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doubleurx · 2005-11-10, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ezdno

Well this Dean, the EZ one, is 41.

Great I'm 40 you old man!

sperry · 2005-11-10, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JonnydaJibba

Oh my...boosting to 30? Whaaa? He's gonna replace the tranny I hope. That is crazy cool.

Unless he drives the car like an idiot, I think the 6MT can take it. Hell, if the 6MT can't take it, what tranny do you swap in there?

AtomicLabMonkey · 2005-11-10, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Unless he drives the car like an idiot, I think the 6MT can take it. Hell, if the 6MT can't take it, what tranny do you swap in there?

JonnydaJibba · 2005-11-10, 09:43 AM

^^^oh my

doubleurx · 2005-11-10, 09:44 AM

Every tranny will have it's limits.
I haven't seen a street STI with numbers that high. I just wonder how much it really can take.

sperry · 2005-11-10, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by doubleurx

Every tranny will have it's limits.
I haven't seen a street STI with numbers that high. I just wonder how much it really can take.

My point was, even if the 6MT can't take it... what are your options? The 6MT is about as strong as they come, unless you want to take Austin's suggestion and convert your STI to a RWD car w/ a NASCAR spec 4-speed.

MattR · 2005-11-10, 11:00 AM

Good call on the Jerico there Austin...

"The tranny that lets Nascar drivers run road courses"

JC · 2005-11-10, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

My point was, even if the 6MT can't take it... what are your options? The 6MT is about as strong as they come, unless you want to take Austin's suggestion and convert your STI to a RWD car w/ a NASCAR spec 4-speed.

dog box

MattR · 2005-11-10, 11:02 AM

4EAT

LetItRev · 2005-11-10, 11:50 AM

Bunch of old farts!

sperry · 2005-11-10, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

dog box

I don't know that a 5-speed crash-box is really all that much stronger than the 6MT... unless you're talking about replacing the gears in a 6MT w/ straight-cut gears and the synchros w/ dog teeth... but I don't think anyone's even making those!

JC · 2005-11-10, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperry

unless you're talking about replacing the gears in a 6MT w/ straight-cut gears and the synchros w/ dog teeth... but I don't think anyone's even making those!

That's because no one is breaking them. If you start seeing a demand, then someone will.

MattR · 2005-11-10, 03:06 PM

Now, themz some crazy ass ATL peeps

MattR · 2005-11-10, 03:07 PM

cody · 2005-11-10, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FireguyRick,Nov 4 2005, 09:41 PM

You have anything like a longer 1st and 2nd gear for a USDM STi 6 speed? I really believe that I would enjoy not having to shift to 3rd gear to hit 60mph. What else might you suggest for me drivelinewise?

Rick

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Originally Posted by Andrewtech,Nov 5 2005, 08:39 AM

Unfortunately, the only option I have available for the six speed at present is dog engagement. On the drag/dog 1-4 set we take the stock 1-5 ratios and cram them into the first four dog gears. This makes you not have to go into 5th at the end of a quarter mile run by extending the time your in the first four gears. You would then have stock 5th and 6th for highway use. This set goes for about $4900us.
Andrew
www.gearboxtech.com

These quotes are from www.wrxfanatics.com.
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=38376

JC · 2005-11-11, 05:49 AM

I stand corrected.

sperry · 2005-11-11, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

These quotes are from www.wrxfanatics.com.
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php?showtopic=38376

But what does a dog engagement really gain you strength-wise? I guess it keeps you from breaking a synchro, but unless that kit includes straight cut, beefier gears, the gearbox isn't going to hold more power, it's only gonna shift faster/harder.

Edit: I guess those "stock 1-5 ratios" are the gears from their 5-speed straight tooth gearset?

cody · 2005-11-11, 08:52 AM

I assume dog engagement included straight cut gears. For $4900, it should.

The fact that the ratios are changed is a dead giveaway that the gears are replaced. Could you even have dog engagement with helically cut gears?

Edit: just saw your edit.

I don't know any specifics about this set, but I'm going to assume that the straight cut PPG gears are stronger than the stockers. They are really nice gears from the reviews I've read.

sperry · 2005-11-11, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

I assume dog engagement included straight cut gears. For $4900, it should.

The fact that the ratios are changed is a dead giveaway that the gears are replaced. Could you even have dog engagement with helically cut gears?

Edit: just saw your edit.

I don't know any specifics about this set, but I'm going to assume that the straight cut PPG gears are stronger than the stockers. They are really nice gears from the reviews I've read.

PPG are pretty popular w/ the drag crowd, so I assume their gearsets work well. Also, I believe they sell both straight and helical gears, dog engagment doesn't reqire one or the other...

Straight gears hold more power and avoid the thrust issues associated with helicals, but they make an assload of noise... you know that "whine" in reverse... imagine if all your gears did that! But, the dog teeth are in the side of the gears, so it doesn't matter what the tooth profile is.

cody · 2005-11-11, 09:04 AM

Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

sperry · 2005-11-11, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

The purple ring has the dog teeth on it, and it engages in the side of the gears. The actual gears can be cut any-which-way, since they're always meshed.

Very good description, including how synchros work, here: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

cody · 2005-11-11, 09:30 AM

I see said the blind man.

Nick Koan · 2005-11-11, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears.

Yeah, dog engagement has nothing to do with how the gears are cut. Its just common that a lot of boxes with dog engagement also have straight cut gears.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission3.htm

What makes something have dog engagement box is how the purple gear above engages with the blue gears. The straight cut, or helical part of the gear box is how the blue gears engage with the red gears.

I barely have an understanding myself, but click through there a little bit. Its a pretty good tutorial for a basic understanding.

EDIT: Hah, I didn't realize Scott posted the same link too. We were just talking about it like 5 minutes ago too

cody · 2005-11-11, 09:44 AM

Yah, howstuffworks is the shit.

I posed the question to Andrew in the abovementioned thread as to what type of gears the replacement set consists of and how much strength (if any) would be added.

I'm just curious.

JC · 2005-11-11, 09:52 AM

He already answered man, they are straight cut. Their website says you have a choice.

2005-11-10, 11:00 AM	#32
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Good call on the Jerico there Austin... "The tranny that lets Nascar drivers run road courses" __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-11-10, 11:02 AM	#34
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	4EAT __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-11-10, 03:06 PM	#38
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Now, themz some crazy ass ATL peeps __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-11-10, 03:07 PM	#39
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	__________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2005-11-11, 05:49 AM	#41
JC Ask me about dubs! Real Name: JC Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 2,895 Car: 2013 Triumph Speed Triple R	I stand corrected. __________________ Actually, I am a rocket scientist.

2005-11-10, 09:43 AM	#29
JonnydaJibba EJ207 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Reno/Sparks, Nevada Posts: 3,482 Car: 2000 2.5RS Class: RestNPeace Master Slurper.	^^^oh my

2005-11-10, 09:44 AM	#30
doubleurx EJ205 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Truckee Posts: 1,948	Every tranny will have it's limits. I haven't seen a street STI with numbers that high. I just wonder how much it really can take.

2005-11-10, 11:50 AM	#35
LetItRev R.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 501 Car: 2004 WRX	Bunch of old farts!

2005-11-11, 08:52 AM	#43
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I assume dog engagement included straight cut gears. For $4900, it should. The fact that the ratios are changed is a dead giveaway that the gears are replaced. Could you even have dog engagement with helically cut gears? Edit: just saw your edit. I don't know any specifics about this set, but I'm going to assume that the straight cut PPG gears are stronger than the stockers. They are really nice gears from the reviews I've read. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo. Last edited by cody; 2005-11-11 at 08:55 AM.

2005-11-11, 09:04 AM	#45
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Huh, I didn't realize you could have dog engagement on helically cut gears. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-11-11, 09:30 AM	#47
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I see said the blind man. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-11-11, 09:44 AM	#49
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	Yah, howstuffworks is the shit. I posed the question to Andrew in the abovementioned thread as to what type of gears the replacement set consists of and how much strength (if any) would be added. I'm just curious. __________________ Slow and low, that is the tempo.

2005-11-11, 09:52 AM	#50
JC Ask me about dubs! Real Name: JC Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 2,895 Car: 2013 Triumph Speed Triple R	He already answered man, they are straight cut. Their website says you have a choice. __________________ Actually, I am a rocket scientist.

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