Cable-throttle-like throttle mapping.

"Tuner" Mode:
- A 20psi target boost map with minimal boost taper at higher RPM (and this turbo can handle it even here at 4500', albeit with reduced life...)
- Transition to open loop above 0psi.
- Fuel and timing table tables to match.
- Cable-throttle-like throttle mapping.
- Launch control and flat-foot shifting.
- Signed waver, worldwide registration, and warranty is null and void.

doubleurx · 2012-10-21, 09:16 AM

At 200 miles, I hit a ginormous tumbleweed in Colorado. With a few hours on the polisher, I got them all out. I thought for sure there would be a dent, given the noise. Instead it was about six 5 foot long scratches on the drivers side.

Very different from the '05. Feels more solid. Still in break in mode which will be over this week. No snow tires in hand though. Should have ordered them before I left!

doubleurx · 2012-10-21, 04:29 PM

Another view

MattR · 2012-10-21, 05:37 PM

That is Hot, love that color. Great car man.

sybir · 2012-10-24, 09:58 AM

Nice!

I actually have a set of the TRmotorsport wheels like you have on the Turbo, in 18x8.5 ET48, 5x114, if you want to keep from killing the stockers in winter (they're actually very pretty).

Nick Koan · 2012-10-24, 10:05 AM

Looks beautiful man.

ScottyS · 2012-10-24, 02:07 PM

Mmmmm, wouldn't it be cool if the tails were smoked? Looks like a great ride though.

sperry · 2012-10-24, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyS

Mmmmm, wouldn't it be cool if the tails were smoked? Looks like a great ride though.

I'm still a fan of just the solid red overlays.

2012-08-22, 04:32 PM	#27
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	I'll bring the arm-length burritos. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2012-08-22, 05:53 PM	#28
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Legendary! __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-08-22, 07:01 PM	#29
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Mmm,! Burritos! __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-22, 09:44 PM	#30
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	Welcome back to the fray, Nick! Let me know when you need wheels __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2012-08-24, 08:06 AM	#37
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Thanks for the offer Scott, but I'll be running them on the stock wheels (18's). I know they are mushy in the dry as the tread blocks are really soft. They are remarkable in the snow and morning ice up here though. On the 335xi I had them and they were really capable. I have LM60's on the Turbo, which are good in snow, but awful on hardpack snow and ice. I had a couple of interesting sideways moments on the way to work last year. No snow donkeys to blame, just me. Literally was coming around a corner where a friend was at a stop sign. He called me later, saying..."nice drifting". Little did he know I nearly had a load in my pants, and little to no control over the car. __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-08-22, 10:09 PM	#32
rory_a EJ251 Real Name: Rory Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 607 Car: Miata, shit. Class: Out Classed NOW WITH 100% LESS STI!	Congrats! I'm jelly. I'd want a plasma blue or satin white.

2012-08-23, 07:30 AM	#35
k-dogg39 Little Slugger Real Name: Kevin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Lake Tahoe, NV Posts: 777 Car: 05 WRB STI Wagon/00 BRP GC Sedan Class: 39 TSM I'm not crazy, I'm just passionate!	Congrats I like those colors as well.

2012-10-12, 05:39 PM	#38
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Flying out tomorrow to pick it up! I'll post pics when I get back. I'm giving a presentation at the Sketchup conference in Boulder, then drive back. A little nervous about the presentation, but pretty stoked about the STI! __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-10-13, 06:13 AM	#39
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Congrats, sounds like a nice drive too. Looking forward to some pictures.. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-10-21, 09:16 AM	#44
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Here she is At 200 miles, I hit a ginormous tumbleweed in Colorado. With a few hours on the polisher, I got them all out. I thought for sure there would be a dent, given the noise. Instead it was about six 5 foot long scratches on the drivers side. Very different from the '05. Feels more solid. Still in break in mode which will be over this week. No snow tires in hand though. Should have ordered them before I left! Attached Thumbnails __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-10-21, 04:29 PM	#45
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Another view Attached Thumbnails __________________ Does it have a motor..............Does it have a motor?

2012-10-21, 05:37 PM	#46
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	That is Hot, love that color. Great car man. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2012-10-24, 09:58 AM	#47
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	Nice! I actually have a set of the TRmotorsport wheels like you have on the Turbo, in 18x8.5 ET48, 5x114, if you want to keep from killing the stockers in winter (they're actually very pretty). __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2012-10-24, 10:05 AM	#48
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Looks beautiful man. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2012-10-24, 02:07 PM	#49
ScottyS EJ205 Real Name: It is real! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: RNO Posts: 2,367 Car: 1998 Impreza Wagon, 1991 Legacy Turbo Sedan, 2003 Nissan Xterra Class: tvFree Yes, I'll fix it for you. Again.	Mmmmm, wouldn't it be cool if the tails were smoked? Looks like a great ride though. __________________ "Trend Number One is that people aren't getting any smarter." Dogbert

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