Accessport/Street tuner - Page 3 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

doubleurx · 2005-05-04, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

Eric got a special "Salt Lake" map from Cobb, that seems to be very strong at our altitude.

But... ECUTEK

"...........contains less salt is therefor much better"

Dean · 2005-05-04, 02:50 PM

And half the calories of a regular tune...

cody · 2005-07-24, 09:15 PM

Alright Boys, don't hate me, but I'm reviving this thread. Seems Cobb's Protuner supposedly has all the benefits of ECUTek and some advantages such as:

There are three main advantages of the ProTUNER/AccessPORT platform over an Ecutek reflash:
* The AccessPORT has the ability to store and seemlessly switch between multiple maps (street, high octane, valet mode, anti-theft, etc).

* ProTUNER's live tuning and integrated logging features facilitate the same precision tunes Ecutek reflashes are known for in a fraction of the time, saving the customer time and money.

* If you ever decide to sell your car or decide to go with a different engine management solution, it will be easy to sell the AccessPORT and recover part of your investment without having to swap ECU's and with no downtime.

So I was planning on going with ECUTek, but I'm looking for suggestions. Anybody know if Nate is doing Protunes yet?

sybir · 2005-07-24, 09:40 PM

We're not set up with ProTuner yet, though we're trying to figure it out with Cobb.

On point 1, true.
On point 2, it's going to be a hair more expensive than Ecutek becuase you have the initial hardware purchase, the tuning isn't going to be any meaningful account slower or faster, and you are talking a bit more time for multiple complex maps (IE, street gas, race gas, etc).

Being able to divorce the Protuner is a nice feature, no doubt.

For those wondering, the reason we're not running Protuner yet is that we're also working on the Ecutek user-tune/map switching solutions. While we want to support as many different customers as possible, there are many considerations around the different types of software. licensing agreements, etc. I'll keep you all posted on our plans, though.

MikeK · 2005-07-25, 09:58 AM

Gruppe-s has pro-tuner, they are taking appointments now.

cody · 2005-07-25, 10:12 AM

Dare I say it...Ed of Equinox Tuning just started as well.

Nick Koan · 2005-07-25, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody

Dare I say it...Ed of Equinox Tuning just started as well.

Equlibrium Tuning, but yeah, he's got the software. Road tunes ahoy!

Seriously though, I don't have anything against Ed, but I'd must sooner go to Gruppe-S then EQ for a tune. The old arguments of road tuning still apply, and I know he can tune on a dyno now, but it'll either be Gruppe-S's dyno or EIP's (I think) located in San Jose. Might as well just have Mike@Gruppe-S tune your car at that point.

cody · 2005-07-25, 10:30 AM

I know many think he's Ed's butt boy, but EJ20Legacy claims Ed's road dyno was only 1hp off of what a Mustang Dyno later showed. Take it for what it's worth.

Nick Koan · 2005-07-25, 10:31 AM

Its not the road dyno that concerns me, its the road tuning.

Ed himself was able to get about ~20hp more out of EJ20Legacy's car on a mustang dyno after some dyno tuning.

sybir · 2005-07-25, 11:20 AM

To echo other's sentiments, while I'm certainly trying to figure out a way to justify the Cobb stuff, I'd definitely recommend Mike in our absence (and keep in mind that Mike is our biggest competitor these days.) He's a good guy and takes care of his customers, too, in addition to being a licensed shop with insurance, etc.

Take that for what it's worth.

MattR · 2005-07-25, 12:20 PM

I heard an interesting story about something going down at gruppeS tomorrow...neato.

sperry · 2005-07-25, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattR

I heard an interesting story about something going down at gruppeS tomorrow...neato.

Is there gonna be a rumble!?!

doubleurx · 2005-07-25, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

Is there gonna be a rumble!?!

Hopin' curbs and bangin..................! well yo know.

LetItRev · 2005-07-25, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubleurx

Hopin' curbs and bangin..................! well yo know.

Are chains and knives going to be involved?

cody · 2005-07-25, 01:28 PM

Man, I guess I need to get on Iclub so I can figure out what the heck is going on again.

MattR · 2005-07-25, 04:22 PM

Hahaha...funny...

tysonK · 2005-07-25, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody

Man, I guess I need to get on Iclub so I can figure out what the heck is going on again.

cody · 2005-07-25, 08:22 PM

Did I make a joke?

Evo Mike · 2005-07-25, 08:33 PM

sigh.. another debate thread..

ecutek all teh way.. from what i have seen PERFORMANCE wise on wrx's... that means, seeing with my own two eyes..not just by word of mouth.. with the right tuner.. ecutek is the SH*T!

Evo Mike · 2005-07-25, 08:34 PM

oh yeah, and the ecutek also adjusts for altitude or "learns" as most of you already know..

tysonK · 2005-07-25, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody

Did I make a joke?

Yes.

In the past few months there have been a few threads about ecutek, cobb, road tuning(mainly road tuning) that have went crazy with accusations, shit talking, tech-shit talking, e-thugging, other stuff.

Anyway it would be a pretty tough move to sort through all that crap.

MikeK · 2005-07-25, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo Mike

oh yeah, and the ecutek also adjusts for altitude or "learns" as most of you already know..

ECUtek and accessport maps both change the data tables in the ECU. The ECU software then uses these values to adjust boost,timing,fuel etc. It is the ecu software adjusting for ambient air conditions, so ECUtek and accessport behave identically with respect to ECU learning.

sybir · 2005-07-27, 11:14 AM

Better late than never.............we are rolling with Protuner, guys. Mike, I'm sorry for the delay, and totally understand you going to Mike; but we'll also be happy to support you in the future.

More details to come, Scott's working on the info now, but we can tune your existing AP with protuner for $195/hour, same as Gruppe S and FLI, or we can get you a new AP and provide a discount on the initial tune.....

I'll get something more official up in our forum shortly, but feel free to PM me with any questions and I'll get back to you as soon as I can

cody · 2005-07-27, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeK

ECUtek and accessport maps both change the data tables in the ECU. The ECU software then uses these values to adjust boost,timing,fuel etc. It is the ecu software adjusting for ambient air conditions, so ECUtek and accessport behave identically with respect to ECU learning.

That's what I thought. It's the Piggybacks like Utec that need a map for different environmental variables I think.

That's great news Sybir.

sti deede · 2005-07-27, 12:32 PM

sweet news.

2005-05-04, 02:50 PM	#52
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	And half the calories of a regular tune... __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2005-07-24, 09:15 PM	#53
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Alright Boys, don't hate me, but I'm reviving this thread. Seems Cobb's Protuner supposedly has all the benefits of ECUTek and some advantages such as: There are three main advantages of the ProTUNER/AccessPORT platform over an Ecutek reflash: * The AccessPORT has the ability to store and seemlessly switch between multiple maps (street, high octane, valet mode, anti-theft, etc). * ProTUNER's live tuning and integrated logging features facilitate the same precision tunes Ecutek reflashes are known for in a fraction of the time, saving the customer time and money. * If you ever decide to sell your car or decide to go with a different engine management solution, it will be easy to sell the AccessPORT and recover part of your investment without having to swap ECU's and with no downtime. So I was planning on going with ECUTek, but I'm looking for suggestions. Anybody know if Nate is doing Protunes yet? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-07-24, 09:40 PM	#54
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	We're not set up with ProTuner yet, though we're trying to figure it out with Cobb. On point 1, true. On point 2, it's going to be a hair more expensive than Ecutek becuase you have the initial hardware purchase, the tuning isn't going to be any meaningful account slower or faster, and you are talking a bit more time for multiple complex maps (IE, street gas, race gas, etc). Being able to divorce the Protuner is a nice feature, no doubt. For those wondering, the reason we're not running Protuner yet is that we're also working on the Ecutek user-tune/map switching solutions. While we want to support as many different customers as possible, there are many considerations around the different types of software. licensing agreements, etc. I'll keep you all posted on our plans, though. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2005-07-25, 10:12 AM	#56
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Dare I say it...Ed of Equinox Tuning just started as well. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-07-25, 10:30 AM	#58
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I know many think he's Ed's butt boy, but EJ20Legacy claims Ed's road dyno was only 1hp off of what a Mustang Dyno later showed. Take it for what it's worth. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-07-25, 09:58 AM	#55
MikeK Captain Turbo Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reno Posts: 3,318 Car: 05 STi	Gruppe-s has pro-tuner, they are taking appointments now.

2005-07-25, 10:31 AM	#59
Nick Koan JDM Cowboy Real Name: Nick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,642 Car: 2015 Mazda 3	Its not the road dyno that concerns me, its the road tuning. Ed himself was able to get about ~20hp more out of EJ20Legacy's car on a mustang dyno after some dyno tuning. __________________ While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient. -- CNN

2005-07-25, 11:20 AM	#60
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	To echo other's sentiments, while I'm certainly trying to figure out a way to justify the Cobb stuff, I'd definitely recommend Mike in our absence (and keep in mind that Mike is our biggest competitor these days.) He's a good guy and takes care of his customers, too, in addition to being a licensed shop with insurance, etc. Take that for what it's worth. __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2005-07-25, 12:20 PM	#61
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	I heard an interesting story about something going down at gruppeS tomorrow...neato. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-07-25, 01:28 PM	#65
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Man, I guess I need to get on Iclub so I can figure out what the heck is going on again. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-07-25, 04:22 PM	#66
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Hahaha...funny... __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-07-25, 08:22 PM	#68
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Did I make a joke? __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-07-25, 08:33 PM	#69
Evo Mike EJ251 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 513	sigh.. another debate thread.. ecutek all teh way.. from what i have seen PERFORMANCE wise on wrx's... that means, seeing with my own two eyes..not just by word of mouth.. with the right tuner.. ecutek is the SH*T! __________________ I Can't Believe My Friends.... Drive WRX's....

2005-07-25, 08:34 PM	#70
Evo Mike EJ251 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 513	oh yeah, and the ecutek also adjusts for altitude or "learns" as most of you already know.. __________________ I Can't Believe My Friends.... Drive WRX's....

2005-07-27, 11:14 AM	#73
sybir The Don Real Name: Aaron Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,097 Car: '97 Legacy / '05 FXT Class: low	Better late than never.............we are rolling with Protuner, guys. Mike, I'm sorry for the delay, and totally understand you going to Mike; but we'll also be happy to support you in the future. More details to come, Scott's working on the info now, but we can tune your existing AP with protuner for $195/hour, same as Gruppe S and FLI, or we can get you a new AP and provide a discount on the initial tune..... I'll get something more official up in our forum shortly, but feel free to PM me with any questions and I'll get back to you as soon as I can __________________ Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

2005-07-27, 12:32 PM	#75
sti deede EJ205 Real Name: Deede Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,789 Car: '96 4runner Class: none.	sweet news.

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