Coils vs springs debacle - Page 2 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

A1337STI · 2009-05-07, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

I hate the marketing language everyone uses. Guys, your cars come with "coil-over" struts from the factory. That is what the standard MacPherson strut design consists of. "Coil-over" is a general term, simply meaning the spring is located co-axially with the strut/shock.

What everyone sells as a "coil-over" kit is just a strut/shock with a threaded body, and springs/perches/etc, so that ride-height is easily adjustable.

+1 to that.

K-sports makes a tarmac version of their coilovers (same housing stiffer springs, different damper rates i believe) $1200 ish ? My pillow ball mounts are just now starting to make noise, and i've driven on them soo hard. Car has been jumped at least a dozen times.

Cory's and Kevin's coil overs are awesome, btw maybe look into them?

If i can find a good enough deal i may be buying SPT-pink STI coil overs (only using the dampers) I'll have some STI pink springs and top hats you could buy off me

maybe mate those with the tokico Dspecs ? (not sure if they would have enough dampening for those)

WRX06TR · 2009-05-07, 01:01 PM

What do Cory and Kevin run?

The D-specs should be able to handle pinks. RCE designed the yellow springs after the pinks but with a firmer spring rate. I haven't heard anything wrong about the D-specs, yet, but it does seem like a lot of work for a rigged up suspension, plus it is close to KW price.

cody · 2009-05-07, 01:04 PM

Cory and Kevin Run Tein Flex coilovers, as does Nick H on his LGT.

k-dogg39 · 2009-05-07, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

We'll have to wait until after the fender rolling meet I'm thinking of having with Aaron's roller this Summer, but that would be awesome if I could test fit yours. Are they on 17X8's?

Yup. 17x8 +45 RPF1's. I have pretty minimal roll on my fenders as well with no rubbing issues...

And yes I am on Flex's, very happy with them!

cody · 2009-05-07, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by k-dogg39

Yup. 17x8 +45 RPF1's. I have pretty minimal roll on my fenders as well with no rubbing issues...

And yes I am on Flex's, very happy with them!

Nice, that's exactly the size/offset wheel I hope to run with 245/40/17's some day. Let me know if you ever want to sell them. I would definitely like to test fit them after I roll my fenders.

Kevin M · 2009-05-07, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

Cory and Kevin Run Tein Flex coilovers, as does Nick H on his LGT.

Other Kevin is running RaceComp Tarmac IIs on his RS, and ran them on his wagon before that.

Kevin M · 2009-05-07, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cody

Nice, that's exactly the size/offset wheel I hope to run with 245/40/17's some day. Let me know if you ever want to sell them. I would definitely like to test fit them after I roll my fenders.

If you want, you can stop by and try on the Volks as a "worst case" scenario. 245/40 RE-01Rs on 17x8.5 +52. I have tons of spacers, so you could use them to figure out exactly what your maximum offset would be to fit a similar setup.

cody · 2009-05-07, 03:57 PM

Yah, I bet 3-10mm of spacers would be necessary given that width and offset.

And don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person. It's creepy.

Kevin M · 2009-05-07, 10:44 PM

But it's funny when he blames Jesus for his blown motor, right?

cody · 2009-05-08, 10:19 AM

Wat?

Kevin M · 2009-05-08, 11:46 AM

Old Chris Rock reference, sort of.

sperry · 2009-05-11, 08:44 AM

Hey, would you look at this: http://www.seccs.org/forums/showthre...952#post133952

cody · 2009-05-11, 09:25 AM

What's the difference between Super Street and Flex?

MPREZIV · 2009-05-11, 11:18 AM

If I recall correctly, SS doesn't come with top-mounts, (I.E. no pillowball mounts, no camber plates. You just re-use your stockers, or find some others.) and doesn't have as much fine tuning available for the dampeners, (16 way vs. 32 or something on the Flex's). I also think the SS kit does not have separate ride height and spring pre-load adjustment. Flex does.

WRX06TR · 2009-05-12, 08:59 PM

Hey, so what do you think of these?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1759601

ZEAL B6 coilovers with 20k on them...Coming off Dan Avon's badass black GT35R bugeye. For $950?

Dean · 2009-05-12, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR

Hey, so what do you think of these?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1759601

ZEAL B6 coilovers with 20k on them...Coming off Dan Avon's badass black GT35R bugeye. For $950?

Would not be high on my list.

WRX06TR · 2009-05-12, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Would not be high on my list.

Why not? I thought ZEAL was pretty respectable...

Dean · 2009-05-12, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR

Why not? I thought ZEAL was pretty respectable...

There are more mature, better respected companies and better engineered products IMHO. And that price is a tad high.

Kevin M · 2009-05-12, 10:15 PM

First I've heard of Zeal Function products being "underengineered." Anything specific you can cite Dean?

WRX06TR · 2009-05-12, 10:30 PM

Huh...I've been browsing NASIOC and haven't heard anything bad about ZEAL...I don't think the price is too bad. 950 doesn't seem too unfair plus I was going to offer him 850 and drive to Cali and go pick them up. And 20K; does that mean they will need to be rebuilt?

sperry · 2009-05-12, 10:43 PM

Zeal makes decent stuff, but it's overpriced for what you get because it's so "mad tight JDM" like Cusco, Gready, HKS, etc. Personally, I'd rather have those used Tein Super Streets for a fair price (like $600 IMO) than Zeals. It's not like you're going to be racing in a JCTC grand prix any time soon in your WRX.

WRX06TR · 2009-05-12, 11:06 PM

Yeah...but Sedona has those Tein SS for sale for 900

IDK guess prices are hit and miss..

sperry · 2009-05-13, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WRX06TR

Yeah...but Sedona has those Tein SS for sale for 900

IDK guess prices are hit and miss..

So offer $600, and wait until he realizes he's asking to get Tein Flex prices for Super Streets.

Or wait 'till a set comes up on NASIOC at a lower price. Either way, buying Zeals when you've already stated you don't really need the adjustability is a waste of money. Plus, they'll probably clunk on you due to the pillowball top mounts.

Dean · 2009-05-13, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin M

First I've heard of Zeal Function products being "underengineered." Anything specific you can cite Dean?

Didn't say they were ""underengineered"", just basically that there is better stuff out there and they would not be on my preference list.

I am about bang or your buck, and don't think they are great in that respect.

WRX06TR · 2009-05-13, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

So offer $600, and wait until he realizes he's asking to get Tein Flex prices for Super Streets.

Or wait 'till a set comes up on NASIOC at a lower price. Either way, buying Zeals when you've already stated you don't really need the adjustability is a waste of money. Plus, they'll probably clunk on you due to the pillowball top mounts.

True, I guess I was just looking at prices. Figuring I was going to spend close to 1k so why not pick up what I find in that price range...thanks though. How bad is clunking? I can't recall riding in a car with camber plates and hearing it..

2009-05-07, 01:04 PM	#28
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Cory and Kevin Run Tein Flex coilovers, as does Nick H on his LGT. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo. Last edited by cody; 2009-05-07 at 01:26 PM.

2009-05-07, 03:57 PM	#33
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Yah, I bet 3-10mm of spacers would be necessary given that width and offset. And don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person. It's creepy. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-05-07, 10:44 PM	#34
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	But it's funny when he blames Jesus for his blown motor, right? __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2009-05-08, 10:19 AM	#35
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Wat? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-05-08, 11:46 AM	#36
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Old Chris Rock reference, sort of. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2009-05-07, 01:01 PM	#27
WRX06TR EJ251 Real Name: Nick P Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Reno Posts: 881 Car: 2005 STi Class: MadtyteTunerBro! Back to the studio!	What do Cory and Kevin run? The D-specs should be able to handle pinks. RCE designed the yellow springs after the pinks but with a firmer spring rate. I haven't heard anything wrong about the D-specs, yet, but it does seem like a lot of work for a rigged up suspension, plus it is close to KW price.

2009-05-11, 08:44 AM	#37
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Hey, would you look at this: http://www.seccs.org/forums/showthre...952#post133952 __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-05-11, 09:25 AM	#38
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	What's the difference between Super Street and Flex? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2009-05-11, 11:18 AM	#39
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	If I recall correctly, SS doesn't come with top-mounts, (I.E. no pillowball mounts, no camber plates. You just re-use your stockers, or find some others.) and doesn't have as much fine tuning available for the dampeners, (16 way vs. 32 or something on the Flex's). I also think the SS kit does not have separate ride height and spring pre-load adjustment. Flex does. __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2009-05-12, 08:59 PM	#40
WRX06TR EJ251 Real Name: Nick P Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Reno Posts: 881 Car: 2005 STi Class: MadtyteTunerBro! Back to the studio!	Hey, so what do you think of these? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1759601 ZEAL B6 coilovers with 20k on them...Coming off Dan Avon's badass black GT35R bugeye. For $950?

2009-05-12, 10:15 PM	#44
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	First I've heard of Zeal Function products being "underengineered." Anything specific you can cite Dean? __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2009-05-12, 10:30 PM	#45
WRX06TR EJ251 Real Name: Nick P Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Reno Posts: 881 Car: 2005 STi Class: MadtyteTunerBro! Back to the studio!	Huh...I've been browsing NASIOC and haven't heard anything bad about ZEAL...I don't think the price is too bad. 950 doesn't seem too unfair plus I was going to offer him 850 and drive to Cali and go pick them up. And 20K; does that mean they will need to be rebuilt?

2009-05-12, 10:43 PM	#46
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Zeal makes decent stuff, but it's overpriced for what you get because it's so "mad tight JDM" like Cusco, Gready, HKS, etc. Personally, I'd rather have those used Tein Super Streets for a fair price (like $600 IMO) than Zeals. It's not like you're going to be racing in a JCTC grand prix any time soon in your WRX. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2009-05-12, 11:06 PM	#47
WRX06TR EJ251 Real Name: Nick P Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Reno Posts: 881 Car: 2005 STi Class: MadtyteTunerBro! Back to the studio!	Yeah...but Sedona has those Tein SS for sale for 900 IDK guess prices are hit and miss..

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