STi endlinks (DUH!) - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

NevadaSTi · 2006-11-08, 12:46 PM

I somehow busted the driver's side rear swaybar endlink and bent the other side. OOPS. I got a price for the stock ones at $111.05 each. OUCH.

So, here is my question. What class would I have to run if I replaced the stock endlinks with some perrin or cusco endlinks? I don't think they would give me a handling advantage, except for the fact that maybe I wouldn't break an endlink during an autocross event.

Kevin M · 2006-11-08, 12:56 PM

They definitely give you a handling advantage unfortunately. You're stuck with stock links, but you should be able to find some secondhand easily enough.

NevadaSTi · 2006-11-08, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

you should be able to find some secondhand easily enough.

Anyone got any then?

sperry · 2006-11-08, 01:20 PM

BTW: the '05+ STI endlinks are actually very good solid endlinks. They just tend to be the weak link in the suspension and bend under frequent hard use.

Dean · 2006-11-08, 02:09 PM

Rear endlinks put you in SP.

Kevin M · 2006-11-08, 02:13 PM

So do fronts.

Dean · 2006-11-08, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

So do fronts.

No, they don't. Front Sway bars, and endlinks are legal in stock.

Kevin M · 2006-11-08, 02:50 PM

I just checked the rulebook; endlinks are not mentioned.

13.7.A For front anti-roll (sway) bars:
1. Substitution, addition or removal of any front anti-roll bars is permitted.
2. Substitution, addition or removal of anti-roll bars may serve no other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar.
3. The use of any bushing material is permitted.
4. No modification to the body, frame, or other components to accomodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution is allowed, except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.

Unless there was a FastTrack somewhere this season that added them, endlinks are not mentioned and are therefore not eligible for modification in Stock classes. I have heard that mounts are considered part of the sway bar, perhaps that's what you are thinking of?

sperry · 2006-11-08, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

3. The use of any bushing material is permitted.

Stocks always allowed an unlimited front swaybar and the endlinks are considered part of the bar.

Kevin M · 2006-11-08, 03:21 PM

13.7.A.3 would permit replacement of the bushings in the endlink, but not the use of Perrin/Whiteline etc. complete links, unless there's been a clarification or FasTrack somewhere along the way that says so. While I would agree that allowing sway bars should also include endlnks to be changed, I don't interpret the rule to do so the way it's worded in the 2006 rulebook .pdf.

Dean · 2006-11-08, 03:31 PM

Endlinks are part of the swaybars. Have been forever from a rules perspective.

Kevin M · 2006-11-08, 03:36 PM

Alrighty then, if you guys say so.

MattR · 2006-11-08, 09:37 PM

I'm running stock rear endlinks with the bar set on soft...pretty much the best feel I've had from the rear bar. Bummer you bent yours, that's usually a product of having a lot of travel

100_Percent_Juice · 2006-11-08, 09:48 PM

I like to travel

A1337STI · 2006-11-09, 12:22 PM

Bummer,

I'm a bit shocked. I'de think if anyone would break suspension bits on their STI it would be me.

oh also STU allows you to change suspension bits, but its a horrible PAX for the STI compared to TBSP/ BSP

sperry · 2006-11-09, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1337STI

Bummer,

I'm a bit shocked. I'de think if anyone would break suspension bits on their STI it would be me.

oh also STU allows you to change suspension bits, but its a horrible PAX for the STI compared to TBSP/ BSP

It's not all that shocking. I would say that nearly every single SECCS STI that's been tracked has bent their stock endlinks. They're (intentionally) the weak point in the suspension. They work fine though until they fail... i.e. they're not soft plastic w/ rubber bushings. They're solid endlinks with spherical bearings, so they have great feedback, but if you hit a curb too hard at the track, they bend. Or if you lower the car, you're almost guarenteed to bend 'em over the control arm.

Also, in T/BSP, front and rear swaybars are unlimited. This is only a problem for the T/AS folks.

A1337STI · 2006-11-09, 03:57 PM

Aaaah. makes sense.

qksubi · 2006-11-09, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1337STI

Bummer,

I'm a bit shocked. I'de think if anyone would break suspension bits on their STI it would be me.

oh also STU allows you to change suspension bits, but its a horrible PAX for the STI compared to TBSP/ BSP

I have gone through two sets end links I use perrin now!

NevadaSTi · 2006-11-13, 02:14 PM

Well, the dealership is going to see if they can replace them under my warranty. I have figured pout how I busted them. It happened when I drove into a drive was with a drainage curb in it. It made a bang sound which I thought was my recently replaced strut. It happened again a couple weeks later when I drove into the AM PM Arco gas station on the north side of carson city.

After that I was wondering why my car felt so loose. o_O I didn't even notice the problem until I was changing out rims so that I could swap snow tires.

Kevin M · 2006-11-13, 02:37 PM

You mean the car was pushing.

Broken endlinks make your car less loose...

Joeyy · 2006-11-13, 03:45 PM

Yep, and the ski jump at Squaw had nothing to do with it. Ha

NevadaSTi · 2006-11-14, 03:14 PM

I mean lose as in my back end rolls more.

Kevin M · 2006-11-14, 03:20 PM

Ah, you're right then.

and by "right" I mean "totally not using that word for what that means. "

MikeK · 2006-11-14, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

I mean lose as in my back end rolls more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

and by "right" I mean "totally not using that word for what that means. "

and by "that word" you mean "loose"

Kevin M · 2006-11-14, 03:54 PM

I give the benefit of the doubt for typos; I won't throw that particular stone from my glass house.

2006-11-08, 12:46 PM	#1
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	STi endlinks (DUH!) I somehow busted the driver's side rear swaybar endlink and bent the other side. OOPS. I got a price for the stock ones at $111.05 each. OUCH. So, here is my question. What class would I have to run if I replaced the stock endlinks with some perrin or cusco endlinks? I don't think they would give me a handling advantage, except for the fact that maybe I wouldn't break an endlink during an autocross event. __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-11-08, 12:56 PM	#2
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	They definitely give you a handling advantage unfortunately. You're stuck with stock links, but you should be able to find some secondhand easily enough. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-08, 01:20 PM	#4
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	BTW: the '05+ STI endlinks are actually very good solid endlinks. They just tend to be the weak link in the suspension and bend under frequent hard use. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2006-11-08, 02:09 PM	#5
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Rear endlinks put you in SP. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2006-11-08, 02:13 PM	#6
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	So do fronts. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-08, 02:50 PM	#8
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	I just checked the rulebook; endlinks are not mentioned. 13.7.A For front anti-roll (sway) bars: 1. Substitution, addition or removal of any front anti-roll bars is permitted. 2. Substitution, addition or removal of anti-roll bars may serve no other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar. 3. The use of any bushing material is permitted. 4. No modification to the body, frame, or other components to accomodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution is allowed, except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are not permitted. Unless there was a FastTrack somewhere this season that added them, endlinks are not mentioned and are therefore not eligible for modification in Stock classes. I have heard that mounts are considered part of the sway bar, perhaps that's what you are thinking of? __________________ FWD is the new AWD Last edited by Kevin M; 2006-11-08 at 02:53 PM.

2006-11-08, 03:21 PM	#10
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	13.7.A.3 would permit replacement of the bushings in the endlink, but not the use of Perrin/Whiteline etc. complete links, unless there's been a clarification or FasTrack somewhere along the way that says so. While I would agree that allowing sway bars should also include endlnks to be changed, I don't interpret the rule to do so the way it's worded in the 2006 rulebook .pdf. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-08, 03:31 PM	#11
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	Endlinks are part of the swaybars. Have been forever from a rules perspective. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2006-11-08, 03:36 PM	#12
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Alrighty then, if you guys say so. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-08, 09:37 PM	#13
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	I'm running stock rear endlinks with the bar set on soft...pretty much the best feel I've had from the rear bar. Bummer you bent yours, that's usually a product of having a lot of travel __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2006-11-08, 09:48 PM	#14
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	I like to travel

2006-11-09, 12:22 PM	#15
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Bummer, I'm a bit shocked. I'de think if anyone would break suspension bits on their STI it would be me. oh also STU allows you to change suspension bits, but its a horrible PAX for the STI compared to TBSP/ BSP __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2006-11-09, 03:57 PM	#17
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Aaaah. makes sense. __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2006-11-13, 02:14 PM	#19
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	Well, the dealership is going to see if they can replace them under my warranty. I have figured pout how I busted them. It happened when I drove into a drive was with a drainage curb in it. It made a bang sound which I thought was my recently replaced strut. It happened again a couple weeks later when I drove into the AM PM Arco gas station on the north side of carson city. After that I was wondering why my car felt so loose. o_O I didn't even notice the problem until I was changing out rims so that I could swap snow tires. __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-11-13, 02:37 PM	#20
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	You mean the car was pushing. Broken endlinks make your car less loose... __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-13, 03:45 PM	#21
Joeyy i can has kart? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,228	Yep, and the ski jump at Squaw had nothing to do with it. Ha

2006-11-14, 03:14 PM	#22
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	I mean lose as in my back end rolls more. __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-11-14, 03:20 PM	#23
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Ah, you're right then. and by "right" I mean "totally not using that word for what that means. " __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-11-14, 03:54 PM	#25
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	I give the benefit of the doubt for typos; I won't throw that particular stone from my glass house. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

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