Front Swaybar - Page 2 - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

NevadaSTi · 2007-05-09, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Danger

And it was a bitch to take it off, and put it back on. Trust me I know from experience.

Why did you guys take it off?

MPREZIV · 2007-05-09, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

Why did you guys take it off?

Lowering springs... The HUGE swaybar wouldn't allow enough droop in the front suspension to remove the strut.

sperry · 2007-05-09, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Lowering springs... The HUGE swaybar wouldn't allow enough droop in the front suspension to remove the strut.

Um.. just disconnect the endlinks? Why did you have to take off the whole bar?

Forgotten · 2007-05-09, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sperry

Um.. just disconnect the endlinks? Why did you have to take off the whole bar?

That's all they did. The endlinks wouldn't come back together after being taken apart.

MPREZIV · 2007-05-09, 11:53 AM

Yeah, only the endlinks were disconnected, not the entire bar removed. It just requires a LOT of compression to get the endlink bolts back in, even with the car's weight on the LCAs. That bar is BIG...

JonnydaJibba · 2007-05-09, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

That bar is BIG...

That's what she said.

*srry couldn't help mahself!

sperry · 2007-05-09, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Yeah, only the endlinks were disconnected, not the entire bar removed. It just requires a LOT of compression to get the endlink bolts back in, even with the car's weight on the LCAs. That bar is BIG...

That's not right! With the car level, with its weight on the wheels, there should be zero load on the swaybar... If that's not the case, something's screwed up, like the endlinks aren't the right length or something.

NevadaSTi · 2007-05-09, 12:56 PM

It makes me wonder, if when we first put that thing on there. Did we tighten up the endlink bolts too much?

AtomicLabMonkey · 2007-05-09, 01:02 PM

I'm still waiting to hear why someone would want to put a 36mm FSB on a Mustang.

NevadaSTi · 2007-05-09, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicLabMonkey

I'm still waiting to hear why someone would want to put a 36mm FSB on a Mustang.

That was a joke, I think the damn thing already has a big FSB on it. Like 1-1/4" or something like that.

Concerning the 32mm FSB. This is a direct quote from Sam Stranos concerning his swaybar design as taken from NASIOC.

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There is practically no slop in a properly
tightened urethane endlink. Properly being when the bushings have a
slight bulge in them, not hammered flat and not loose enough to be turned
by hand.

If you are worried about any play, you can tighten the links up further
and basically "pre-compress" the bushings even more. However the
result of this is a very sudden car that has a tendency to skate on turn it
because you are bringing a big bar in very quickly and give the tires
no time to deal with the change in load. Basically you can shock the
outside tire into a loss of grip which results in a slide."

sperry · 2007-05-09, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

Concerning the 32mm FSB. This is a direct quote from Sam Stranos concerning his swaybar design as taken from NASIOC.

Yeah, there's no slop in the bushings when everything's *tightened*, but you shouldn't have to bend the sway bar to get the endlinks to line up during installation. If the car is level and at normal ride height, the endlink bolts should just slide right into the bar... no fuss, no pre-load, etc.

If that's not the case, then your sway bar is adding spring rate to the front suspension when it's just sitting there, and that's no good. Swaybars are only supposed to act when the car rolls.

Pre-loading the bushings allows you to modify the bar-effect delay during turn-in, but that has nothing to do with pre-loading the bar itself.

MPREZIV · 2007-05-09, 03:19 PM

Hmm... what you say makes sense of course, all I know is it was put in per the instructions, and still a motherfucker... Maybe those bolts aren't long enough...

Bob Danger · 2007-05-09, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MPREZIV

aren't long enough...

bxracer69 · 2007-05-10, 09:02 AM

I dont think those bolts are long enough, I had to put the cars stock crap jack under the bolt and jack it up so it compressed the bushings enough to where i could thread the nut on to the bolt, I think that bolt just needs to be 1/8'' longer, that way it would make install that much easier, plus you would still be able to tighten the bolt down the same.

2007-05-09, 11:53 AM	#30
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Yeah, only the endlinks were disconnected, not the entire bar removed. It just requires a LOT of compression to get the endlink bolts back in, even with the car's weight on the LCAs. That bar is BIG... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2007-05-09, 12:56 PM	#33
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	It makes me wonder, if when we first put that thing on there. Did we tighten up the endlink bolts too much? __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2007-05-09, 01:02 PM	#34
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	I'm still waiting to hear why someone would want to put a 36mm FSB on a Mustang. __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2007-05-09, 03:19 PM	#37
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Hmm... what you say makes sense of course, all I know is it was put in per the instructions, and still a motherfucker... Maybe those bolts aren't long enough... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2007-05-10, 09:02 AM	#39
bxracer69 EJ22 Real Name: Nick Langkamp Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On the Road Posts: 384 Car: 2003 Mitsubishi Evo8 Class: SM Snowboarding....Because gravity is cheaper than gas	I dont think those bolts are long enough, I had to put the cars stock crap jack under the bolt and jack it up so it compressed the bushings enough to where i could thread the nut on to the bolt, I think that bolt just needs to be 1/8'' longer, that way it would make install that much easier, plus you would still be able to tighten the bolt down the same. __________________ My better is better than your best. My fast smells like french toast. www.langkampracing.com

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