Shaky Steering wheel? - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 09:20 AM

So I got the new wheels and tires on the other day and noticed 60mph and above the steering wheel get's shaky. Well I just the wheels rebalanced thinking that was the problem, and it's still slightly shaky.. Any ideas of what it could be besides being off balance?

austin

A1337STI · 2011-04-06, 09:56 AM

Could still be an out of balance wheel. I've had a buddy who got new tires and rims, but they were not balanced right. he went back and it got better, but still an issue, he went back again and found out that garage had found an issue with their tire balance, rebalanced him and the 3rd time was the charm.

I've also had wobbles due to , wheel bearing, steering rack, inner and or outer tie rods, and they have all felt like an out of balance wheel (more or less) i've also had a wheel that was falling off and it felt out of balance too .. =\ meh

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 10:07 AM

When I took it back he said he re calibrated the machine.. it's a bit better. but still shaky. It didn't do it til i put these wheels on. I guess it's all a guessing game now..

knucklesplitter · 2011-04-06, 10:10 AM

Poor-quality/defective tire.

Wheel run-out or warped or bent.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

Poor-quality/defective tire.

Wheel run-out or warped or bent.

He says the wheel and tire weren't out of round.. I guess i have some searching to do.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 10:25 AM

Also possible that I could have forgot to put 1 of the hubcentric rings in.. Just thought of that.

knucklesplitter · 2011-04-06, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GusGus91

He says the wheel and tire weren't out of round.. I guess i have some searching to do.

A tire can be perfectly round and still cause shake and/or other issues. I spent 12 years at Michelin and a big part of my job was was improving tire uniformity.

Try changing the wheels front to back and see if it changes or stays the same.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knucklesplitter

A tire can be perfectly round and still cause shake and/or other issues. I spent 12 years at Michelin and a big part of my job was was improving tire uniformity.

Try changing the wheels front to back and see if it changes or stays the same.

Ok thanks matt. I'll try that.

A1337STI · 2011-04-06, 03:38 PM

Or try putting someone else;s set of tires on your car and see if you still get shaking / vibrations.

the front to back is a lot easier though.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-06, 05:12 PM

Well it wasn't happening the day before I put the new ones on.. But I'll try the front to back first.

I took a spirited run up Geiger this afternoon, and after that the shake seemed slightly less worse.. Idk how that works out though.

khail19 · 2011-04-06, 07:46 PM

Sometimes a tire needs to be unmounted, rotated on the wheel and remounted. Like Matt said, even if a tire is perfectly round it might still be slightly heavier in spots. If your shop doesn't have a road force balancer, you might try finding one who does.

A1337STI · 2011-04-07, 08:25 AM

Could also be built up dirt,mud, and or debris I know after rally crosses (esp if there's any mud) I'll get some really bad shaking. Probably not your situation but a quick peek won't hurt any

sperry · 2011-04-07, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1337STI

Could also be built up dirt,mud, and or debris I know after rally crosses (esp if there's any mud) I'll get some really bad shaking. Probably not your situation but a quick peek won't hurt any

You'd hope that even the most retarded shop tech wouldn't try to balance, then rebalance a mud coated wheel.

A1337STI · 2011-04-07, 09:43 AM

good point. though if its just one tiny block of mud stuck , they might miss it. my winter rims hide mud behind the spokes really good, even after $2 at a self spray , with all the time spent on rims i've missed a lump or two..

GusGus91 · 2011-04-07, 09:54 PM

It was for sure not mud. the wheels barely had any brake dust on them. I had just put them on. Brand new Wheels, Brand new tires.

When I get back in the country I'll have to figure it out...

AtomicLabMonkey · 2011-04-11, 05:11 PM

Maybe your steering wheel fluid is low.

sperry · 2011-04-11, 07:45 PM

Actually, a common problem with the svx is a bad o-ring between the power steering reservoir and pump. The pump ends up sucking air and causes vibration in the steering. But that only shakes when turning, and it's not very speed sensitive.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-11, 09:26 PM

So i put the other set of wheels and tires on that I have, and the problem was gone.. so I think it's the wheels. Another guy on nasioc PM'd me and said he's having the same problems with his DPT's.

sybir · 2011-04-11, 10:29 PM

FWIW, I never had problems with DPT's, thought I was running a "correct fitment" set as opposed to herrafrush.

Rotate back to front one side at a time (I hope you labelled when you pulled them off or this could take a while, lol) and see if it changes, that will tell you more.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-11, 10:34 PM

My wheels aren't "herra frush". they're barely even flush with the car. But everybody likes things differently on their car..
Anyways, The other guy that's having this problem too has 18x8.5. So I dont know if it has to do with them being a "uncorrect fitment". But yea I did label them. haha i didnt wanna have to keep switching them.

sybir · 2011-04-12, 11:15 AM

Oh, I wasn't talking shit

Just saying I had no issues with a 17x8 with a 245, so wasn't sure if there was something with a scrub radius change from a lower offset wheel, etc.

GusGus91 · 2011-04-12, 07:27 PM

oh ok. lol

No there is no clearance problems, and I dont have to run stupid amounts of camber that are gonna wear the tires out. It's reasonable alignment, and no rubbing issues. Cory just rolled the fenders and that's all that had to be done.

A1337STI · 2011-04-13, 08:34 AM

Is it possible to get a tire taken off, and have the wheel guy do a test balance on the rim with no tire just to see how far its off , or maybe there's just 1 that's way off ? if so i would hope the manufacturer will replace it (and maybe kick you some money for tire mounts / dismounts)

? wishful thinking ?

GusGus91 · 2011-04-13, 08:13 PM

Yea I could have him do it. I'll try that when i get back in the country. Im just gathering ideas now.

100_Percent_Juice · 2011-04-14, 12:28 AM

Why are you being such a pussy? Just deal with it.

2011-04-06, 09:20 AM	#1
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	Shaky Steering wheel? So I got the new wheels and tires on the other day and noticed 60mph and above the steering wheel get's shaky. Well I just the wheels rebalanced thinking that was the problem, and it's still slightly shaky.. Any ideas of what it could be besides being off balance? austin __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-06, 09:56 AM	#2
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Could still be an out of balance wheel. I've had a buddy who got new tires and rims, but they were not balanced right. he went back and it got better, but still an issue, he went back again and found out that garage had found an issue with their tire balance, rebalanced him and the 3rd time was the charm. I've also had wobbles due to , wheel bearing, steering rack, inner and or outer tie rods, and they have all felt like an out of balance wheel (more or less) i've also had a wheel that was falling off and it felt out of balance too .. =\ meh __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-04-06, 10:07 AM	#3
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	When I took it back he said he re calibrated the machine.. it's a bit better. but still shaky. It didn't do it til i put these wheels on. I guess it's all a guessing game now.. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-06, 10:25 AM	#6
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	Also possible that I could have forgot to put 1 of the hubcentric rings in.. Just thought of that. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-06, 03:38 PM	#9
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Or try putting someone else;s set of tires on your car and see if you still get shaking / vibrations. the front to back is a lot easier though. __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-04-06, 10:10 AM	#4
knucklesplitter EJ205 Real Name: Matt Taylor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cousin-Fck, Carolina Posts: 1,475 Wish in one hand and sht in the other...	Poor-quality/defective tire. Wheel run-out or warped or bent.

2011-04-06, 05:12 PM	#10
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	Well it wasn't happening the day before I put the new ones on.. But I'll try the front to back first. I took a spirited run up Geiger this afternoon, and after that the shake seemed slightly less worse.. Idk how that works out though. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-06, 07:46 PM	#11
khail19 EJ205 Real Name: Khail Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,769 Car: 2016 VW GTI Meets? We have meets?	Sometimes a tire needs to be unmounted, rotated on the wheel and remounted. Like Matt said, even if a tire is perfectly round it might still be slightly heavier in spots. If your shop doesn't have a road force balancer, you might try finding one who does.

2011-04-07, 08:25 AM	#12
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Could also be built up dirt,mud, and or debris I know after rally crosses (esp if there's any mud) I'll get some really bad shaking. Probably not your situation but a quick peek won't hurt any __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-04-07, 09:43 AM	#14
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	good point. though if its just one tiny block of mud stuck , they might miss it. my winter rims hide mud behind the spokes really good, even after $2 at a self spray , with all the time spent on rims i've missed a lump or two.. __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-04-07, 09:54 PM	#15
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	It was for sure not mud. the wheels barely had any brake dust on them. I had just put them on. Brand new Wheels, Brand new tires. When I get back in the country I'll have to figure it out... __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-11, 05:11 PM	#16
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Maybe your steering wheel fluid is low. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2011-04-11, 07:45 PM	#17
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Actually, a common problem with the svx is a bad o-ring between the power steering reservoir and pump. The pump ends up sucking air and causes vibration in the steering. But that only shakes when turning, and it's not very speed sensitive. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2011-04-11, 09:26 PM	#18
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	So i put the other set of wheels and tires on that I have, and the problem was gone.. so I think it's the wheels. Another guy on nasioc PM'd me and said he's having the same problems with his DPT's. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-11, 10:29 PM	#19
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	FWIW, I never had problems with DPT's, thought I was running a "correct fitment" set as opposed to herrafrush. Rotate back to front one side at a time (I hope you labelled when you pulled them off or this could take a while, lol) and see if it changes, that will tell you more. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2011-04-11, 10:34 PM	#20
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	My wheels aren't "herra frush". they're barely even flush with the car. But everybody likes things differently on their car.. Anyways, The other guy that's having this problem too has 18x8.5. So I dont know if it has to do with them being a "uncorrect fitment". But yea I did label them. haha i didnt wanna have to keep switching them. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-12, 11:15 AM	#21
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	Oh, I wasn't talking shit Just saying I had no issues with a 17x8 with a 245, so wasn't sure if there was something with a scrub radius change from a lower offset wheel, etc. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2011-04-12, 07:27 PM	#22
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	oh ok. lol No there is no clearance problems, and I dont have to run stupid amounts of camber that are gonna wear the tires out. It's reasonable alignment, and no rubbing issues. Cory just rolled the fenders and that's all that had to be done. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-13, 08:34 AM	#23
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	Is it possible to get a tire taken off, and have the wheel guy do a test balance on the rim with no tire just to see how far its off , or maybe there's just 1 that's way off ? if so i would hope the manufacturer will replace it (and maybe kick you some money for tire mounts / dismounts) ? wishful thinking ? __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time!

2011-04-13, 08:13 PM	#24
GusGus91 EJ205 Real Name: Austin Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Reno, NV Posts: 1,406 Car: 2006 WRB WRX TR, 2008 LR STI Class: Too classy Dont sweat the petty... Pet the sweaty.	Yea I could have him do it. I'll try that when i get back in the country. Im just gathering ideas now. __________________ "Like" me on facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/AP-Cre...2196449?v=wall _______________ 06 WRX w/ 6MT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 09 chicane yellow 370z

2011-04-14, 12:28 AM	#25
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	Why are you being such a pussy? Just deal with it. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

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