WTB: 04 wrx headlight Passenger side

[cody]

Originally Posted by sperry

Wait, you intentionally e-thugged the dude into refunding your money and then didn't send back the item immediately?

That's worse than sending the incorrect part in the first place! WTF man?

Payback's a bitch.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

Payback's a bitch.

Payback for what? Accidentally sending the wrong gear ratio to someone who doesn't notify you about it for over 45 days?

What if you sold someone something, then months later after the transactions been complete they start chasing you around the internet looking for a refund telling you that the part they've had for a long time is the wrong part? Would you believe them?

Frankly, if I were to sell something and they didn't contact me at most a day or two after receiving it that it's the wrong part, I'd tell them to pound sand. Granted, I wouldn't try to sell something to someone without being very explicit about what I'm selling (for example, I'd definitely be sure of the ratio on a set of gears or whatever), but if the buyer perhaps didn't know what they were buying they better get in touch with me immediately to return the part and get a refund. After a few days, it's their own damn fault for buying the wrong part.

[cody]

Originally Posted by sperry

Payback for what? Accidentally sending the wrong gear ratio to someone who doesn't notify you about it for over 45 days?

What if you sold someone something, then months later after the transactions been complete they start chasing you around the internet looking for a refund telling you that the part they've had for a long time is the wrong part? Would you believe them?

Frankly, if I were to sell something and they didn't contact me at most a day or two after receiving it that it's the wrong part, I'd tell them to pound sand. Granted, I wouldn't try to sell something to someone without being very explicit about what I'm selling (for example, I'd definitely be sure of the ratio on a set of gears or whatever), but if the buyer perhaps didn't know what they were buying they better get in touch with me immediately to return the part and get a refund. After a few days, it's their own damn fault for buying the wrong part.

No, payback for becoming unresponsive after promising to resend the correct part (admitting fault). Sending the incorrect part, initially, sounds like it could be an honest mistake. Saying you'll have to look in your garage for the correct part and then becoming unresponsive = understandable aggravation.

[cody]

...also, note the bold part before you make Alex out to be such a bad person for not sending back the gear immediately.

Originally Posted by A1337STI

I had an issue with a gear i bought from someone on nasioc (jay storms) gear was the wrong ratio and he kept telling me he was looking through his garage. (i think he was) but as time passed he stopped being responsive to Pms on nasioc. i tried to start a dispute with pay pal but i was past the cut off time. think i did a direct bank transfer for pay pal so i didn't have the visa charge back (nuclear option) on the table.

but i ended up E-thuging him on nasioc (posting in all of his current threads, asking about a refund, or at least to be contacted) and he actually refunded my money .

I felt a bit bad, but i was going weeks with out any response , when you can clearly see him logging in and posting every day, figured he was trying to ignore me until i went away. but $115 for the wrong gear is lame.

i still need to mail him back the gear but he was pretty pissed and didn't care either way, and i have to get the gear from toms...

anywho , you're dead on filing a dispute 24 hours later!

[sperry]

Originally Posted by cody

Saying you'll have to look in your garage for the correct part and then becoming unresponsive = understandable aggravation.

...also, note the bold part before you make Alex out to be such a bad person for not sending back the gear immediately.

Neither of those things absolve Alex from his responsibility to follow through with promptly sending back the item he was refunded for. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

If Alex is going to harangue the guy then not send back the item, not only is he just as bad as the seller for the delay itself, he's also a hypocrite for making a stink about it.

Granted, I don't really know the details of how this went down, but from what I've heard so far, I wouldn't do business with either Alex or the other dude.

[cody]

Originally Posted by sperry

Neither of those things absolve Alex from his responsibility to follow through with promptly sending back the item he was refunded for. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

If Alex is going to harangue the guy then not send back the item, not only is he just as bad as the seller for the delay itself, he's also a hypocrite for making a stink about it.

Granted, I don't really know the details of how this went down, but from what I've heard so far, I wouldn't do business with either Alex or the other dude.

When somebody says, "Payback's a bitch", they generally are indicating that two wrongs DO make a right in that instance (RE: retribution).

While I agree that it's "wrong" for Alex to not send back the gear promptly if the guy asked nicely for him to do so, I can only go by what Alex wrote, which is that the guy was pissed [about getting e-thugged into submission] and doesn't even care about getting the stupid gear back.

[k-dogg39]

I am sure you may have already seen it, but there is a set on the reno craigslist right now...

http://reno.craigslist.org/pts/2512265990.html

[sperry]

Originally Posted by k-dogg39

I am sure you may have already seen it, but there is a set on the reno craigslist right now...

http://reno.craigslist.org/pts/2512265990.html

"Call or text Alex"

[k-dogg39]

Originally Posted by sperry

"Call or text Alex"

That was part of the reason I posted it.

[100_Percent_Juice]

Alex wants a headlight now too!?

[A1337STI]

Long story short, he told me i didn't have to send him the gears back, but i could if i wanted to.


Short story long:
I contacted him and told him i was only interested if it was a .825 5th gear. i have multiple .780 5th gears and didn't need a 3rd back up. he assured me it was the .825 , that he also found that cool gear and put it together.

confusing bit , "for my autocross build" .. which made me think "better 5th gear, for AutoX?"

but anywho i went ahead, felt i over paid, but it was a hard gear to find.
part shows up i deliver it to tom, who then tells me "looks exactly like your last gear" i took a picture and sent it the seller Jay. he followed up with "oops sorry , but lmk if you are Certain its wrong, but i'll check my garage"
over the next .. 90 days + (because i was out of the pay pal dispute, and visa charge back window) we PM back and forth . basically him saying he will look, and after a few weeks i Pmed him for a status update. i wasn't in too much of a hurry because the rally season hadn't started.


But as time went on, he was taking longer and longer to respond.

1 week with out reply
2 weeks with out reply
3 weeks with out reply, click on his "posts made by this user" and you see he has posted every day, during the 3 weeks with no reply to me, so i sent him an other PM (maybe he missed it) nothing, sent 1 more, nothing

OK he's knowingly or unknowingly strung me along during the entire 90 day charge back period, then shortly after wont' reply for multiple weeks.

so then i went into E-thug mode. WTF do i have to lose? internet reputation on nasioc? what do i have to gain? the correct 5th gear, or a full refund?

So i did it. I felt bad, but fully justified. you may not agree, but i don't really give a shit. I made every possible effort to let him correct the issue. he did not sell me what was advertised.

and i do plan on sending him back the correct 5th gear, i just haven't been back over to Toms many times since the refund , and so i' get around to it. i figure he strung me along almost 4 months. if he waits 2 months to get the gear back (after saying he's okay with me keeping it) I don't see an issue with that.

first contact was january, i told him it was the wrong gear early march. After my first initial telling him the gear was wrong, several months went by .. lol oh wellz

[A1337STI]

Originally Posted by sperry

"Call or text Alex"

that is pretty funny... not me , i'm 05 STI ... but i do have an extra head light of my own i could sell... but meh .. i'll just hold on to it

[sperry]

I didn't really have the problem with the e-thugging so much as the not-sending-the-gear-back-right-after-the-refund part. If you're going to have to harp on someone to get them to square up with you, you shouldn't also be a slacker when it comes to sending the part back. That's all.

The long-version doesn't sound nearly so bad... but you were lucky the guy would even talk to you in March. If I sold something in Jan, and Feb rolls around... that buyer owns the part.

[100_Percent_Juice]

I got a partial refund because I didn't feel like screwing him on the money he paid for shipping. Turns out that the kid is not really a scammer but more of a bonehead who doesn't care about accuracy or truth in his listings. I ended up using the headlight and its totally fine.