BUSTED!!!!

[MPREZIV]

SO, INS has come up and down Kietzke, and shut down every fast food joint with illegal immigrants working there! Wendy's is shut down, McD's, and I believe Carl's as well!

And my GF just told me she thinks they got Super Burrito on Plumb too...

[sperry]

That sucks. Poor Canadians.

[MattR]

No way! I hope they don't come to my work! Oh snaps!

[Dean]

Whooo. I thought they were shipping Cory back to Italy for a moment.

So are Nick and Mike hiding under their desks at IGT?

[NevadaSTi]

La Migra! La Migra!

[MPREZIV]

Wait, it was BK, not Carl's. In fact, Carl's is PACKED since there's no other places open on the block!


No, I'm not headed to Italia... unfortunately...

[JonnydaJibba]

I watched a news report on K.O.L.O. (not fucking Kolo, wtf is that shit anyway), and they said that ICE was specifically targeting "Latino Americans," and they were not sure if they were after any other types of illegal immigrants. I thought it was funny that they made a point about who they are targeting like you are gonna see an illegal Russian in Mickey D's.

[khail19]

Super Burrito was still open at 11:00am, but there was only like two people working. I heard shortly after that they closed the dining room and were only doing drive thru orders.

[Nick Koan]

Yeah, I read a report of RGJ that said they got 40+ people today.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...m/breakingnews

[sperry]

Originally Posted by Nick Koan

Yeah, I read a report of RGJ that said they got 40+ people today.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...m/breakingnews

Awesome, so that's likely 40 families that are fucked 'cause mommy or daddy are going back "home". Meanwhile, McDonalds will keep on steamrolling the income in as soon as they hire the next batch of illegals.

I think McDonalds should have to pay to sponsor these folks they hired illegally for citizenship and pay them a fare wage from now until they're back in the US working legally.

[JonnydaJibba]

Why? Why pay a criminal? I see your point about their families, but that's not McDonalds fault. Well not completely. MickDees should be fined, punished, whatever for employing them.

People can't keep blaming everybody else for this problem except for the people that are breaking the law. It's pretty cut and dry: if you aren't a citizen, you can't work. If you hire illegals, you are breaking the law. Or are you at the point where it's only 40 people and it won't make a difference in the huge scheme of things?

[100_Percent_Juice]

Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

MickDees should be fined, punished, whatever for employing them.

+1


You have to play to win... and you have to win... to play.

[Double Phister]

If it's a franchise then the owner should be punished not corporate.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

Why? Why pay a criminal? I see your point about their families, but that's not McDonalds fault. Well not completely. MickDees should be fined, punished, whatever for employing them.

People can't keep blaming everybody else for this problem except for the people that are breaking the law. It's pretty cut and dry: if you aren't a citizen, you can't work. If you hire illegals, you are breaking the law. Or are you at the point where it's only 40 people and it won't make a difference in the huge scheme of things?

Hook, line, and sinker!

But seriously... first, yeah it's only 40 people... so this "crackdown" will have virtually ZERO effect on the problem of illegal immigration, but it will have a MASSIVE effect on the 40 families that are getting fucked with.

Second, immigrants come to this country illegally because there are jobs here... jobs that are being provided illegally. Get rid of the employers that willfully break the law, you get rid of the demand.

But more to the point, America *needs* illegal labor. Our economy needs people that are willing to work for cheap, especially in agriculture. I have a problem with the "you wanna come here, you better play by the rules" people that think this is a black and white issue. The system intentionally looks the other way on a regular basis to ensure we have the labor force here that prevents every farm in the US from being out-sourced. (As it is, even with illegal labor, we can barely compete with the price of fruits and vegetables being ground in foreign countries and shipped here.) Then, occasionally, the INS "cracks down" on illegals to show that we're fighting to uphold the laws... it's all political, makes no real difference in the "problem", and only hurts the poor families that are busted.

Now, I'm not saying we should just open up the borders... 'cause then the supply of labor would exceed the demand and the last thing we want is a bunch of unemployed migrant workers (which would indeed be a drain on public services). But we certainly should have a *legal* program that allows migrant workers to be here on an easy-to-get pass, and we should grandfather current illegals into this system (aka amnesty for current illegals).

You get, say 2 years to work w/o a social security number and pay no taxes... so you're able to make a better life for your family. After those 2 years you're expected to either return to your country of origin (where you'll be allowed to get on the list for a new 2 year pass), or you can apply for permanent residency and go through the whole deal we're requiring right now for everyone. While in the US on the migrant worker pass, you are not eligible for social programs (since you don't pay taxes), and your employers are only required to pay you a lesser minimum wage (cheap labor != serfs!)

Or something like that...

Granted it won't fix the problem entirely, but it at least recognizes that the US economy requires this sort of labor force, and that the people in this labor force aren't criminals because they want to break the law, but because the risk is far lower than the reward of being able to provide for your family.

Hell, I'd be happy with leaving the current system alone, if people would just admit the hypocrisy inherent in the system.

[100_Percent_Juice]

were not going to start talking about this again are we?

[sperry]

Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

were not going to start talking about this again are we?

Actually, the ninja I hired should be at your house shortly to force you to post in this thread.

[JonnydaJibba]

Very well put. But that's what gets me every time I think about this. We do NEED them to sustain the current lifestyle we have. Booting em all out would definitely put a massive strain on this country, but I think some kind of immigration reform is in order.

Maybe we should do a hostile takeover of the Mexican gov't and make it work for the people instead of being corrupt. Not quite sure how that would work though...

[sybir]

Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

I thought it was funny that they made a point about who they are targeting like you are gonna see an illegal Russian in Mickey D's.

Only in Rancho.......heh.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

Very well put. But that's what gets me every time I think about this. We do NEED them to sustain the current lifestyle we have. Booting em all out would definitely put a massive strain on this country, but I think some kind of immigration reform is in order.

Maybe we should do a hostile takeover of the Mexican gov't and make it work for the people instead of being corrupt. Not quite sure how that would work though...

GW Bush called. He wants you to stop reading his diary.

[100_Percent_Juice]

GW Bush called and asked me what the W in GW meant. I didn't have an answer for him.


New Policy should be that everyone in this country who is illegal yet are working a damn job, gets to stay and become a citizen. Anyone taking advantage of the government and sitting at home having unprotected sex and popping babies out and smoking crack and parking their shit cars on our streets and cutting in line at our movies and trashing their FEMA trailers and buying dubs rather then paying taxes and letting their front yard turn into a parking lot *breath* weather they are white, black, yellow, or brown gets sent to mexico and can never come back until they get some work ethic.

[MattR]

Sounds like the Peppermill got hit hard as well.

[Forgotten]

Originally Posted by MattR

Sounds like the Peppermill got hit hard as well.

I believe it. When I worked at the Peppermill, I must have seen at least 150 "questionable" employees every shift. I figure if they really got caught, they lost give or take 500 employees.

[wrxkidid]

time to go job hunting.

[Joeyy]

They will all be back in a week.

[cody]

Originally Posted by sperry

You get, say 2 years to work w/o a social security number and pay no taxes... so you're able to make a better life for your family.

I like everything about your idea except the no taxes thing. These people will need to put their kids in school, drive on the street to their job, utilize police and fire, and generally enjoy the "fruits". Why shouldn't they pay some taxes?