Mazda Announces: Mazda 6 MazdaSpeed - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

ArthurS · 2004-09-23, 09:57 AM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634742

Gawd Damn. I want one.

Nick Koan · 2004-09-23, 09:59 AM

Wow, so all the rumors (which many thought to be too wild for Mazda) are true. Damn, the LGT just got some good competition.

Now, hopefully this means that Subaru will give us a 6-speed in the LGT.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-23, 10:07 AM

Bah. It's a Mazda.

No offense to Debbie... :wink:

sperry · 2004-09-23, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Bah. It's a Mazda.

No offense to Debbie... :wink:

Just because you have a crap one from the years before Ford bailed 'em out, doesn't mean they're all junk. The new 6's, 3's, Miatas, and RX-8's are awesome cars!

Nick Koan · 2004-09-23, 10:09 AM

Wonder if their AWD system will be any good.

JC · 2004-09-23, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Bah. It's a Mazda.

No offense to Debbie... :wink:

Says the man with a Ford.

MikeSTI · 2004-09-23, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

Bah. It's a Mazda.

No offense to Debbie... :wink:

Says the man with a Ford.

dknv · 2004-09-23, 10:42 AM

omg, did they say turbo and AWD and Mazda in the same sentence?

STIwish · 2004-09-23, 11:47 AM

OOOOO!! Go Mazda! that makes me giddy to think about it, although I wish they'd have done it with the 3, but hey, its all good!

Kostamojen · 2004-09-23, 02:42 PM

Wow, direct injection, should be REAL good for tuning... But I dont like the Mazda 6 interior, I'm waiting more to see what the Mazdaspeed Mazda 3 will be like.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-23, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wow, direct injection, should be REAL good for tuning...

Any particular reason why? DI is good stuff and has far more efficient combustion, but I'm not seeing how tuning it would be all that different than manifold injection.

sperry · 2004-09-23, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wow, direct injection, should be REAL good for tuning...

Any particular reason why? DI is good stuff and has far more efficient combustion, but I'm not seeing how tuning it would be all that different than manifold injection.

It won't necessarily make tuning easier... but since it resists detonation so much more, you'll be able to take it that much further and get real power out of a motor that will last longer than 5 hours w/o a rebuild.

I guarentee this DI/turbo motor is a result of the World Challenge TC cars getting to use forced induction in 2005. Mazda has spent an assload of money on making the 3 competative in Speed TC. Hopefully w/ the new rules and use of the 6, Mazda street cars will start to resemble the TC cars performance-wise.

Nick Koan · 2004-09-23, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Hopefully w/ the new rules and use of the 6, Mazda street cars will start to resemble the TC cars performance-wise.

That'd be awesome. I wonder if Subaru is going to get into the TC w/ the new FI rules.

sperry · 2004-09-23, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Hopefully w/ the new rules and use of the 6, Mazda street cars will start to resemble the TC cars performance-wise.

That'd be awesome. I wonder if Subaru is going to get into the TC w/ the new FI rules.

Oh I'm sure the WRX will start turning up in TC.

Hey Matt... wanna convert my car to TC rules and race that?

...wait, I'm only half kidding. If I could afford the time away from work, I'd do it.

Kostamojen · 2004-09-23, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wow, direct injection, should be REAL good for tuning...

Any particular reason why? DI is good stuff and has far more efficient combustion, but I'm not seeing how tuning it would be all that different than manifold injection.

This is a JDM Impreza race car, with custom direct port fuel injection on an N/A 2.0l motor... Note the power numbers:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...93561442phDqZs

http://www.spomotorsports.com/PhotoG...D=#CustomerID#

Also take a look at the power numbers from other direct port motors. (I dont have any links for those...)

MattR · 2004-09-23, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Hey Matt... wanna convert my car to TC rules and race that?

...wait, I'm only half kidding. If I could afford the time away from work, I'd do it.

Don't tempt me...I'm seriously thinking of doing something insane in early 2005.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-23, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

This is a JDM Impreza race car, with custom direct port fuel injection on an N/A 2.0l motor... Note the power numbers:

Also take a look at the power numbers from other direct port motors. (I dont have any links for those...)

The power numbers are impressive, but that wasn't what I was asking; it sounded like you thought tuning a DI engine was somehow different than tuning a MPI engine, is that the case? If so, how is it different?

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-23, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Hey Matt... wanna convert my car to TC rules and race that?

...wait, I'm only half kidding. If I could afford the time away from work, I'd do it.

Unless you wanna be DFL every race, it takes way too much money to compete in World Challenge. You should go run with the guys in USTCC.

MattR · 2004-09-23, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by sperry

Hey Matt... wanna convert my car to TC rules and race that?

...wait, I'm only half kidding. If I could afford the time away from work, I'd do it.

Unless you wanna be DFL every race, it takes way too much money to compete in World Challenge. You should go run with the guys in USTCC.

That series is all but dead...

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-23, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR

That series is all but dead...

Really? There seemed to be quite a few of them buzzing around at Sears Point...

Kevin M · 2004-09-23, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

This is a JDM Impreza race car, with custom direct port fuel injection on an N/A 2.0l motor... Note the power numbers:

Also take a look at the power numbers from other direct port motors. (I dont have any links for those...)

The power numbers are impressive, but that wasn't what I was asking; it sounded like you thought tuning a DI engine was somehow different than tuning a MPI engine, is that the case? If so, how is it different?

DI opens up a whole new set of parameters for fuel tuning. With standard FI, you only determine the length of injector pulse. With DI, you determine timing, length, and sometimes even run multiple pulses in one combustion cycle. And the REALLY cool part is that it open the door to 500hp cars that get 45mpg on the way to the track.

Also, would a second, very small, very late fuel injector pulse be a better option for antilag, rather than severly retarded spark to ignite a larger mixture? It's not like you'll get knock in your uppipe...

Kostamojen · 2004-09-23, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

This is a JDM Impreza race car, with custom direct port fuel injection on an N/A 2.0l motor... Note the power numbers:

Also take a look at the power numbers from other direct port motors. (I dont have any links for those...)

The power numbers are impressive, but that wasn't what I was asking; it sounded like you thought tuning a DI engine was somehow different than tuning a MPI engine, is that the case? If so, how is it different?

DI opens up a whole new set of parameters for fuel tuning. With standard FI, you only determine the length of injector pulse. With DI, you determine timing, length, and sometimes even run multiple pulses in one combustion cycle. And the REALLY cool part is that it open the door to 500hp cars that get 45mpg on the way to the track.

Also, would a second, very small, very late fuel injector pulse be a better option for antilag, rather than severly retarded spark to ignite a larger mixture? It's not like you'll get knock in your uppipe...

Kevin beat me to it. With direct port fuel injection, you basically have TOTAL control of fuel injection electronically. With a skilled tuner, you could do whatever you want with it

AtomicLabMonkey · 2004-09-24, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

DI opens up a whole new set of parameters for fuel tuning. With standard FI, you only determine the length of injector pulse. With DI, you determine timing, length, and sometimes even run multiple pulses in one combustion cycle.

The multiple pulses on different strokes are pretty cool, that sounds like the one big difference. I totally agree that it's good stuff that will open the door to monster engines that still get good mileage, but it just seems like programming it wouldn't be a huge step from what we already have. Even in the Ford EEC-IV (1987 vintage) I can change injector pulsewidth and injector timing.

ArthurS · 2004-09-27, 05:21 PM

Mazda must know I like this car:

Got this email:

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ARTHUR,

Here it is. You're now among the first to feast your eyes on the new MAZDASPEED6. If you didn't see its World Debut at the Paris Motor Show on September 23, 2004, we thought you might like to take a look.

Look under the hood, and you'll find a 2.3L turbocharged and inter-cooled engine with leading-edge Direct-Injection technology. Look behind the 18" wheels and you'll discover Active Torque Split All-Wheel Drive. Look inside and you can just see yourself - your hand on the 6-speed manual gearshift, your face in a permanent grin.

Sign up today and we'll keep you updated with exciting new images and the latest information on the fast, sophisticated, and beautifully balanced MAZDASPEED6. Coming early Summer 2005!

Zoom - Zoom!

Eric K. Johnston
Director of Marketing
Mazda North American Operations

Nick Koan · 2004-09-27, 05:25 PM

Thats cool. Does this mean you get to go test drive it?

2004-09-23, 09:57 AM	#1
ArthurS EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,707 Car: 2011 Chevy Battle Wagon	Mazda Announces: Mazda 6 MazdaSpeed http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634742 Gawd Damn. I want one. __________________ Captain Murphy: I dub thee Sir Phobos, Knight of Mars, beater of ass. Be a hitter, babe.

2004-09-23, 09:59 AM	#2
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Wow, so all the rumors (which many thought to be too wild for Mazda) are true. Damn, the LGT just got some good competition. Now, hopefully this means that Subaru will give us a 6-speed in the LGT. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-09-23, 10:07 AM	#3
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Bah. It's a Mazda. No offense to Debbie... :wink: __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2004-09-23, 10:09 AM	#5
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Wonder if their AWD system will be any good. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2004-09-23, 11:47 AM	#9
STIwish EJ251 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 894	OOOOO!! Go Mazda! that makes me giddy to think about it, although I wish they'd have done it with the 3, but hey, its all good! __________________ STIwish

2004-09-23, 10:42 AM	#8
dknv EJ207 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 39n53, 119w90 Posts: 2,698 Car: RX-8 Class: CS maybe	omg, did they say turbo and AWD and Mazda in the same sentence?

2004-09-23, 02:42 PM	#10
Kostamojen EJ22 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 380	Wow, direct injection, should be REAL good for tuning... But I dont like the Mazda 6 interior, I'm waiting more to see what the Mazdaspeed Mazda 3 will be like. __________________ K-man

2004-09-27, 05:25 PM	#25
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Thats cool. Does this mean you get to go test drive it? __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

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