Señor Cheap Bastard's "Black Friday" thread. - Page 4 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

van · 2009-12-01, 04:20 AM

Is Dean laughing at me for being too cheap?

Dean · 2009-12-01, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by van

Is Dean laughing at me for being too cheap?

More for being unrealistic.

cody · 2009-12-01, 09:32 AM

What do you intend to use the NAS for?

van · 2009-12-01, 09:37 AM

Porn

and to share pictures, music, etc with my wifes laptop without having to use thumb drives.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by van

Porn and to share pictures, music, etc with my wifes laptop without having to use thumb drives.

Didn't you just get a large HD? Just share it and she can access it just like a NAS. I can help if you need it.

cody · 2009-12-01, 09:52 AM

Well, duh.

But are you going to connect it to your wireless router or something?

Cheaper alternatives (assuming preexisting equipment) to a NAS would be:

1. An external HDD that you connect to one laptop at a time.
2. An external HDD that you connect to a wireless router with a USB port ("NAS ready router")
3. A computer networked to your router to function as a file server

Option 3 covers many configurations including simply networking the computers together. If they share the same router and they're all Windows, you can share folders (or entire hard drives, exernal or internal) on each computer and keep all the files you might like to share in those shared folders. If you have enough HDD space, you can even back up to eachother's computers over the network. You can stream video from one computer to the other, etc.

Just making sure you really need a NAS.

ScottyS · 2009-12-01, 10:01 AM

A true NAS is really almost over-complicating things unless there is a dire need for real-time redundancy and several different people that will be working off of it.

The router with a USB is probably the best way to go, and hopefully would have the highest access speed. Simple is good on the home network.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 10:11 AM

USB is slow, and router HW is typically slow as well. Share an internal or eSATA drive from a PC should be much faster, even an older IDE desktop drive will outperform a USB router drive.

sperry · 2009-12-01, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

USB is slow, and router HW is typically slow as well. Share an internal or eSATA drive from a PC should be much faster, even an older IDE desktop drive will outperform a USB router drive.

USB is certainly not too slow if they're just using it for sharing pictures and MP3s or something. It's not like they're booting windows off it.

Plus using the router as their NAS means they can turn off their PCs when not in use instead of leaving one on all the time as the file-share.

cody · 2009-12-01, 10:56 AM

I believe that USB2 will not bottleneck 802.11G or fast ethernet (100MBps). However, it will bottleneck gigabyte ethernet (1000MBps) (as most IDE drives even bottleneck gigabyte) and possibly 802.11 Draft N. Not a deal breaker, just something to consider. G is plenty fast to share pics, music, and even most video.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 11:17 AM

Good points. USB and router HW are only slow relatively speaking for local or Gb wired access really, though I have seen slow performance from similar drives when shared USB vs. IDE/SATA disks on the same system. Wireless to a notebook, there should be no difference.

I'd just hate to see somebody buy a USB enabled router or a NAS if they already have a desktop that is on most of the time.

van · 2009-12-01, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

2. An external HDD that you connect to a wireless router with a USB port ("NAS ready router")

I want to do this, will google when I get home.
I'm sure I can get an external HD for <$100.

cody · 2009-12-01, 11:51 AM

That's a great way to go (for previously stated reasons), but only a few specific routers have that feature.

van · 2009-12-01, 11:55 AM

I have this
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Rout...Specifications

cody · 2009-12-01, 12:02 PM

That router does not appear to have the external HDD functionality. You can shop for a new one that does and sell that one (or maybe use it as a wirless bridge to connect your PS3 wirelessly and get a faster connection for things like streaming video from Tversity, etc.) or just get the NAS if you don't like the simple Workgroup file sharing idea.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 12:07 PM

Found a NAS enclosure that is good to at least a 750GB drive for only $30. Might be way cheaper than a USB router.

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.a...&ID=106473&P=F

Otherwise they are up in the $60 range which is why I laughed in the first place for on with a drive for $80.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by van

I have this
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Rout...Specifications

Doesn't look like it has USB...

cody · 2009-12-01, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Found a NAS enclosure that is good to at least a 750GB drive for only $30. Might be way cheaper than a USB router.

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.a...&ID=106473&P=F

Otherwise they are up in the $60 range which is why I laughed in the first place for on with a drive for $80.

Sweet Deal! It's even gigabit and SATA. That won't be any faster than megabit connected to Van's specific router, but it's still sweet.

sperry · 2009-12-01, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

Found a NAS enclosure that is good to at least a 750GB drive for only $30. Might be way cheaper than a USB router.

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.a...&ID=106473&P=F

Otherwise they are up in the $60 range which is why I laughed in the first place for on with a drive for $80.

Quote:

Sorry, this product is no longer available.
But tell Us How Many You Need and We will try to find this sold out product!

Awesome deal! $30.99 for something that doesn't exist anymore!

Dean · 2009-12-01, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Awesome deal! $30.99 for something that doesn't exist anymore!

I swear it wasn't when I linked to it.

Oh well, back to the $60 range unfortunately.

Dean · 2009-12-01, 06:27 PM

You can go crazy bidding on different ebay options, or Buy it Now...

IDE drive NAS case $33

Dual IDE NAS case $35

There are also a number of twin port USB<->Ethernet adapters which claim to support NAS functions for around $40.

khail19 · 2009-12-01, 06:30 PM

I just bought a 250 gb Hitachi USB external drive at Costco for $40. http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-SimpleDrive-Portable-SDM-250RW/dp/B002CMEIUM If you need more space they had other drives for $60 and up.

Edit: Sorry, I missed the part about your router not having USB.

Dean · 2009-12-04, 06:48 AM

For some reason I found this very amusing...

Amazon has Saved by the Bell Season 1&2, Season 3&4 or Season 5 DVD Set for $10

But wait!!! It gets better!!!

Buy all three and get Free Super Saver Shipping.

sybir · 2009-12-04, 07:45 AM

OK, Screech

cody · 2009-12-07, 11:32 AM

Polk Audio DB651 6.5-Inch Car Speakers $34.99/pair + FS

2009-12-01, 09:32 AM	#78
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	What do you intend to use the NAS for? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-12-01, 09:52 AM	#81
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Well, duh. But are you going to connect it to your wireless router or something? Cheaper alternatives (assuming preexisting equipment) to a NAS would be: 1. An external HDD that you connect to one laptop at a time. 2. An external HDD that you connect to a wireless router with a USB port ("NAS ready router") 3. A computer networked to your router to function as a file server Option 3 covers many configurations including simply networking the computers together. If they share the same router and they're all Windows, you can share folders (or entire hard drives, exernal or internal) on each computer and keep all the files you might like to share in those shared folders. If you have enough HDD space, you can even back up to eachother's computers over the network. You can stream video from one computer to the other, etc. Just making sure you really need a NAS. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-12-01, 10:01 AM	#82
ScottyS EJ205 Real Name: It is real! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: RNO Posts: 2,367 Car: 1998 Impreza Wagon, 1991 Legacy Turbo Sedan, 2003 Nissan Xterra Class: tvFree Yes, I'll fix it for you. Again.	A true NAS is really almost over-complicating things unless there is a dire need for real-time redundancy and several different people that will be working off of it. The router with a USB is probably the best way to go, and hopefully would have the highest access speed. Simple is good on the home network. __________________ "Trend Number One is that people aren't getting any smarter." Dogbert

2009-12-01, 10:11 AM	#83
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	USB is slow, and router HW is typically slow as well. Share an internal or eSATA drive from a PC should be much faster, even an older IDE desktop drive will outperform a USB router drive. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-12-01, 10:56 AM	#85
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I believe that USB2 will not bottleneck 802.11G or fast ethernet (100MBps). However, it will bottleneck gigabyte ethernet (1000MBps) (as most IDE drives even bottleneck gigabyte) and possibly 802.11 Draft N. Not a deal breaker, just something to consider. G is plenty fast to share pics, music, and even most video. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo. Last edited by cody; 2009-12-01 at 11:01 AM.

2009-12-01, 04:20 AM	#76
van SECCS Brewmeister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: on the edge of a marsh Posts: 1,451	Is Dean laughing at me for being too cheap?

2009-12-01, 09:37 AM	#79
van SECCS Brewmeister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: on the edge of a marsh Posts: 1,451	Porn and to share pictures, music, etc with my wifes laptop without having to use thumb drives.

2009-12-01, 11:17 AM	#86
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Good points. USB and router HW are only slow relatively speaking for local or Gb wired access really, though I have seen slow performance from similar drives when shared USB vs. IDE/SATA disks on the same system. Wireless to a notebook, there should be no difference. I'd just hate to see somebody buy a USB enabled router or a NAS if they already have a desktop that is on most of the time. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-12-01, 11:51 AM	#88
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	That's a great way to go (for previously stated reasons), but only a few specific routers have that feature. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-12-01, 11:55 AM	#89
van SECCS Brewmeister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: on the edge of a marsh Posts: 1,451	I have this http://www.netgear.com/Products/Rout...Specifications

2009-12-01, 12:02 PM	#90
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	That router does not appear to have the external HDD functionality. You can shop for a new one that does and sell that one (or maybe use it as a wirless bridge to connect your PS3 wirelessly and get a faster connection for things like streaming video from Tversity, etc.) or just get the NAS if you don't like the simple Workgroup file sharing idea. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-12-01, 12:07 PM	#91
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Found a NAS enclosure that is good to at least a 750GB drive for only $30. Might be way cheaper than a USB router. http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.a...&ID=106473&P=F Otherwise they are up in the $60 range which is why I laughed in the first place for on with a drive for $80. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-12-01, 06:27 PM	#96
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	You can go crazy bidding on different ebay options, or Buy it Now... IDE drive NAS case $33 Dual IDE NAS case $35 There are also a number of twin port USB<->Ethernet adapters which claim to support NAS functions for around $40. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids... Last edited by Dean; 2009-12-01 at 06:32 PM.

2009-12-01, 06:30 PM	#97
khail19 EJ205 Real Name: Khail Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,769 Car: 2016 VW GTI Meets? We have meets?	I just bought a 250 gb Hitachi USB external drive at Costco for $40. http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-SimpleDrive-Portable-SDM-250RW/dp/B002CMEIUM If you need more space they had other drives for $60 and up. Edit: Sorry, I missed the part about your router not having USB.

2009-12-04, 06:48 AM	#98
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	For some reason I found this very amusing... Amazon has Saved by the Bell Season 1&2, Season 3&4 or Season 5 DVD Set for $10 But wait!!! It gets better!!! Buy all three and get Free Super Saver Shipping. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2009-12-04, 07:45 AM	#99
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	OK, Screech __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2009-12-07, 11:32 AM	#100
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Polk Audio DB651 6.5-Inch Car Speakers $34.99/pair + FS __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.