Shouldn't this be on Ripley's ??

[STIwish]

Hahaha, I dont think u'll have to worry about it any time soon, as I am lucky to even do 65 mph now. Ill say this though, there are a lot crazier people than me out there, and they are the ones you have to watch out for.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by STIwish

Hahaha, I dont think u'll have to worry about it any time soon, as I am lucky to even do 65 mph now. Ill say this though, there are a lot crazier people than me out there, and they are the ones you have to watch out for.

Sure there's lots of worse drivers than us, but that doesn't excuse our behavior...

Plus, if some idiot I don't know kills themselves, it's not as big a deal as losing one of our own. Ask Nate and Scott what it's like.

[tysonK]

I see a special 20/20 investigation on this in the near future.

outta control.

It looks like the rift between people adamant against Street Racing and People whom feel they should/can risk it and or safely get away with it will be much bigger and heated than any other auto import debate.

[BOO]

Bgger than Gang Violence? Questionable.. :wink:

Seriously though, Sadly it happens more than we wished it woudnt but peopled do get shot or killed right outside their door step..
Another scenario: You can be driving a few feet from your driveway and BAM!!! a car rams into you(yours). When its your time.. There is nothing you can do to stop it.. I understand that by drivingh like a crazy maniac on the streets you INCREASE this risk not only to you but to the people around you....Just like smoking,Drinking, using drugs .. killing yourselves faster than if you would not doing it .. I mean.. Look at Dale Earndheart Sr.
That was a controlled Enviroment.. I do feel for his family but that didnt stop his son from Continuing his racing Career did it? Again .. I must stress THAT was in a controlled environment..

[tysonK]

Originally Posted by BOO

Bgger than Gang Violence? Questionable.. :wink:

I was talking about auto import debate(see post), is gang violence an import debate also, I guess reno is not cool enough.

[BOO]

You know whats SAD about that Tyson?
that "USUALLY" when we all think about gang violence we thik of a hispanic or a black person shooting someone else who uses their colors .. well that was then this is NOW... Gang violence and Imports go hand in hand.. you win a race... controlled or not (Enviroment) there are sore losers out there that kill because they lost the race or because they felt you cheated to win... ..

[tysonK]

wow.

I wasn't informed on those kinds of violent import confrontations.

I guess I assume everyone is all Talk.

[MattR]

Originally Posted by tysonK

wow.

I wasn't informed on those kinds of violent import confrontations.

I guess I assume everyone is all Talk.

No, there are plenty of instances where people are way more than just talk...THAT is probabaly why law enforcement is keeping a closer and closer eye on street racing.

[Kevin M]

The biggest flaw in street racing is simple- it's competitive. If you're out there trying to beat somebody, you're not gonna give two shits about public safety if it means losing. Backing off is not an option. This is totally opposite to taking a quick trip down your favorite backroad, by yourself, because hardly anybody feels they have to push it 10/10ths at all costs when nobody is looking. It's easier to back off when conditions dictate. I know I personally can run a few of my local roads nearly as fast as they can be run, but I rarely do so. That's because I am always driving as fast as the current set of conditions allow rather than the limits of car/driver ability. In short, my driving philosophy is this: Never let your balls get bigger than your skills.

[tysonK]

Lately I've been geting people flying by me on McCarron when I'm returning movies back down to Baring Blvd from my house. I swear I line up or get dudes tailgating me badly. So a few times I see them as they are literally going 60 past me. I gave them a PRE-Ricer Fly By: I blink my 4-ways as they rush by me so they can see them. I think I am going to quit doing that in case some dude takes it the wrong way and follows me to Hollywood Video.

[MikeSTI]

well I would have to say to worst part of street racing is if you dont know who your racing. I dont like to take chances and if I dont know you then theres no point in racing you becuase I could care less about winning against someone who is just going to tell there friends they won anyways and if they take it bad its not getting shot that I worry about but what if they want to tear up my car like what happened to David. I dont know about everyone else but I idea of cleaning spay paint out of my car doesnt sound to appealing.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

I know I personally can run a few of my local roads nearly as fast as they can be run, but I rarely do so. That's because I am always driving as fast as the current set of conditions allow rather than the limits of car/driver ability.

Not to talk smack to you, Kevin, just to reinforce the point - I know at least a few of us here could successfully take roads we know flat out at 10/10ths, and probably get away with it 90% of the time... but it's the other 10% that will kill you. The other 10% holds the patch of water or black ice you don't see, or the deer that jumps out into the road (a real possibility, at least on a lot of the roads I've driven on in the bay area), or the smacktard driving the other way that drifts a little too close to your lane, or the kid playing in the road around the next sharp bend, etc. etc.. If you don't have some traction left in reserve for these emergencies, the results won't be pretty. I've driven in the hills at 10/10ths a few times in the past and, fortunately, gotten away with it... I don't do it anymore. Call it an increase in my intelligence/balls ratio.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Not to talk smack to you, Kevin, just to reinforce the point - I know at least a few of us here could successfully take roads we know flat out at 10/10ths, and probably get away with it 90% of the time... but it's the other 10% that will kill you. The other 10% holds the patch of water or black ice you don't see, or the deer that jumps out into the road (a real possibility, at least on a lot of the roads I've driven on in the bay area), or the smacktard driving the other way that drifts a little too close to your lane, or the kid playing in the road around the next sharp bend, etc. etc.. If you don't have some traction left in reserve for these emergencies, the results won't be pretty. I've driven in the hills at 10/10ths a few times in the past and, fortunately, gotten away with it... I don't do it anymore. Call it an increase in my intelligence/balls ratio.

I missed the "smack talk"... you guys just said the same thing?

And Segio, as far as Earnhardt's death... I'm not sure the point you're making. If you're saying that "you can get killed in a controlled environment, so why not risk it on the street" (which I dont' think is what you're saying), then you're wrong. Racing on a track is *far* safer than

If you look at the history of all the wrecks at Daytona, there are hundreds of cases of people walking away from much worse accidents. Dale's death is generally regarded as a "fluke" or "freak" incident. He didn't actually hit the wall that hard (the impact vector was approximately 35 mph IIRC). The problem was a seatbelt failure caused by Dale's insistance that he sit very low in the car in a reclined position. Even though he'd been warned that his seating position wasn't a safe as it could be, he refused to change. Much like his refusal to switch to a close-faced helmet. In the accident they found that the loose seat belt allowed him to rotate such that the back of his head hit the steering wheel, and since his helmet was open faced it rotated forwards, exposing the base of his skull. The impact there severed his spinal column at the base of the brain, killing him instantly (and thankfully for him painlessly). There were many links in the chain that led up to Dale's death... and it'd highly unlikely that anyone will ever die in a wreck that same way.

Meanwhile, on the street you hear the same story over and over about how some kid lost control into a street light, or crashed into cross traffic, or went over the double yellow into oncoming traffic. Since there's no sanctioning body or rules to street racing, no one learns from incidents or enforces rules... as they say, if you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it. The only way to learn from street racing is to learn it's too dangerous and give it up.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by sperry

I missed the "smack talk"... you guys just said the same thing?

Maybe I didn't say it well; my point was that I was agreeing with him.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by sperry

There were many links in the chain that led up to Dale's death... and it'd highly unlikely that anyone will ever die in a wreck that same way.

I thought Kyle Petty died from the same injury?

[AtomicLabMonkey]

It was Adam Petty, Kyle is still driving as far as I know; Kenny Irwin also died of basilar skull fracture at the same track as Adam. Their two wrecks had much higher impact energies though as far as I could tell.. hung throttles at the end of a straight at Loudon speedway.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

It was Adam Petty, Kyle is still driving as far as I know; Kenny Irwin also died of basilar skull fracture at the same track as Adam. Their two wrecks had much higher impact energies though as far as I could tell.. hung throttles at the end of a straight at Loudon speedway.

Petty and Irwin both his the wall at like 100+ mph... that's much worse than Dale's 35mph wreck.

The injury was the same as Dale's, but their's was from extreme whiplash, which has been addressed by the Hans Device and soft walls. Dale's was from actually smacking the back of his head on the steering wheel.

[Kevin M]

I feel dumber for saying Kyle instead of Adam than I do for not knowing the details of Dale's death. I was even watching Nascar somewhat regularly when those happened.

[BOO]

So Now you see that there has been more than just Dale .. Reason why i said Dale is because His Name came to my mind ... But thru the years People have been killed in parking lots walking with their groceries to their car, walking their dogs.. and other activities you wouldnt think people would get killed for .. so dont dismiss the "JUST BECAUSE" its in a controlled Environment situations.. Hell... People Get killed in Kenya from getting run over by elephants !!! Like i said ... when its your time ..

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by BOO

Like i said ... when its your time ..

Yeah, but isn't it funny how the interval before "your time" arrives is directly inverse to how often you do stupid things?

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Boy, this thread has sure turned away from the original topic...

[MikeSTI]

hey street raceing is bad i think we all agree you cant live your life by how fast you beat the car beside you, there are way more important things to do with ones time, on another note sence we dont have many woman on this thread you ever notice how many deaths there are a year due to woman drivers.........a lot more then the street racers numbers im sure but death is not an exceptible outcome for street raceing if it was i would just challange people to Russian-Roulet

[dknv]

Originally Posted by MikeSTI

... you ever notice how many deaths there are a year due to woman drivers.........a lot more then the street racers numbers im sure

how many?
vs. how many due to male drivers? or to 16-21 y/o drivers? or SUV drivers?

(Art probably has access to stats on this.)

[MikeSTI]

yes Art please post the stats but only the ones that involve deaths ohh and for female drivers we might want 25 and up

[ArthurS]

I'll dig some up when I get back the office.